/lit/ - Literature

Dis Heidegger or Sartre have introductory books to read before they wrote their books?

Then why do you need them?

>>3780318
they quote other philosophers like husserl and they almost assume that you know about their theories. I just want to read Heidegger and Sartre

>>3780337
lol Sartre is babby
Heidegger is just dense to read, pick up a routledge guide or something

>study aristotle for 15 years before you read anything else.

Found this one while searching for some Dostoyevsky

>>3780312

"A friendship between a 26 year-old black gay man with HIV and two straight white teenage brothers leads to a summer vacation in Cancun, Mexico, that will change their lives forerver. Inspired by a true story. A Lambda Literary Award finalist."

>>3780312
you have to tell me now OP. Does the black man seduce the straight boys? Do they sleep together and get the HIV? I'm curious.

>>3780338


I actually don't remember how I found it. It popped into my head and I thought it would make a decent thread.

>>3780312
A world dictator who calls himself "the Chosen One" forces all his citizens to have implanted a switch which was invented by Hitler for the purpose of facilitating genocide and euthanasia. He claims to have more benign purposes than Hitler, but some people,including the book's narrator aren't buying. This story ends on a positive note as the story's main character overcomes depression and suicidal urges to find a purpose in life. However, the book's underground publisher issues a somber warning to the reader and to all who dare possess this book. Like George Orwell's novel 1984, this book is meant, at least in part, as a condemnation of totalitarianism, regardless of the ideology. However,this novel does reflect the author's personal disenchantment with capitalism. NOTE: THIS BOOK IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR MINORS DUE TO ITS SENSITIVE CONTENT.

i don't think you understand the purpose of a "canon," so i can see why you would be confused

Okay i'm confused
are you questioning why a book, or a series of books, set in a fictional universe would follow the rules of that fictional universe as described in the book?

>>3780308
I wanna reply just because you used Karl Pilkington.
The point of canon is the same reason you have any canon.

I think that I really want to finish it.
We should have a board for the mentally ill. We have /lgbt/ already. I feel discriminated against.

bump

ANY ONE???
NO?

Film? Like stagnant pond scum or the cornea of the eye?

>>3780346
that's funny

>>3780267
We've had a few threads before. I'd check an archive. I haven't read any books about film but I do have Masters & Masterpieces of Iranian Cinema and Dreams of A Nation: On Palestinian Cinema (both by Hamid Dabashi) as well as War, Politics and Superheroes: Ethics and Propaganda in Comics and Film by Marc Di Paolo on my to-read list.

I'm pretty level entry here, but I like this place.
That said, who're some authors that really throw themselves on the page (not no Hemmingway) but just lash out with everything they've got in them?

Authors who you can really feel when you read their books.

>>3780326
That... That goes against everything I believe in.

>>3780330
David Foster Wallace.
I await insults.

>>3780334

>>3780334

>>3780258
did I ever have a choice? Or were my actions determined :D

Generally, outside some more of the more difficult texts you can start anywhere with philosophy.

I had lecturers who said they begun with Nietzsche or Wittgenstein or Foucault or Aristotle or Descartes. Just start somewhere and go from there, if they make reference to other works then maybe read those ones after.

For someone starting in philosophy your choices make sense and are common. Shouldn't have any troubles.

If you're going to be doing it without help, try starting with political philosophy. Machiavelli, Locke, Strauss. Perhaps from there try ethical philosophy, then aesthetics and metaphysics and shit.
I can't imagine trying, say, Aristotle without the context of a classroom. Too often philosophers -- especially the early ones -- are read too quickly and grouped into a historical context instead of carefully untangled like the material calls for.

I think you are having difficulty understanding those books because they are written backwards and it must be difficult to read them with a mirror

>>3780265
It is the process of "untangling" I love most about reading, and I will read philosophy with patience.

Thanks for your advice though. I thought Aristotle was a good jumping off point though, no?

Buy the latest edition of Writer's Market, get a subscription to Duotrope.
All questions will be answered.
Good luck!
I bet it sucks

Thank you my man. Also, initial feedback from strangers ive given it too have all been great. So fingers crossed.

Send it to everyone, like as many companies as you can afford to mail it too

>>3780235
While you're in the bookstore, also consider reading the feature sections of past editions of Writer's Market. You only need they one, but they all have interesting tidbits on writing better cover letters.

Made my day, probably i was going to do it today. Thanks for recording, Anonymous angel.

>>3780198
I thoroughly enjoy Chekhov's short stories. I have his plays but have yet to read them. The 3 or so books by Stanislavski look like interesting reads.
skimming through 'From under the rubble' at the moment. "the point is not that we should cease to strive for a better social order, but that the truth about this order is one of those truths that cannot be grasped by reason, but can only be learned by living and acting , and are accessible only to a consciousness that is already enlightened."

>>3780243
"an indisputable classic of Russian literature"

>>3780263
Stanislavski will seems like three books on common sense until you understand that up until the time of his writing, acting did not have any sense of realism up until that point. So the Stanislavski method, along with Chekhov's plays and also to an extent Ibsen's more realistic works all combine to make the birth of modern, realistic drama.

There are loads of anecdotes of actors before Stanislavski caught on about them performing either over the top comedic or horribly melodramatic. I really wish I could go back in time and see how theatre was performed before Stanislavski.

>>3780284
"Stanislavski's multivariant, holistic and psychophysical approach, which explores character and action both from the 'inside out' and the 'outside in'
Explain pls

>>3780254
seconded

All literature is escapism.

Mark Renton & Co trilogy really hit the spot.

>>3780100
>wets yer favoruite food
>all food le food heheehertrrr

>>>>>//

I don't really like escapist books. I like my literature to make me less comfortable, less at ease with the world around me. I want to look up from the last page and feel totally out of place in the world that I left. I want to lose sleep thinking about it.

Which is not to say that escapist writing is necessarily bad, since everybody escapes somehow. It's just not how I do it.

>>3780064
When you talk to your friends is it purely to extract information from them?

maybe they would boost your creativity or maybe they would hinder it. who knows? here are thoughts.


there are great classics out there for a reason. not everyone likes any one of them at the same time. if you think it's a waste of time to listen to someone else's "inner thoughts" then you're probably too dense to appreciate it anyways. seriously out of the many great minds that have existed this is what you have to say. i suggest you stick to your design books if that's what you enjoy. i think literature is a lot of things. it's a healing art. it's a tool to share an experience that is otherwise inexpressible like a good painting or song. it's a lot of things. but it's worth zero if you don't think it's worthwhile. because your experience with art is yours alone. you can get value out of sharing these experiences with others, and even learn things from it, but if it's not there for you then move on to something else.

>Is this stupid?
Somewhat stupid.

Read some Kant and Deleuze, and "figure out" the ins-and-outs of 'creativity', or, in other words, the spontaneity behind the faculties of your mind, and you'll be twice as creative; and get into philosophy in general -- it will make a hell of a difference not only in your work, but in your thinking and perception of the world as well.

what are some good books about graphic design and that stuff OP?

>>3780064
>Would they boost my creativity?
I have no clue. I would think that they would at least enhance your life in a positive manner, but fuck if I know. Do you do anything for fun or is your life deticated to being a desgining ūbermensch.
Also,
>art, advertising, marketing, communication and branding
>I think I'd waste my time on the inner world/thoughts of somebody else
I don't even...

>>3780119
Did you do that translation yourself? I had a very hard time looking for it
Juan Rulfo "El llano en llamas" page 96 CÁTEDRA Editorial:

Y cuando al fin volvieron la tropas, se soltaron matándonos otra vez como antes, aunque no con la misma facilidad. Ahora se veía a legua que nos tenían miedo.
Pero nosotros también les teníamos miedo. Era de verse como se nos atoraban los güevos en el pescuezo con sólo oír el ruido que hacían sus guarniciones o las pezuñas de sus caballos al golpear las piedras de algún camino, donde estabamos esperando para tenderles una emboscada. Al verlos pasar, casi sentíamos que nos miraban de reojo y como diciendo: "ya los ventaneamos, namás nos estamos haciendo disimulados"

Your translation is changing the sense of all the passage. You omitted the phrase that mentions they are waiting to ambush the federals. The first passage doesn't talk about how the federal troops were walking, it talks about them killing the bandits finding more resistence. The apple is not an apple but their balls, as in the balls shrinking into their body so far inside that they reach their throat (such was the fear).
As I mentioned. You chose a passage about an ambush when it makes complete sense to extend and create tension and he seems to do it pretty well. Maybe you just don't like the kind of tales. I'm genuinely curious about your translation though. You mutilated the text. Almost as if it was from another book. Can you provide a fragment of Pacheco that belongs to a similar situation to that of Rulfo's text (just so tht the judgement is fair)

>>3780049
What would you recommend to someone who enjoyed Borges,Bolano and Rulfo? I'm looking for contemporary spanish literature but works from the early 20th century should be fine. The only title I could find translated in my language from Pacheco is '' Battles in the Dessert'' (or something like that). Should I get it?

Pocho here. Where would be a good place to start?

I think OP got butt-raped >>3780180 and left when he realizzed he had no real arguments

>>3780307

With what?
Pacheco or Mexican literarure?
If the former Batallas en el Desierto is probably the best place to start plus it's pretty short.

>>3780124
Stop trying to look edgy by pretending to be retarded and thinking you accomplished something.

>>3780128
>reference to Sontag
>retarded

well, it IS a bit of a pun, but that's what the anon was going for by linking to the camping board, so it seemed justified, if a bit trenchant.

>>3780109
why don't you make your own elite board because obviously this place is 2pleb4u

>>3780144
>implying

The fags which love Harry Potter are in the minority

>>3780144
I don't think the OP is going for a value heirarchy here: I think the point here is to exclude SOMEBODY. preferably on grounds of taste, or manners or refinement, since those are rather arbitrary and subjective. If you want to promote cntroversy that's pretty much de rigeur.

and I believe controversy is OP's aim. If he were really trying to promote the idea of a more patrician and high-cless board, he'd be trying to display the courtesy, acceptance, tolerance and noblesse oblige that are the hallmarks of all true literary connisseurs.

I suspect we may be dealing with a certain Mr. Underbridge here...

>>3780239
But Euthyphro?

Morals are a system created by the human conscious to ensure something or other because of something or other, i'm pretty sure.

Either way i'm sure I'd feel pretty bad killing someone unless I really didn't like them.

Then i'd feel a bit bad.

>>3780259
Zizek/10

>>3780262
:D

>"exist in nature rather than being results of social conditioning."

Because social conditioning comes from nature, meaning that morality is just a part of evolution.

>>3780038
Guys like Kerouac and Thompson liked it as working fuel I believe, as do soldiers and pilots and politicians when needed. It's basically emergency energy.

I usually take amphetamines when I write (adderall, vyvanse, never taken meth or dex). It makes me a lot more productive and kind of helps me write dialogue because of how social and chatty it can make you. If it feels good and I'm peaking and I get that whole feeling like everything's coming together then it usually helps. If I've been up for a couple days or I've been binging on it then it kind of turns me robotic and normal prose turns into technical writing. Amphetamines are especially good for screenwriting because of how formatted it is and how fulfilling organizing stuff, etc. is when you're high. When I write I'm usually on amphetamines mostly because I have like no energy and I wouldn't even bother to get out of bed. They don't help you creatively, but they give you a ton of drive and that sort of speeds up the creative process, which might make it seem like you're more creative then normal just because you're working so fast that you have so many ideas that you can't keep up with them all.

I do a lot of brainstorming, planning of plays and free association stream of consciousness exercises when I smoke my hookah with weed outside alone. I might jot bits of dialogue down as well.

I'm not good at pure output when stoned although I'm sure it can be done. I generally reflect on my work and stuff I've read when I get high and then actually churn out more polished stuff when sober. It works for me when I can keep my motivation high when not high.

>>3779980
Joyce was a ridiculous drunk...

>>3780163
Yeah. I feel like pretty much most of the classic authors from the first half of the 1900s were too.

>>>/b/

>>3779977
saged for nsfw

The Soldier Son Trilogy by Robin Hobb. It's about getting fat to be magical.