/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Nigger.

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>>6622101
Demonic Posts.

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>>6622107
Shoo Shoo demon.

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The mentally-healthiest American

bleh

Crit?

>>6622109
I suggest using a simpler brush. I don't think you know how to use this one yet.
>>6622126
I like the palette, it's pretty good...just figure out the hands
>>6622156
Lines are super messy, don't think it looks intentional.

>>6622074
/pro/

>>6622162
>I suggest using a simpler brush. I don't think you know how to use this one yet.
yeah i'm a beginner, how should that brush be used?

>>6622186
Just use hard round for now, add more stylistic brush textures later

Getting back into drawing. Did a drawing of a random Yakuza member in his Japanese diapers.

>>6622263
Here's the line art. (also its Marc again, long time no see)

How do you guys rate that new sticky for begs and its order of things to learn?

>>6622280
there's a new sticky?

>>6622280
these "begs" you speak of are all ints. I haven't seen one actual beg on this thread since last month. What happened to all the shitty pre begs? Where'd they all go? I miss them,

>>6622288
>pre beg
i'm right here

>>6622286
>New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
>>6622288
I'm about to be one, for a long time too if i hopefully manage to stick to it

It's not a loli, just a midget, filthy pedos!

Reposting bcuz I really liked it. Now let's paint it, and pray that I commit to animating it.
I hadn't made something so clean in such a long time, I could just fill the outsides and the characters remain perfectly white

>>6622306
Pre/beg/
You need to go back to your thread.

>>6622187

Todays wip

>>6622365
Wtf
Go back and work out this pose

>>6622288
It entirely depends on your standard for int or beg. I think I understand concepts well, and just need more practice. I think that makes me a /beg/. But I think to some people /beg/ means neither understanding concepts nor having skill.

>>6622350
Which thread

>>6622386
Pre/beg/
>>6622377
Fusing /int/ with /beg/ was a mistake and y'all beginners are at fault for allowing this bullshit to happen

>>6622403
Ints being here means at least hypothetically there's better advice than begs shouting loomis at each other.

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>>6622403
there is no pre/beg/ thread u nigger

>>6622374
Dont you worry its coming along, back and hip were borked there.

>>6622436
I was talking about the arms and ribcage

I'mgonna make it, my brothers

>>6622403
there's a pre/beg/ thread?

>>6622456
We can clearly see that you aren't familiar with drawing hands or legs, the lines on those are sketchy, even in the lineart phase, my rec is to you target practice those parts, just draw them until you are confortable. Apart from that, keep going anon, it's almost good enough for the commers.

>>6622458
This one is better but I really want to see one where you push the shadows very deep.

here's a pig

>>6622469
Post your work.

>>6622469
Can you show me how to do it better?
I just copied my ref and just drew what I think is good enough

here's a real closeup of a chiaua nose in perspective

Bros I'm so unmotivated. AI makes me want to kms.

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>>6622456
Samefag LMAO. Cant you just accept critique?

here is the perspective of something a cat is about to put in his mouth

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>>6622264
Bump

>>6622498
Her left tit is noticeably higher than the right.

>>6622450
Well heres it now if anyone wants to redline

>>6622058
I want to be good at drawing so badly but I can't bring myself to draw. Make me draw. Make me good. Make me creative. Why do I want to be good at drawing?

Any reccs on what to read / study for cityscapes? Landscapes? I'm not sure I've heard that discussed on here before.

>>6622540
>Make me good. Make me creative
Two different ideas. I think the basic idea to draw more is to make what you're drawing fun. For me that means studying something that isn't so outside my skill level that my attempts to draw it are damaging to my ego. Creativity is a whole different ballgame though.

>>6622507
uhh, no?
I'm the second reply and yes, I do like crique
Especially redlines. Those are useful

>>6622523
I wasn't the anon from before, but here's a redline. The volumes of the arms are a big fucked, and I feel like the torso was a bit stocky, so I made her more slender. See if you can look for where I attached the arms to the shoulders, even though it's overlapped by everything else.

>>6622492
I don't have time for a redline, here is a screenshot of a hand study, just do bunch of those, practice a clean line on top of it, and try to apply on your work.

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kek

>>6622580
ty

Hello int. Since there are no longer any begs present >>6622288 , it means we all have made it and now we are all INTs! Congratulation. Crabs were defeated today!

>>6622541
Denna Jones Architecture: The Whole Story, Rob Alexander How to Draw and Paint Fantasy Architecture, Rudolf Arnheim The Dynamics of Architectural Form, Stefan Riekeles Anime Architecture, Edmund N. Bacon Design of Cities, Jack Hamm Drawing Scenery. These are all from my "library" blog part https://pawell2418.github.io/library.html and no: i cannot testify for single one of them being good but i have seen them mentioned in various places.
>>6622540
sounds like the typical normie struggle to me: i want social status / money from X, but i am unwilling to do whatever needs to be done to achieve X. Sadly i dont know any cure for this condition. Sorry
>>6622505
use ai for inspiration, easy
>>6622498
solid stylisation!
>>6622456
if these are from memory / imagination then i kneel. Thats some very promising coom anime coming up
>>6622369
you need to separate soft and hard edges better. As it is now her abs look unappealing. The lines implying forms are just too solid and the shading isnt consistent at all on her belly. Research cross hatching and try hatching the soft edges
>>6622302
this sticky is honestly too long, contains completely unnecessary details (remember, the audience are prebegs and permabegs, not INTs) and is lowkey trying to reinvent wheel. Personally i would just kept the preface, the TLDR on art supplies and then refer begs to books / courses. And here i would tell how the books and or courses differ from each other so the begs themselves could decide if they want intuitive casual approach, the engineer approach or autistic grind. Also the guide roleplays as if observation isnt the most important fundie which is imho a big mistake. Observation should be always on 1st place on any list, not perspective.
>>6622263
figure is okay, the design of that label is unreadable trash

>>6622615
Get a load of this mass reply retard

>Can shit out a mediocre to decent figure in a few minutes on paper
>Takes almost half an hour to get a face down on a tablet
Is this just me being unfamiliar with using a display tablet or is there something else to it?

>even the mass repliers don't critique my work

>>6622637
The face is as complex is the human body itself, and if you haven't studied it enough, then of course your inexperience will hold you back. Same thing applies to the hand, btw. It's very hard and needs independent study.

>>6622638
feels very beg beg. which one are you? I usually dont shit on anons unless they specifically ask for it. Plus i ran out of 2000 chars limit.

>>6622540
Check out awakening from the meaning crisis on youtube, might help you. If your problem is addiction to meaningless passive distraction sucking your will and agency, you'll have to work on that. Remove the things in your life that trigger your shitty behavior patterns, delete games, block sites and apps, practice mindfulness to recognize your degenerate thought patterns, get a dumb phone, whatever you need to do. Figure out wholesome meta-goals higher than your own ego in which making art can play a part

>>6622540
Draw something you’re passionate about like sadfrog, wojak, etc.

>>6622685
Unironically this

>>6622417
Great

>>6622693
no! someone save him! Is turtle bro getting to him? I hope so

Should you use Vilppu drawing manual as a beginner?

This book confuses me, because the lessons are planned in a weird way: start with gesture, which I heard is not really for begs, then goes to form, which is sure, a beg thing, then goes into full anatomy and then at the very end he's like "yeah so measuring is useful, hold your hand straight" and then light and values.

I'm asking because I'm choosing between keys to drawing and the drawing manual to stick to one.

>>6622693
i don’t like it :(

tried a study to relax after a shitty drawing day. a lot went wrong but i’m not stressing about it right now

>>6622710
Sure, whatever
Just draw whatever you want, consistently
Master discipline before jumping on rules or whatever

I loaded my folder with many pdfs and choose to just eyeball everything instead because it's more fun that way.

>>6622710
Do the David Finch guide instead of Vilppu or Dodson

>>6622710
i'm gonna say no if you’re considering keys to drawing. i take it you’re very /beg/ in that scenario.

also you need to know a bit of perspective (how to draw cubes properly) when reading vilppu so if you don’t know how to do that then it might be difficult for you.

>>6622717
NTA but is there a good time for Villpu? Currently almost half through the marvel book, and then there's Bridgman. But looking for the book after that.

>>6622717
i’m a ride or die vilppufag. what’s so good about whatever this david finch nigga is saying?

>>6622724
Vilppu's strength is in explaining basic forms, so if you're going to incorporate Vilppu into the Finch guide, I would do it during the 30 minutes of daily gestures Finch has you doing.

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he's fine, he gets out:
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>>6622725
Vilppu is great at explaining basic construction and anatomy, but he doesn't teach you how to give your figures an appealing shape. Copying through Bridgman, then doing master copies of your favorite artists, will give you that. That's basically what David Finch recommnds:
>First, basic forms + proportions
>Then, Anatomy
>Then, Bridgman + Loomis for the heads
>Then, start copying and emulating your favorite artists

Finch doesn't teach anything contrary to what Vilppu teaches, he just adds an extension to Vilppu. If you want to be a professional artist, your style and design choices are really important.

>>6622523
nta but here are some suggestions
I reduced the size of the ribcage, as a rule of thumb it should be half the torso or 1 third of the upperbody if you count the head
the arms seem to be in an uncomfortable and overcomplicated position so I tried to give it a more natural look

>>6622735
Not him, but this is a really good redline.

>>6622710
>gesture isn't beg
I don't know where you heard it, but what? There isn't any fundamental that isn't for begs, that's what make them fundamentals!
Anyways, about Vilppu's book, I never used it, so I can't say shit, if you don't understand it, just go read another, or go look at some video of someone teaching, just don't forget to draw.

>>6622733
all of this seems really obvious to me. but it’s good to give new artists direction i guess.

love vilppu. simple as. would recommend him to everyone (once they’ve gotten some other fundies down).

>>6622714
Props for the attempt and reminding me of the lol wut pear, I havent seen that lil' nigga in ages but you got not much else going.
Although I gotta admit it's better than all the coomer shit posted so far in this thread.

>>6622742
For sure gesture is important to learn as soon as you can. But I do think it’s a bit.. aimless if you don’t know what you’re doing. Like drawing contours instead of feeling the actual gesture of the figure.

>>6622751
Oh sure, a beg should learn form (and line) first, for like, a week, then move to gesture for another week. Then he kinda knows the basics (he doesn't) and go follow one of the roadmaps that the other anons made (Vilppu, David Finch, etc).

>>6622768
retard

I started this piece a few months back but I had a lot of trouble finishing it because the reference has her head tilted back and it's surprisingly hard to draw anime faces with their head in weird angles.

I have some "finished" sketches of this with the head drawn on but it doesn't look as good. I'm just bringing it up to ask if anyone thinks the body looks decent enough to try and finish it or if I should just abandon the drawing completely

Draw rocks and easy things first they said.. it's over.

Retard here, so once you sort of have a handle on the "planes" and shit how do you transition your block faces into actual faces? Every resource I see just "does it", how am I supposed to know how do turn a simplified cheek into a real cheek just by looking at it?

>>6622861
looks good bro. How long have you been drawing?

>>6622871
3 weeks maybe and not a lot. It's shit though, how can one fuck it up so bad?

>>6622523
First, make it easier on yourself by drawing the arm nearest to the viewer. The thing to remember about this pose is that the arms cross at the elbows. The upper arms are close to parallel to each other. That also means the position of the hands should also be symmetrical. You have the one hand almost wrapped around the figures back. Hope this helps!

>>6622523
this drawing is better than
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Thanks guys, working on it again now

>>6622350
>Pre/beg/

>>6622868
check Angel Ganev Doodle Warriors course

>>6622868
The simple answer: soften the forms. Planes represent forms with perfect hard edges - how hard the edges are IRL is governed by how gradual the turn of the form is. As a rule of thumb, forms which are bone directly under the skin tend to be the sharper ones (with exceptions). Which leads us to -

The complex answer: whether or not you are working from reference, your ability to accurately depict the forms largely depends on how well you understand them (i.e. anatomy). The planes of the face can be understood as a very simplified abstraction of the skull. The better you understand the skull, the broad forms of soft tissue (not individual facial muscles), the general appearance of non-skeletal features like canthal folds, the nodes at the corners of the mouth, aging markers like drooping fat pads, wrinkles, naso-labial lines etc. the better you'll be able to depict the face.

This is extremely annoying in the early days of art because it is common for artists to draw these things from experience and not explain them. The best way to get past this is to do a tremendous amount of facial studies, and supplement the planes-of-the-face approach by understanding the skull very well (you should eventually be able to draw fairly convincing skulls from memory).

>>6622879
you're not fucking up, you're learning. Does Arnold yell at a skelly for not being able to do more than 10 pushups? Enjoy the process. Find stuff in the world that's genuinely interesting to you. For me, it's fish.

>>6622058
Does anyone know who made OP's artwork? It's lovely.

>>6622941
>The simple answer: soften the forms
Do you know a good resource for learning this? This is my problem, all the most recommended resources like loomis draw the forms with lines instead of values, and they don't teach you how. They just say "okay now that you understand the simplified nose, boom draw a nose" and I'm like... fucking how?

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>>6622861
Dude for 3 weeks that looks fine... literally everyone started out sucking. While I am a novice artist I have been playing guitar for 12 years and used to teach lessons. Even the ones with high aptitude struggle with playing the song they want to learn for months. Skills take time to build man, you have to accept this and give yourself positive reinforcement. Negative comments towards yourself will just cause you to quit.

>>6622950
Not him, but he said:

> The best way to get past this is to do a tremendous amount of facial studies, and supplement the planes-of-the-face approach by understanding the skull very well (you should eventually be able to draw fairly convincing skulls from memory).

That applies to lighting as well. Observe the shapes, and look at how gradual / sharp the transition is. Copy what you see. Do it over and over again, until you get it right.

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>>6622879
I'm really digging the rocks man but the strokes need to be more sharp on the details.
The way you did it seems as if they were covered in soft strings of hair, they look like my testacles.
Other than that it's a really solid exercise, good job man.

>>6622931
>dud just look at like le shapes and stuff and let your hand draw them without looking

how do you stylize your art? Do you just look at the reference and try to draw it wrong on purpose? Or do you look up the style you're going for and try to copy that art?

I just feel like I'm better at photo copying other art and real life photos than I am at making my own art (usually)

>>6622960
I'm looking for a resource for assistance, not to be told to figure it out myself through grinding.

>>6622634
he did more than you ever will

>>6622999
medsmap is shilled often

>>6622950
You'll find as you learn, as an artist, that there are times where there seems to be a big information gap, and you're looking for a "default" approach to a situation but can't find it anywhere. When those times come there you can examine a lot of sources and try to find an approach or combination of approaches that works for you (Proko has a pretty solid free "planes of the nose" video), or you can do studies. Preferably you will do both. Eventually you'll find yourself over the hump after you've put in enough mileage.

As a starter - take it down to fundamentals - a very simple nose can be broken down to a sphere for the tip, and two embedded spheres for the nostril masses. Can you shade a sphere currently? If not, you've skipped part of the learning curve - you should be able to understand light, midtone, core shadow, reflected light, cast shadow etc. - once you do every organic form is broadly rendered the same way (with allowances for style etc.) Once you understand that, then all you need is sufficient information about noses. What are the planes of a typical nose? Can I find a couple of different methods to construct them? Finally, what are some examples of SPECIFIC noses I can work from? This means studies - find photos of different noses, try to understand them as 3D forms. Construct them (block forms, sphere forms, planar construction, combination) and then shade them how you see them (employing what you understand about lighting basic organic forms).

There is a tremendous amount of art instruction out there, but the biggest son of a bitch in drawing is the fact that, eventually, you're gonna have to build your own house. You'll eventually run up into a pile of crappy 3 minute youtube videos, videos from people who shouldn't be teaching, Udemy "courses" that have a 20 minute "anatomy" chapter sloppily thrown together by someone who knows full well you can't even learn anatomy in 20 weeks. Combine the sources you have, and do studies.

>>6623010
Okay I understand the points you're making a lot more now and I know what to do. Thanks for taking the time anon, I appreciate it

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>>6622942
you're right, thanks tried roots this time, worked better. Rocks are so pointy and sharp, feels weird drawing, don't know how to indicate perspective

>>6622959
problem is there’s so much art being posted online now and everyone feels like they’re in competition with each other. doesn’t help when some dude on reddit makes a comment about drawing only for a week, then shows a photo of what might as well be the mona lisa compared to other begs. none of it matters or actually means much, but will make you feel like a notalent failure wasting your time.

>>6623024
looking great!

>>6623025
>problem is there’s so much art being posted online now and everyone feels like they’re in competition with each other.
Never compare yourself to someone else, it doesn't make logical sense and doesn't help you at all; this is also true emotionally. So stop doing that. YOU can only go at YOUR pace, not someone else's pace. So as long as you are doing your best, you are making it.
>some dude on reddit makes a comment about drawing only for a week, then shows a photo of what might as well be the mona lisa compared to other begs
If it helps you feel better, most of those posts are lies. And even if they aren't, who cares man. My dad was a drunk who drank himself to death at 48, that was over 10 years ago, I don't spend a second being salty that other people have dads who are still alive and have thousands of happy memories with. Life isn't fair and in a lot of cases, brutally unfair. (Imagine if you didn't even have hands) So sitting around feeling bad about yourself because someone else is better off is a waste of your time.
>>6623024
You're doing great, really. Try to incorporate some fundamentals into your work. Visualize sections of the trees as simplified 3d shapes like loomis teaches.

>>6623039
>Never compare yourself to someone else, it doesn't make logical sense and doesn't help you at all
Both untrue. It can be overwhelming and potentially demotivating partly because we view as ‘me vs the rest.’ But it absolutely motivates me to be my best by seeing the great works of others. How would it be illogical? We are all humans generally using the same basic tools on earth in current year. Seems like a fair group to compare to. Nothing exists in a vacuum; everything exists in a context which includes the rest of the actors on the stage. As with most things, it seems balance is key.

New Gondola drop

>>6623050
Astonishingly based.
My faith in this board has been restored.

>>6623050
saved <3

is there a "wrong" way to do gesture?

>>6623072
Personally, I think the "wrong" way is to not get the drawing to at least a basic construction. You should try to get really used to laying in a basic rib cage, a basic box for the pelvis, and cylinders for the limbs. Form is more important than gesture, for the beginner to learn.

>>6622921
Hopefully I got most of what was pointed out. Ending up going with the arm position anon 2 suggested and liked it a lot.

Will finish tomorrow bros

>>6623023
Righteous, you're welcome. Keep on keeping on. Pic related: I did a nose study in solidarity with you (if only as an example of what not to do).

>>6623083
woah

>>6622903
Do you not know what a redline is?

>>6623072
Hard to say that there's a "wrong way" but a good gesture will provide a clear sense of the pose, will have a flowing, asymmetrical use of line, will be economical in its use of line. A bad gesture will typically be a "contour drawing" i.e. just an outline, will have extraneous or improperly used lines that break the sense of flow, will be confusing and the pose won't be clear, will have poor line confidence (usually short lines and "railroading")

For you, I would use fewer, longer lines, and preferably (though not mandatorily) a tool which gives you some line weight / density variation.

>>6623072
I meant to note - you're on the right track and with the exception of far upper-left these ARE gesture drawings (per se) and not just contour drawings. GJ keep doing it.

>>6623050
gem

>>6623080
nice bro

Attempt at a self portrait. The last thing I did was the long headphone string, which I really fucked up.
I don't know much about crosshatching or value yet.
I can make out my cheekbones in the mirror but they're not "lines", just value differentials and I wasn't sure how to draw that at my current level.

>>6623129
are you sam hyde

>>6623130
Haha, no. My Grandma used to call me "The Wild Man of Borneo". At the time I had longer hair

>>6623129
Based schizo don't you ever take your meds back again.
Before learning how to hatch/cross hatch or value learn how to sharpen your pencil and pencil grips.
You can't add much value with that tip or with a regular pencil grip. Google underhand/overhand pencil grips for reference.

>>6623129
based symobl drawing eyeballs

>>6623129
the hair is nice

i didn't do shit today and i feel bad

I like it

>>6622264
some good anatomy on the legs bro

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>>6622515
the legs look short, they are the same length as the arm

doing some more morpho copies.

>>6623078
I always thought gesture was meant to be more abstract. I specifically tried not to add any shapes because that usually makes my figures too stiff, but I guess I may have gone a bit overboard.

>>6623096
>>6623103
What would you say is a good time limit for each gesture? So far each of the previous gestures were a minute each, but that might be too short for my skill level

>>6623165
imagine how much more badass it would be without the underwear, and you just see his balls dangling

>>6622879
>>6623024
one thing i think you could try in these is to focus on drawing the bigger shapes, the smaller textures and details are harder to get right and look bad when you do it sloppily

>>6623168
>"abstract gesture"
I have no idea either, but once you have multiple art teachers all teaching it differently, and all getting good results, then it might not be that important after all, in the end. David Finch recommends just laying in basic volumes, instead of doing the stick figure thing. Steve Huston starts with the outer "contours", but simplified. Will Weston teaches you to start with flat shapes. It's all different, and it probably doesn't matter how you do it.

What matters is basic forms, imo, which you seem to have a great handle on. Great Morpho copies, btw

>>6622947
It seems to be Boxman. He is our resident schizo, but like in the actual "jesus is talking to me" kind of way and not in the "uhh im gonna draw a sad anime girl like tkmiz :DDD" kind of way. He has some pretty good work desu.

I could be wrong though, Boxman tends to draw vaguely religious orthodox Christianity inspired stuff like that.

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>>6623048
this is a very unhealthy way to look at life but far be it from me to try to convince you otherwise

>>6623183
>>6623187
Could be indeed. Cheers.

Been drawing for 8 months now, think im finally good.

>>6622868
kek

>>6623216
Tremendous progress for 8 months. Head is absolutely tiny though

>>6623206
You didn’t try at all. Why use a meaningless platitude to say you won’t actually make a counterpoint?

>>6623180
I see, thanks for the help. I might just stick with Vilppu then, since I've already started on his stuff anyways

AIEEEEE
It's shit but I'm kinda happy with it, first time trying to turn one of my construction heads into an actual character.
I'm also watching Eviston on the side, about a week into it now.
I have no idea what I'm doing but I'm starting to have fun... I think.

3 days. Could anyone please tell me if I should get a Intuous small or a One by Wacom Medium? I'm a bit concerned that the small drawing area on the Intuous small will be too difficult to work with. I know there's a tablet thread but I'd prefer to stay away from gearfagging, shilling etc.

>>6623280
.

Maybe a dumb question but is "drawing comics the marvel way" a good book if I have no interest in drawing comics, let alone the marvel way? A lot of people swear by this book.

>>6623157
Now you made me sad too. Hope you're happy

loosely based on a coworker

>>6623280
With a small tablet you can only draw small strokes from your wrist. This can lead to repetitive strain injuries. If you've ever had wrist pain from writing, typing, gaming etc. I'd advise getting a medium or large sized tablet. I've heard of a couple professional artists who prefer a smaller tablet so it's not a complete deal breaker but most people would be better off with a bigger one. You can find used ones pretty cheap if the price is a problem.

>>6623283
It's a fine introduction to form, construction, figure drawing, perspective and composition. They are fundamental skills you can use in any kind of art so it's fine if you don't want to draw comics. There is also a video, if you didn't know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdWsNp5KWdE
People here tend to get overly attached to the resources they like, keep that in mind when people recommend stuff.

>>6623307
Thanks for the reply anon. Sadly the video's blocked in my country but I'll check out the book.

>>6622288
I'm pretty fucking /beg/ bro.

>>6623159
This is incredible, nice work. Love the concept.

>>6623302
I haven't had wrist pain, but carpel tunnel is in my family. The issue is I don't know how committed I am to drawing and don't want to buy an expensive - relative to my level - tablet only to cease using it a week later, then have something better release when I resume drawing. The Intuous medium is $185 usd where I live while the small is just $80.

Actually, after taking a second to look outside my country, I can get the Intuous M for half the price. Does this look correct? https://item.rakuten.co.jp/wacomstore/ctl-6100-k0-ol/

>>6622494
horrifying

>>6622735
> as a rule of thumb it should be half the torso
What is defined as the torso? The top of the ribcage down to the start of the pelvis or including the pelvis?

>>6623329
>video's blocked in my country
Found an alternative playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0DDE1A8DCCD9882C
and a re-upload on Chinese YouTube:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Rx411A7V3/

>>6622615
You have to kill yourself. Now.

You are a burden to society and those around you. You contribute nothing positive, and your absence will not be missed.

>>6623345
>carpel tunnel is in my family
Yeah, keep an eye out for that. A lot easier to deal with it early before it gets bad.
>don't want to buy an expensive - relative to my level - tablet only to cease using it a week later,
Yeah I get that, I bit the bullet and bought an expensive tablet. Ended up being good motivation for me to stick with the hobby because I didn't want to waste money. You could buy a cheaper tablet and set a goal of making enough money with art to buy a better one, if you are interested in doing art for money.
Personally I ended up buying a used Intuos Pro Medium. If you don't mind buying used, sites like ebay, craigslist, facebook marketplace or your local sites can have good deals. Would see people selling ones they only used once or twice pretty often.
That Intuos M should be fine, just keep in mind the shipping/import fees and taxes on international orders.

>>6623348
Down to the bottom of the pelvis

>>6622980
You'll pick up stylized bits and pieces as you study other artists.

>>6623361
Thanks man. I think I will go with the medium one - I live in a small country and I checked the usual second hand marketplace to no avail, and even sellers of new ones on there had it priced similarly to retail stores.

>>6622718
Anon I used your sketch as reference, that pic is total fire, thanks for the inspo
>>6623399

hand practice

>>6623400
thanks
cool you know roninsong, love that guy's art

moar imagination

Heads are fucking stupid. Foreheads are way bigger than I thought, eyes are smaller than I thought, noses are longer than I thought, mouths are fucking dumb, fucking you hampton.

>>6623416
Study Bridgman. His hands are killer

>>6623438
proportions all OFF
improve your accuracy/observation skills

>>6623445
>improve your accuracy/observation skills
That's what I'm trying to do.

Drawing.

half-hour study of one of kinu nishimura's necro artworks. brand new to digital painting and application of colour in general.
any advice for using copic-like flat brushes in CSP? i spent ages trying to colour in the lines because i could only set the brush to rotate based on stroke direction, rather than pen tilt

>>6623438
Kek
He's a good basis though but I'm going through the same

Found this maybe some of you could use it idk

>>6623476
Thanks

>>6623464
You mog 99% of /beg/ already.

>>6623461
no, you don't.

How many years does it take to get through Fun with a Pencil if you draw a minimum of 3 hours per day but you're a complete idiot?

>>6623565
It was made for kids, so... Maybe 3 months.

Discovering Vilppu for myself. Am I doing it right?

20 min mercy sketch, is this good for the time or bad?

>>6623281

Anyone have experience with the Hampton Figure book?

Currently working through it. My strategy is to read through each chapter, copy everything he has drawn in each chapter, then at the end of the chapter do at least 15 figure drawings applying whatever the chapter was about before moving to the next.

I've finished the gesture/landmarks chapter and I'm about to finish my last few figures. The next chapter is heads, but I'm wondering if I can / should skip the heads chapter? I've got the Loomis heads book and I've already worked through part of it and plan to return to it after spending some time on figures. Is the Hampton head chapter still worth checking out?

>>6623694
I picked up the book a little while ago and just started working through it with you. I'm pretty much doing the same thing as you minus the 15 figures at the end of each chapter. I plan to read and copy through the entire book to get familiar with the shapes of the body he uses before doing any serious observational figure drawing.
I think you're plan is pretty solid. Maybe throw in some quick gestures from observation before each session of copying as a warm up. As for the head chapter, I don't see how it could hurt to still work through it to at least get familiar with the way he draws them.

>>6622264
>>6622263
Nice, you got it so his ribs would be touching his hip bones though, moving the ribs up, or as>>6623165 suggested, while making the legs a little longer you could move the hips down instead ig, but I like your proportions as it is.

Robot
... robot

>>6623617
It could be better

Where did it all go so wrong la
Heres me ref >>6577493

How does it look?

Question: when constructing with spherical forms ala Vilppu, do you first do the gesture? I find doing the gesture just gets in the way. It makes the whole drawing feel cluttered when I start laying in the spheres.

>>6623795
If you're working with pencil, get a kneaded eraser and tap on your drawing to lighten it. It's how every comic artist works.

Was trying to study the composition

>>6623776
check arm proportions

I'm rather proud of this practice. It's not perfect and it's sloppy, but I never bother cleaning up my practices anyway.

My first quick attempt at a head, a nice change from boxes and spheres

how the fuck do I organize values

Is it fine to jump straight into digital drawing with very little experience? Fundamentals should be the same

>>6623951
Yeah just make sure you get a tablet and don't draw directly on the screen as that can ruin your monitor.

I don't know what a crab is, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

>>6623969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

>>6623943
try to limit the ones you use. try squinting at the reference or looking at it thru a colored glass to get a sense of the value groupings

>>6623969
Just stay away from them no-draw crabbs, they are a pest

>>6623969
Crab? Nah nigga yous a KWAB

>>6623971
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality


It all makes sense now.. thank you.

Bros I have a 30 degree angle on my display tablet, but after like half an hour my whole right arm gets fucked and my hand hurts, I have a normal "writing" grip on my pen. Should I just get a tablet without display or am I doing something wrong

>>6624011
Post your hands and feet for reference.

took a break from comics to paint

Just saw a chink on Deviantart watermarking is AI art.. I can't anymore

>>6624030
I love this, blog

Pic is some stuff I drew today, I'm happy that I've spent one week drawing and im okay with my progress given that it's my first week but I could've spent more time drawing and I also notice that I get distracted easily by sitting next to my computer so I am not being as mindful of what I am doing as I could be.
Anyways need to get mileage in and need to practice perspective and form so I've paid my bills and I'm gonna go internet free until next month, picked up some books on perspective and form and also downloaded some videos.
Anyways I'll report back with my findings on the 25th next month until then best wishes to all and see you next time.

>>6624087
extremely beautiful. I wish I could handle paint like you

can you measure photos? or at the very least, can you train accuracy digitally?

>>6624107
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A

>>6624011
How long have you been using it

AAAAAA I NEED TO DO 3 MORE STUDIES BUT I'M AFRAID OF TOUCHING THE PEN FUUUUUCKK please someone motivate me and give me reference :)

>>6624117
a month almost but only like 3-4 hrs a day

I don't think I really understand gesture. I get you're supposed to quickly establish the pose, but to some extent the goal seems to be constructing with more innacuracies. Is it something you're supposed to do when constructing figures you plan on finishing, or just as warm up / to plan out a pose before you actually draw it?

>>6624142
Gesture is body language. It's what the character is doing. It's POSING. In that way, every character has gesture. Gesture is not the stick figure. That's just ONE way of starting a drawing, that will have a strong gesture. You could conceivable just start with basic forms, and still have a strong gesture. In fact, you could just draw directly, like KJG, and still give your figures a strong gesture.

I fucking hate Nicolaides, because he started all this confusion in the first place. He was the one who coined "gesture drawing" as that scribbly mess to get the "action" of the figure, when in reality no artist before him ever did that. They just laid in basic forms, and made sure the foundation had a strong pose. The STRONG POSE is the point.

>>6624132
> someone motivate me
>give me reference :)

>>6624080
Based

>>6624149
that's a man

>>6623956
The bottom of her tummy needs to sit lower, between her hip bones, but you're getting there

>>6624073
Thank you, I don't think I can post links on here without the algorithm thinking its spam but I'm cuqtoons on both Twitter and Facebook. My normal content are comics like this though however I think once or twice a month I'll do a painting like that one from now on

How do I hold a pencil

>>6623776

>>6623776
you should vary your line weight and only use bolder lines in shadows or when the body is squishing

>>6623776
i coom

>>6623776
I like everything but the psuedo-disney nose and eyes. Not that it's actually bad, I just personally don't like disney.

>>6622936
seconded. i'd also recommend his portrait series playlist on youtube.

my husband

>>6624344
He's a dirty bastard killer

Anybody knows some resources that will learn me to draw some thick lipped baboon niggers? All these racist tutorials only show how to draw caucasoids and chinese women.

>>6624347
yes exactly, now take that bottle and jump, bitch

>>6624354
I remember seeing some off color caricatures in fwap but that's the closest I can think of.
>chinese women
You mean butt-fuck ugly? Chinks and Vietnamese are hideous compared to most Asians.

>>6624372
Vietnamese have the most beautiful women, but the ugliest sounding language

First finished painted work in a while.

>>6624398
talk us through it.

>>6624372
Lol sorry i meant asians i forgot. This bitch on youtube draws nigs (pic related) but they’re very stylized. idk, i am having trouble finding something more fundamental that isnt focused on european anatomy.

I need to study more, I'm such a lazy piece of shit, but I'm getting there, I'm drawing 2-3 studies a day since 2 days ago. Started drawing almost a month ago and just following an online "art school" I torrented (Marc brunet) I don't know if that's the right way to walk, but since it's not much work to do per day, I see it as passive learning next to the stuff I do normally. It's good to have a plan to stick to, like if you were actually in school. God I miss school fuck.

>>6624409
>talk us through it.
wym the process?

>Soft flat brushes
>painted over linework
>painted darker colors beneath the base colors for the hair
>airbrush on top of it
>fixed the left hand about three times
>chose red-headed centipede cause why not
>canvas texture on top

Studied off of picrel cause I'm a chuunishit

Hello INT, today it was okay draw day.

>>6624354
all you need is observation and then dozen of photos of niggers. Draw and study what you see. Not sure why you need extra book for that.
>>6624297
cute and uoooh coomable. it even is furry bait. Honestly there isnt a single internet demographic which wont love/hate you for drawing this. Good job!
>>6624241
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/learn-how-to-hold-a-pencil-1123296
>>6624087
this anon can feel the form with color hue! I kneel
>>6624011
just adjust your setup. Put elbow on table, get rid of the angle, sit behind taller table, put on shorter chair, strech. Also is it just muscle fatigue? Or is it joint or nerve pain? Cause muscles can be trained to last longer and they dont really suffer perm damage, instead they get stronger with each use
>>6623951
its fine
>>6623773
there are few minor accuracy errors like her right cheek missing proper chin or eye shape. But the biggest offender is how flat majority of her face is. In ref you can see light coming from left which makes left side of her face super bright and the other half darker. You dont have this. The fix is simple: first take the yellow pencil you used for highlight on her haircut and do same bold highlight on her nose, chin and cheek. Then take black pencil and very gently apply darker tone to whole right side. And next time pick woman ref without makeup. Makeup camouflages the face features, essentially cockblocking begs from leveling up observation skill since all they see is blurry nothing.
>>6623691
this is artistic. And nice.
>>6623462
solid thot
>>6623283
there are hundreds of good art books, if you dont find authors style and or topic appealing just find different one? Check pawell2418.github.io/library.html and pick whatever will strike your fancy
>>6623280
definitely go for medium or large sized ones. I use cheap xp-pen and its great. XPPen Deco L is the name (not fun version)
>>6623050
i kneel

here's a little yugioh work in progress.
spen too much time texturing the face for some reason and now i'm tired.
gonna finish it tomorrow hopefully.

>>6624284
the amount of brainpower this drains is tremendous

trying to get better at colors ignore the symbol shapes and drawing. i picked a subject to hard to study from. is their a place where i can get simple shit to study paining from?

>>6624425
i can tell you’re almost done with perspective made easy!! good job!!! loved that book

>>6624448
man, now I'm nostalgic for yugioh

evidence of prebeg "just draw"
not accurate in the slightest
too bad!

AVYGSK ;_;

>>6624491
imagine how much better you would be once you've done 1000 of these :)

Would you say 30 min warm up, 30 minutes reading/watching study materials and then 1-2 hours of actual drawing a decent daily routine?

>>6622058
how does it look?

Studies Studies Studies

>>6624616
are these from a book?

>>6624616
aahhhh beautiful studies, art is awesome

Need to start practicing faces, and hands, and feet, and hair and everything.

Imagination faces.

>>6624660
GMI Urabechad.

>>6624702
Blog?

>>6624723
I don't post anywhere except /ic/ and the trash drawthread desu

>>6624702
Based.
Also what flavor ice cream is that?

>>6624660
Urabechad

THIS SONG IS GIVING ME POWERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT9ZoSQ3tms

>>6623476
I love this. A lot of references use very exaggerated poses in action, which is good, of course, for gesture. But I feel like I rarely find poses that are just kind of idle. Anymore ways or websites I can find poses like this? This is a goldmine.

>>6624764
Nice guns

>>6624702
You did this? This is beautiful anon

>>6624764
YEE HAW

My attempt at keys 3.1
I'm happy about the torso, though I really fucked up everything else. I can't into faces, but all I think I need to do is practice more, not like I've ever drawn one other than my own before. It's fun trying to get proportions right, and when I'm able to I'm pretty happy with the result. I improved some earlier drawings by using the proportions measuring and it's nice. Can't wait to do more.

>>6624783
Keep going anon.

>>6624754
YOU DIDN'T FIX THE SOLDIERS LEGS, HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOING TO FALL OVER

>>6623482
ty anon, but the composition ain't mine. bumping my question here >>6623464, found out my cheap tablet doesn't have pen tilt. How do I get into the sharp corners of the linework for colouring? Using different layers is kind of unintuitive when trying to cut shapes into the shadow and midtone.
>>6624783
based fun-having anon. maybe consider using a pen to draw, restating rather than erasing parts of the image that are out of proportion. I found that it was better for drawing momentum when working through Keys

Everytime I start drawing my girlfriend starts pestering me for sex.

Is it because she feels inferior when I'm staring at naked ladies constantly?

>>6624791
BUT ANON, I DID CHANGE THEM THROUGH THE SKETCHES. The legs are a bit different now, and most importantly I changed the pose so it was better balanced (head more to the center, leg a tiny more spread..)

Idk maybe you're right but I can't imagine it

>>6624806
It feels like either his right leg needs to be out more or his ribcage needs to lean onto his left leg more.

>>6624354
>thick lipped baboon niggers
why would you want to

>>6624790
Thanks
>>6624797
>maybe consider using a pen to draw, restating rather than erasing parts of the image that are out of proportion
I'll try that for my next one and see how I feel about it. I just did the figure quickly in the first minute and rubbing out was done to basically only on the initial sketch. I thought of it more of a guideline to where I should probably be drawing more than anything.

>>6624284
>>6624457
^Actual good shit gets completely ignored while shit like >>6623776 gets 5 instant (You)s from blind coomers. Lmaoing hard at this thread and everyone in it, especially those thinking this is a good place to receive feedback. I've seen people who post masterworks in comparison to 99% of this entire board get absolutely lambasted for the stupidest shit while the most pre/beg/ vile coomer shit gets a pass and 10 (You)s. Every 'critique' here is a coinflip written by a guy that doesn't even draw himself and has 0 artistic observational ability.

>>6624859
ah yes the classic "vgh good shit like this gets ignored >>1488 (You)" samefag post.

>>6624867
Unironically not my post, just an observation. You must be one of those coomers I was talking about.

Head sketches are still very hard but I'm picking up a few things each time.

>ignore the inking, I only did it so it would show up better on the meme

how long should a nib last usually

>>6624886
500-1000 hours of drawing. About the mileage I get from mine (wacom intuos S) before they start to become annoying to use. You can sort of tell when you "feel" it bumping and scraping weirdly.

>>6624890
fuck

>>6624902
I don't get that much out of them either

>>6624902
I press very lightly

>>6624886
first couple wear out faster until the paper texture gets worn in and becomes more smooth. then the nibs last a lot longer

>>6624702
>>6624736
thx lads

I am sick and out of work today, but I will get to draw more today because of it.

>>6624932
based, here a famous 4chan fag

Since this thread is still here, I can say that I drew my own face and I realize I look like a male Peggy Hill.

>>6624890
Wtf. I recently bought my first tablet (xp pen artist pro) and the first nib wore out and started scratching in a matter of a few weeks, like not even 100 hours total. Is this why they say not to buy the chinese brands?

>>6624948
New thread >>6624961

>>6624959
Yes. Never buy anything else but wacom.

>>6624962
Thanks, but isn't it a bit premature to make a new thread? This board is slow, plus there are a few postable images before we hit that limit.

>>6624975
The nigger wacom schizo is here again I see.

>>6624978
Kek it's true though, the chinese trash is still a decade behind wacom a 16 year old intuous 3 is better than any modern chinese trash

>>6624959
I got a deco 03 and the nib has lasted me more than 400 hours
What the fuck are you doing with your pen?

I quick sketched my cat, it was very anxiety driven because she could jump up at every moment

>>6625002
I have to press fairly hard to get the max line thickness, but other than that no idea. I wish I could configure it somehow.

>>6624728
draw my request

>>6624702
>>6624736
>Urabechad
What?

oh god why does it feel so painful to show this drawing (i know its bad)