/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6481529]

At what level should you start uploading your artwork online?

[Anonymous No.6481532]

legit who gives a shit. you will be a drop in a bucket

[Anonymous No.6481534]

>>6481532
True, but I am afraid of being cringe.

[Anonymous No.6481535]

>>6481529
Just do it faggot

[Anonymous No.6481540]

>>6481534
Anon, I've drawn and posted cringe shit. It's that self-awareness of your own cringe that helps motivate you to get better over time.

[Anonymous No.6481541]

>>6481534
Embrace the cringe, your a artist, people will and probably already find your very existence cringe. Just dont publicly doxx yourself and you can always delete your account later.

[Anonymous No.6481544]

>>6481529
every day you don',t you lose

[Anonymous No.6481548]

>>6481541
That seems necessary for any sort of online presence. I envy the people who can just upload anything without worrying at all.
>>6481540
Good point.

[Anonymous No.6481605]

start uploading when you're level 35

[Anonymous No.6481607]

>>6481529
When u pass the tutorial island. For some it could be level 1 for others level 999+

[Anonymous No.6481624]

>>6481529
When you can consistently make full illustrations by yourself for yourself so you don’t get in the “but I worked so hard on that why does it have only 2 likes” phase.

[Anonymous No.6481640]

finally, a reason to post this

[Anonymous No.6481642]

Every level. If you don't like where you were, just rebrand in the future

[Anonymous No.6481650]

>>6481529
at level 2

[Anonymous No.6481791]

>>6481640
Can someone elaborate on what he meant by this? What happened to those friends of his who "disappeared"? Did they retire from the art industry entirely?

[Anonymous No.6481825]

>>6481624
>tfw went through this exact phase one day ago
i even refrained from uploading anything for years...damn. guess it's back in the box. although to be honest, i'm happy that two people even bothered to like it. me included, that's enough to fill an elevator with enough people so that it's comfy but not too cramped. is that a gmi mindset?

[Anonymous No.6481829]

>>6481791
he killed them dude

[Anonymous No.6481836]

>>6481529
Start uploading before you think you're ready. It's good motivation and you'll improve before you know if you're showing others your art. Either that or you'll quit, but you won't waste time.

[Anonymous No.6481958]

>>6481529
>tfw can only copy stuff decently, not make original content
what's even the point of uploading stuff then

[Anonymous No.6482007]

>>6481624
I don't expect any instant gratification from social media. That's part brand building, part gamble thanks to the algorithm.

[Anonymous No.6482008]

>>6481958
Normies like that, unironically. Just copy a photo of a celebrity and you will get the upvotes on Instagram.

[Anonymous No.6482012]

>>6481958
DRAW from IMAGINATION as MUCH as you CAN.

---Vilppu

[Anonymous No.6482015]

>>6481958
Do krenz anon, if you can copy things but not create original content, you are at the beggining of your journey

[Anonymous No.6482023]

>>6482015
>krenz
Quick rundown?

[Anonymous No.6482060]

>>6481529
The sooner the better. Having a nice "diary" of your progress for everyone to see is always a good thing.
Unless if you are an easily discourageable pussy (lack of interaction from fans and similar stuff). Then just keep waiting until you give up on drawing.

[Anonymous No.6482081]

>>6482060
That's a good idea. What platform should I use?

[Anonymous No.6482184]

>>6481791
Pulling it out of my ass, but I think he meant that they would refrain from posting before they would get to a level that they consider to be good enough.
Which, as a surprise to nobody, ended up being never, so they all likely quit or are still yet to post anything.

[Anonymous No.6482189]

>>6482081
As many as you are willing to. The more you use, the more people will get to see your shit.

[Anonymous No.6482199]

>>6481529
You, optimally, never

[Anonymous No.6482201]

>>6481791
it's as shrimple as that

[Anonymous No.6482209]

>>6482012
is that actually something he says?

[Anonymous No.6482218]

>>6482023
Not that anon but krenz is an art teacher that emphases copying as a foundational skill because if you can’t even copy not even Jesus can teach you the skills needed to become a pro

[Anonymous No.6482222]

>>6482218
>>6482023
>>6482015
It's not the "krenz" method, retard. Krenz did not invent observational techniques that have been taught at art schools for centuries. He merely elucidated the retarded weebs who couldn't do basic things like sight angles, use plumb lines, measure comparatively, or any of the common ways of accurately recording what one sees. I was telling people in /asg/ to get on that stuff ASAP (several people were) and none of those perma/beg/s paid any attention until they heard the very same thing from the mouth of their lord and savior.

[Anonymous No.6482226]

>>6482222
Based quads.
And yeah, there's entire books and courses dedicated to the subject, like Keys to Drawing, but weebs are allergic to learning from trad masters.

[Anonymous No.6482233]

>>6482209
I'm not sure but Vilppu himself said that he mostly draws from imagination unless he teaches students. But he's Vilppu he's a god.
Personally I think mixing imagination and refs is the best idea.

[Anonymous No.6482245]

>>6482222
I mean krenz has a portfolio of anime artwork + reputation as a good art teacher that he can point to to validate his claim that copying is important while you the random anon has nothing obviously they are going to listen to Krenz instead of you even if both of you are saying the same thing

[Anonymous No.6482250]

>>6482222
Truth

[Anonymous No.6482253]

i have a twitter that i post for more than a year and still dont got even a single like in anything and i do not give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.6482254]

>>6482245
Plenty of anime artists before krenz said it. Hell it says it right in the fucking header of the /asg/ general, and yet somehow that place was home to several rabid "anti-copy" fags. I remember taking my time to copy and paste quotes from good anime artists who said they copied their favorite manga front to back when they were kids, even. It just seems like the /asg/ shitters didn't quite get it until someone packaged it up as the Krenz Method (TM). There was even one photo circulating (mostly reposted by one determined anon who probably no longer hangs around this doomed board) about a jap who "raved" about the efficacy of copying, and how it helped him go from /beg/ to passing Ghibli's animation test in the span of 2 years. I'll see if I can find it. Point is that people, asians that is, have been promoting strong observational skills forever, but it only seems to have hit home very suddenly in the last year or two.

[Anonymous No.6482259]

>always goes back to muh a jeans
why are they like this?

[Anonymous No.6482289]

>>6482218
>>6482222
Well, that is how every artist learned to do anything until very recently.

[Anonymous No.6482383]

>>6481529
from day 1. In the rare case you actually make it you can always purge the old shit or simply "hide" it (scraps, removing it from featured...). Almost nobody will scroll long enough on your common gallery websites to see your old stuff anyway.

In my case i can just make default filter to be rating>5 and how many casual viewers will even realize they dont see everything?

post your stuff or die!
https://pawell2418.github.io/

>>6482253
post the handle, i will follow and like, this is how i got most of my current "fanbase" anyway. Its like a sad beg circle of drawers who follow each other and give each other pity likes lololo

[Anonymous No.6482496]

>>6482383
This is a good wisdom.

[Anonymous No.6482516]

>>6481640
Real translation is: "Seriously speaking, I, a man who was not only convinced that my paintings were at a minimum level but also that I was a genius and continued to present them, despite the fact that I was not very good at it, have managed to survive. Expression is such a world."

[Anonymous No.6483018]

>>6481529
when your prompts are good enough then you have permission to post art online

[Anonymous No.6483035]

>>6482254
Please post. Love this kinda shit and helps sooth 'copying anxiety'.

[Anonymous No.6483087]

>>6483035
NTA but I have an issue with the same thing so I collect things that "validate" it so I'll just sit down and do it. Pretty sure it's the guy from that Anime Shijuku book/YouTube channel
https://animesijyuku.blogspot.com/2018/05/blog-post_73.html
The hide channel guy also has a video showing his copies and studies from when he was younger:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AzhsCsLr14

[Anonymous No.6483106]

>>6481529
Day 0, get it over with

[Anonymous No.6483253]

>>6483035
What this anon posted >>6483087 was what I was talking about. Here's what was always copypasted to back up the image:

"Fundamentals before anime" is a kind of sequential thinking that creates artists who simply can't draw anime. You can use anime to study your fundamentals. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also study realism and anime simultaneously.

Pic related is from the foreword of that popular アニメ私塾 book by a guy in the Japanese anime industry. See the triangle?
>上手い絵の模写: 上手い人の絵の記号(絵のパターン)を手に入れる
>Copying good drawings: acquiring the symbols of skilled people's drawings (the patterns of the drawings)
>実物の線画化:実物を理解することで、上手い人の絵が理解できる
>Real life drawing: by understanding real life, we can understand skilled people's drawings
>創作活動全般: 落書きや作品制作
>General original creation: sketching, complete OC works etc

Quote from the foreword:
>こうして、学生時代は「自主制作アニメを作る」「上手い絵の模写」「実物の線画化」のトライアングルを繰り返すことで劇的に上達していき、絵を描き始めてからわずか3年でスタジオジブリの入社試験に合格することができました。
>In this way, I made extreme progress during my school years by repeating a triangle of doing my own original anime drawings, copies of good drawings, and life drawings, and only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

He was 19 when he started drawing.

Pic related also shows drawings from before he started practising deliberate copying as well as his original anime drawings from ~2 years after that.


Thus ends the copypasta. All this is to say, it's not the "Krenz" method, and if you see someone referring it as such you would do well to gently correct them.

[Anonymous No.6483268]

>>6481534
there's a lot of bad art online, no one really cares about it unless you're an asshole or annoying

[Anonymous No.6483628]

>>6481529
Never. Ideally you want a IRL patron like the pope.

[Anonymous No.6483636]

>>6481534
My cringe stuff got and gets more support and comms than my non-cringe so I decided to rather be cringe

[Anonymous No.6483641]

>>6483636
One man's cringe is another man's soul.

[Anonymous No.6483650]

>>6483641
Yeah i think anons' concept of cringe is pretty twisted. In art and expressing yourself you rather keep the cringe and kill the part in you that cringes. It's same with how in middle and high school those people who tried to come off cool and mature failed while those who didn't try succeeded being cool and mature.

[Anonymous No.6484133]

>>6483087
Ok, so I'm not the only one great. Yeah, I used to have links saved on my iPod when artists (and writers) were very transparent in how directly they used their inspirations. Still sometimes go out to find the clips where Rapoza and Kopinski talked and encouraged copying. 'It will still be you at the end of the day.'. I just always had a paranoia that the things I copied, once recalled from imagination would get the internet art drama fiends right at my gate calling me a 'plagiarist', also along side worrying that my art 'wasn't good enough to post'. I remember really wanting to post to CA.org back in my early teens, but while Miles Johnson was getting mad Concept Art gains, I was dealing with this anxiety. The good thing about the internet, Youtube especially is getting to see artists workflow were they use references and where they talked about copying as a youth. Would have been nice to know earlier, but now I'm just making up for lost time.
>>6483253
Wish his book, videos and blog were available in English I would love to glean from his experiences. Japanese speakers are very lucky.

[Anonymous No.6484885]

I know it's fearful to put art work out there, that you feel isn't god enough yet, but it's also cool to have a gallery you can look back on where you (any other people) can see your progress.

Looking at sketchbooks of pro and seeing they were beg like you were, is super encouraging. It shows you it's possible and you can overcome your hurdles. You just need to keep drawing. :)

>I really wish Concept Art.org sketchbooks were saved.

[Anonymous No.6486517]

>>6482015
Link to his work?

[Anonymous No.6486534]

>>6481791
vaxx

[Anonymous No.6486758]

>>6481529
Some people post since they were /beg/inners.

I mean, its not like you gonna be cancelled for being bad at drawing or anything.