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Hiro best Hidamari

>>10664111
>Is it solely because of selfish reasons like being able to understand VNs and read manga, and whatnot?

Eroge, yes. Porn/sex is the ultimate motivator.

Even Japan recognizes how shitty their language is and many scholars think it's on the way out. Ever notice how their keyboards are in English? Japanese is one of the shittiest language in existence for typing.

Amazing thread, OP.

>Why is Japanese so needlessly complicated?

It isn't. What you really mean is "different to English" (and other Romance languages).

>Even English is better as it provides an easy way to convey your reasoning and to communicate with the rest of the world.

So does every language. This is why language exists.

>What can possibly justify having thousands of different combinations of strokes under the form of kanji?

What can possibly justify having hundreds of thousands of different combinations of letters we call "words"?

>Moreso, why are people willing to learn that pile of crap and basically waste their life on such a useless thing? Is it solely because of selfish reasons like being able to understand VNs and read manga, and whatnot?

For people here, yes, but Japan is also big business and 1.92% of the world population are native Japanese speakers.

yes
also stroke order is a joke top to bottom
that said I still prefer chinese where grammar is such a joke that you can arrange the phrases of a sentence into any order with or without adding the correct particles and everyone will still be fine with it

also jap uses traditional most the time instead of simplified so you can guess the meaning and the sound by looking at the radical and rest of the kanji

tl;dr: you suck dick at chinese

Le feels when foreign subverters try to learn 標準粵語.

>>10664128
Now take the gh from though, the o from people, the t from ballet and the i from business.

You don't even pronounce the word. People just have to guess you said it.

ENGLISH.

>>10664120
Yes, friend. That's precisely why I created this thread - to find an answer to the questions in the OP which I failed to do on my own.

>>10664124
Thank you for your answer!

>>10664128
>It isn't. What you really mean is "different to English" (and other Romance languages).
Not really. I meant exactly what I said, that the language is excessively complicated.

Yes, Japan is has a big and important economy, but I can assure you that it communicates in English with the rest of the world.

>>10664129
Yes, Chinese and Korean are good examples of better non-latin languages.

op there's a reason why english is also the lengua franca, the language of trades over seas world wide

>>10664150
>>>/guangdong/
>>>/hongkong/

>>10664158
>the language is excessively complicated.

So is English.

Hell, so are most languages to varying degrees.

Go learn Lojban.

>>10664111
The Japs are just fucking idiots that's why.

>hey let's steal 1000 Chinese Hanzi
>hey let's create some more alphabets
>let's randomly mix all of it together with those Chinese characters
>let's write right to left even though most Asian countries stopped that shit several centuries ago

>>10664158
English is also excessively complicated.

>>10664150
>粵
wtf rikaichan, whats this mean

>>10664161

Yes, that's true. However, why are otakus so ready to jump on the nip dick? It's way better to hold your ground and insist the japs to translate their shit in English. Instead you are eager to suck the tiny yellow dick and things only get worse.

Hiragana exists for people like you.

You can get pretty far just learning hiragana, but don't expect everything to cater to you.

Is Japanese a standardised language? As in, does it have some governing body like the Royal Spanish Academy or the French Academy that decides what is and isn't correct?

>>10664181
it means spicy food and the chinese equivalent of rednecks

>>10664182
>It's way better to hold your ground and insist the japs to translate their shit in English
i'd be HELLa happy if rustle released something already in english

>>10664182
I appreciate status quo.

That feel when you can't learn Japanese.

I don't even understand the anki cards and the fact I don't know the vocab when trying to learn grammar depresses me.

HELLA dum people itt

why is sad panda sad?

>>10664283
Because you did not login and clean your cookies.

>>10664286

Is this just a troll I've been falling for for years?

Login to e-hentai, clear ALL cookies, go to exhentai, and this is all I get. Even if I login to e-hentai and then clear ALL cookies including the ehentai one and go to exhentai, which I know especially wouldn't work but whatever, won't work either.

This happens if I login and do the same via g.e-hentai.org

I just use the script, but still, what the fuck.

>>10664306

Forgot pic.

>>10664306
>Login to e-hentai, clear ALL cookies

You're doing it backwards.

I don't get why this is hard to understand. Cookies are pieces of information on your computer that certain websites can access. Make sure you have no ExHentai cookies. Go to E-Hentai. Make an account and log in. You now have an E-Hentai cookie with some sort of identifier to say you're registered and logged in. Now go to ExHentai. Because you have that cookie, you'll be able to access the site.

>>10664306

good morning tractor

>>10664319

What do you think I literally just said faggot?

>>10664331
he thinks you just said
1 ehentai
2 cookies
3 exhentai

then said
1 cookies
2 ehentai
3 exhentai

>>10664111
> why are people willing to learn that pile of crap
hahaha. stop complaining and do your reps.

>>10664319

(Clearing all cookies, logging into (g.)e-hentai.org, and going to exhentai does not work either. I fail to see how it would be different from logging into (g.)e-hentai, clearing all cookies except for the ehentai one, and going to exhentai anyway)

>>10664328

It is always night-time in my heart.

>>10664340
Some browsers don't work, so you have to just give up sometimes.
I had to ;_;

>>10664346

http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/index.php/815/exhentai-chrome-plugin-get-past-sad-panda.html

I think it has something to with your stats on the e-hentai account.

>>10664179
1. Hiragana existed first. it is the original Japanese.
2. There are more then a thousand.
3. It is not random. There are clear rules for the use of Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji.
4. They don't write right to left. They write top to bottom or left to right.

lrn2nihongo

>>10664399
but you read manga from left to right idiot

Do your reps, maggot.

you need to close the exhentai and g.e.hentai tabs on your browser when you clear your cookies. afterwards login on g.e.hentai and then go to exhentai. if you have either of these pages open when you clear your cookies then it won't work.

>>10664187
>Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers

Those faggots removed the hiragana for wi and we...

>why are people willing to learn that pile of crap and basically waste their life on such a useless thing?
>Yes, friend. That's precisely why I created this thread - to find an answer to the questions in the OP which I failed to do on my own.

you don't even know why you're learning japanese?

just give up already

He seriously stated that a tonal language without a syllabic component to it's written form makes more sense than Japanese. Why the hell would you aim a response in OP's direction?

>>10664399
>1. Hiragana existed first. it is the original Japanese.
Hiragana and katakana are both derived from Chinese characters.
>4. They don't write right to left. They write top to bottom or left to right.
Top to bottom is also right to left, though.

>>10664161
Yes, and that's because of historical conquests, not because the language is easy, you fucking moron.

>>10664306
stop being computer illiterate

>>10664464
>vlc
>not burichan
>botnet search engine
whqt

>>10664464

I'm not computer illiterate nor retarded. I probably know more technology wise than you.

English is already known to be the most difficult language to learn as a second language, by far. It is seriously retarded.

>>10664482
vlc is superior for non-animated media.
mpc is superior for animated media.

>>10664464
He didn't ask if exhentai was a troll you FUCKING IDIOT, just the cookie thing. He clearly said he uses the site using the script.

Thanks for the useless screenshot though, dude.

>>10664488
Then why are you unable to solve your own problems you cheeky little cunt.

>>10664488
and you can't defeat the sad panda

>>10664482
>implying VLC is bad.

>>10664499
>non-animated media
I think this board is a bit to weeb for you kido.

>>10664499
>vlc is superior for non-animated media.
citation etc

>>10664505
>>10664503

I can login to exhentai anytime I want. I do not have a problem getting into exhentai.

I only have a problem getting in via the "clear your cookies" bullshit.

>>10664488
You know, even I managed to do some script wizardry to fix sad panda. It didn't take much to figure out either.

>>10664488
Is this actually Trevor? His posting style seems different.

>>10664464
>>10664503
>>10664505
>>10664522
jesus christ do you all suffer from brain damage

>>10664520
>>10664527
that damage control

How the flipping HECK do I learn kana?

There's all these symbols and then some of them have more symbols with little lines and circles.

Am I actually an idiot for not being able to memorize dozens of abstract symbols?

>why are people willing to learn that pile of crap and basically waste their life on such a useless thing?
why not? i want to understand what those fags from niconico are saying some day. those guys are funny.
and yep, porn

>>10664522

You wrote a script yourself for this? If so congratulations. If you're talking about installing one, and calling it wizardry, you're retarded.

You also can't read apparently.

>>10664111
English is also needlessly complicated. Unlike Japanese, pronunciation of words is not intuitive and very backwards. I doubt any language is trivial to learn. Just don't complain and get to work.

>>10664530
do your reps.

>>10664530
Yes, since you did the same thing when you were a kid with the alphabet.

>>10664538
Joke’s on you, he uses speech input and text to speech synthesizers.

>>10664529
If not being retarded and being able to read is called damage control now, then yes, I am doing damage control.

>>10664306
>I just use the script, but still, what the fuck.

>>10664543
waaa waaa

please get out

>>10664530
yup. it took me about a month to memorize everything except ち　and さ because I am dyslexic and cant memorize mirror images. Now its fine though.

Stop the bullying at once.

>>10664545

シソツジ

>>10664548
buttflustered nergin backpedalling lmao

>>10664541
Fuck this gay earth

>>10664552
Ｇｅｔ　ｏｕｔ　ｃｒｏｓｓｂｏａｒｄｅｒ．

>>10664558
nice emoticons bro

>>10664559

ｌｅ　ｓｅｃｒｅｔ　ｔｅｘｔ

>>10664560

thanks

I wish more languages emphasized phonetics and consistency. Serbian seemed pretty cool.

>>10664558
that is the dumbest example ever. At least use ン and ソ

>>10664111
English is shit. Spanish master race.
Also, if the writing is all you care about in order to learn a language then why don't you go and learn korean? It has the best writing system of all the bunch. You could probably learn to read it in a day.

>>10664568
>learn corean
i dont want to get brainwashed into eating dog

>>10664559
whoa you pulled out ｔｈｅ ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ ｔｅｘｔ. just how fukin MAD do you need to be lmbo

>>10664580
is that valkyria chronicles? I just started playing that game and I think it is really good. Little bit too easy though.

>>10664586
2 gets hard postgame
3 has a hard postgame and about 1 difficult mission per chapter (or at least difficult to Srank)
especially in the postgame missions where all you have is nameless soldiers at rank 1 classes

and imca is op

>>10664564
>>10664580
Ｙｏｕ　ａｒｅ　ｎｏｔ　ｆｕｎｎｙ，　ｇｅｔ　ｏｕｔ　ｃｒｏｓｓｂｏａｒｄｅｒ．

>>10664558
>Gasoline in katakana
howhorrifying.avi

>Japanese
>needlessly complicated
>English
>Better

>>10664598
english has 26 letters. japanese has few thousands.

you have to memorize all of them in each language.

>>10664605
If you think English isn't needlessly complicated, then you probably learned it from video games, and don't actually know shit.

>>10664605
I said it earlier the thread
but...
RADICALS
also 2 sets of kana combines to about the same as capital letters and lower case

>>10664610
radicals don't show meaning for the word in japanese what fuck is bullshit?

>>10664609
Come back after you've learned German

>>10664609
i've been learning it since i was 7, both at school and from english cartoon network with a dictionary in hand, since in the early 90s there weren't any good ones in my native language thanks to fucking commies.

it's my secondary language. these days i think in both my native language and english interchangeably.

>>10664595
What are you reading? ガソリン

>>10664628
Look at that shit.
Especially when you have to write it down.

Once you get the hang of it, Japanese is much easier than English.

try learning finnish

>>10664525
Of course he isn't.

>>10664568
Any romance language is also shit due to gender.

>>10664605
But you have to memorize each word for pronunciation purposes, anyway.

>>10664645
I'm not far enough along to conclusively say that, but for spoken casual purposes it does seem that way.

>>10664712
Are you retarded? If you said conjugations or endless tenses I'd understand, but gender?

>>10664719
gender is obnoxious.
it's not like there isn't a very long list of whats wrong with each language. it's not like I couldn't list more. I don't know of a perfect language.

>>10664719
>>10664724

It doesn't even surprise me a tripfaggot is retarded. The weird shit in Spanish is basically stuff like preterites and general shit that comes with passive voices.

>>10664731
Don't get so easily upset over forum postings champ. People have different opinions.

>>10664740
The difference is probably that I know much more than you given than Beanerish is my native languange. If you're wrong, you're wrong.

>>10664743
You can keep your 'right' opinion to yourself.

>>10664111

Looks like somebody fell for the heisig ruse

>>10664743
I'm not a native English speaker and I'm pretty sure I know more about why it's bullshit than 90% of all English speakers. You know, since I had to learn it by myself.

So that's kind of faulty logic.

>>10664743
Spanish is my native language too (>>10664719). And yes, I agree with what you said. Gender can be confusing to someone who isn't familiarized with the concept, but it's just a matter of basic rules (a/o - feminine/masculine) and memorization. Passive voices of pluperfect subjunctive can be hard to get, but gender?

>>10664754
Okay mom, you sure can tell me what to do with my time.

>>10664762
Eat your vegetables, too!

>>10664759
This conversation was not actually about gender being difficult. Just that it is something that I don't like.

>>10664773
Gender and number make ommiting subjects easier. They're not there for the sake of making things unnecessarily complex.

>>10664753
Doubt it. You can learn English to a level sufficient to understand most things without actually getting to the reasons why it's retarded.

>>10664780
I doubt any language is purposefully complex. But things tend to get complicated one way or another anyway.

>>10664803
>I doubt any language is purposefully complex.
How should one respond to this?

Japanese could become way easier if they started using spaces between words and getting rid of Kanji.

>>10664865
Here we go again.

>>10664865
How true. Why bother learning Chinese (Kanji) when you have your own writing system now that can be used with your pronunciation?

>>10664111
It's not that hard.

>>10664886
>>10664865
I hope they enjoy all their legal documents being ambiguous as fuck.

>>10664865
Who decides where the spaces will go? >>10664865 shouldn't, since
you don't even know enough about japanese to know why this is an issue.

"Teach me japanese" threads aren't otaku culture and are invariably shit. Why can't we just ban these fucking threads and everyone in them, me included for being stupid enough to bother responding.

>>10664928

edgey :)

>>10664928
>Who decides where the spaces will go?
what the fuck kind of stupid ass question is that

>>10664991
Shut up, faget

>>10664918
>>10664928

Whoever writes puts the spaces. What I'm saying is, If you combine 3 characters into one Kanji, why not use those 3 characters instead and add a space before and after it. If Romaji is legible and understandable, I don`t see why Hiragana and Katakana only with spaces wouldn't.

>>10664991
Do you know japanese?

>>10665008
Spaces only remove the ambiguity of finding out where words end and begin, it doesn't change the fact that thouse 3 hiragana can mean multiple things.

>>10665032
yes

again, what the fuck kind of stupid ass question is that

>>10664865
>getting rid of Kanji.
That would make it harder

>wahh kanji is too hard, they should abolish it and learn my native language

>>10665038

That's where it starts being needlesly complicated all over again.

>>10665052
You just don't know the language

>>10665049
But Kanji isn't native anyways.

>>10665058
you're an idiot

>>10665038
Wouldn't context tell you what the words are inferring to? After all English has homophones too.

>>10665038
yeah

people can't understand each other when they're speaking in japanese because every word can mean multiple things

also no other language has homonyms

<make as many excuses possible to justify not learning japanese and continue being a shitty peasant guzzingly translator cockmilk
<this thread

>>10665183

Thanks for oversimplifyng a legitimate disussion.

>>10665235
The discussion is made mostly of trolling and shitposting.

>>10665183
I sometimes feel pity for people who got crushed by books in school. Then I remember how boisterous, shameless and rude they were and forget about the whole thing.

Why couldn't they just eat it? I certainly ate their shit.

Can someone explain what's going on here? Except the fact I'm using ankidroid.

Japanese is one of the easiest languages out there. You must be really idiotic.

>>10665309
Easier than what? Navajo?

>>10665309
Easy to read, you mean.

>>10665314
Easier than almost every single language out there. Writing isn't "difficult", it just takes time. It's phonetics are really easy to grasp, it's very easy to discern each word from the other, and the grammar is a fucking joke.

>>10665329
What makes it so easy? Are the verbs all really regular or cases easy or something?

http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/

>>10665280
You appear to be looking a card derived from the Kanjidamage page for the "Products" (品) kanji

What's the issue?

>>10665398
Call me stupid or whatever
I honestly just don't understand the layout

>>10665329
Let's see you write a book in Japanese.

>>10665409
Just read through this page
http://kanjidamage.com/howto

It's actually much easier to understand than it looks, but the short version is:
>The kanji itself
>Onyomi
>Kunyomi
>Jukugo

Other than that, just click on one of the buttons on the bottom according to how well you understand it

>>10664111
why does Yuno look so fat here?

>>10665309
Dull your edges. Japanese is difficult as fuck.

>>10665481
it's not

>>10665490
It's going to need more than your say so

>>10665490
it is

I know you're an epic 1337 genius who learned 500 kanji a day and became fluent in a week, but us normal people have to put in hundreds of hours.

>>10665481
Kanjis are difficult...
And thats almost all. The phonetics are very simple, grammar is easier than english or spanish. Its just that learning any language takes a lot of time.

Counting its another thing that is a bit nasty in nihongo

I wish I had wasted my time on Spanish or French instead.

>>10665431
Thank you, finally I can actually do my reps

>>10665546
>kanjis

and your opinion is invalidated

>>10665549
Why? So you can communicate with subhuman trash?

>>10665629
I find them more useful than Japanese. Shame that neither Spain nor France produce media that is worthy of my consumption.

>>10665503
>>10665508
>subject/object/verb structure
>particles
>kanji, kana, jukugo, onyomi, kunyomi, etc..
>hard

it's not, you are just lazy. sometimes you can even omit words from a sentence and use a single verb. pay attention to particles. do your reps.

>>10665685
There is no fixed structure in japanese.

>>10665688
i'm aware it's flexible. i think people starting to learn japanese should use that order first.

>>10665634
Neither does Japan

>>10665685
you must not actually talk to japanese people

>>10665685

Who are you trying to impress?

>>10665626
The funny thing about kanjis and japanese is that the language itself is very poor, so its like adding a shitload of frosting to an awfull cake

>>10665546
>counting
>nasty
Being that retarded.
Whats there to know other then you stop at ten thousand.

>>10665750
How can a language be poor. What the fuck are you linguists on about?

>>10665737
>>10665744
You contribute nothing. Please get out.

>>10665750
>kanjis
>s
haha oh wow.

>>10665773
>he doesn't know what kanjis are

>>10665773
Saying "it's easy" doesn't contribute anything either. Just because you put in a lot of work to be at a level where can say the language is easy for you, that doesn't suddenly make it an easy language to learn.

And so what exactly is the advantage of learning Japanese instead of Chinese, Spanish, French or Korean? Oh yea, fucking porno comics and cartoons with cute girls in them. Hurr hurr xD

>>10665799
It's not easy to learn for those that don't like working hard, but in a linguistic point of view, it's an easy language.

>>10665821
What languages are difficult to learn for native English speakers?

>>10665819

The benefit of being able to communicate with kawaii Japanese girls :3

>>10665819
But... but... I already know Spanish.

>>10665831
Are there no kawaii American girls?

>>10665846

Now learn Chinese to be able to properly greet your future overlords.

>>10665799
>Just because you put in a lot of work
You have no will to learn.

>>10665819
Korean is shit and is even more complicated than japanese. I know the Spanish and French, and China should be destroyed.

>>10665864
Brain surgery is easy if you put in enough work. Anything is. Saying so is meaningless.

>>10665821
This is so fucking flawed.

Japanese is hard in the sense that is incredibly tedious and requires at least twice as much memorization as any other language. On the grammar side, everything is always implied/context based. Most romance languages are a lot easier on that side (especially Spanish), except for conjugation in certain languages (such as French).

I've learned 4 languages (including Japanese). Japanese is not easy by any stretch of the imagination when you actually compare it to other languages, but some monolingual pleb who pretends to know Japanese (>>10665685)
wouldn't actually know about that.

>>10665867
are you trying to imitate a jap nationalist?

>>10665867

Three languages already, sport? Quite the scholar you are. ;)

>>10665851
The few girls that are cute, at normal weight, and are not slutty all have boyfriends.

>>10665880

Calm down. He might be 60 and this is life's work

>>10665880
Spanish is my native language and I know English since I was like 7. French is just like Spanish, just pronounced differently and more simple.

>>10665864
Are you fucking illiterate?

>>10665874
such mediocrity.

>>10665876
>but some monolingual pleb who pretends to know Japanese
>japanese is too hard
hahaha you are just assuming things. fuck off.

>>10665899
which languages?

>>10665799
Learning a language its not easy by any means. Learning japanese is easier than other languages

>>10665891
Fuck you, you aren't me

>>10665896
Prove him wrong. I want to see a Japanese-off.

>>10665896
You are a huge fucktard. Please fuck off back to the /a/ Japanese language threads.

>>10665896
I like how you didn't actually address anything, you just carefully dodged the post.

>>10665891
>Spanish is my native language
>Japanese is hard.
Seriously you are an imbecile. Pronunciation is piss easy. Spanish is also my first language too, just because Japanese it's not a romance language is not impossible to learn.

>>10665920
Who ever mentioned japanese is hard? I bet you're an argentinian.

>>10665920
>Spanish is also my first language too, just because Japanese it's not a romance language is not impossible to learn.
Yeah...

Considering your skill level in English, I really doubt you even come close to fluency in Japanese (hell, I bet you wouldn't pass the JLPT3).

>>10665906
>>10665907
I won't even bother replying to weaklings.
>>10665919
I like how you just assume things. "Pleb", "monolingual". And I must take you seriously? Haha.

Japanese: Tedious? Lots of memorization? Yeah. Hard? No. Tedious should be the correct description. You don't like my answer? fuck off then.

It doesn't matter how hard or time-consuming Japanese is. The point is that it is almost useless, save for the few translating Visual Novels and reading manga. You are better off learning a language with a practical value like Spanish, French, English, German, Chinese. And even if you know these, it is still better to spend time learning something else, not useless chink-chonk.

>>10665876
> everything is always implied/context based
But that only makes it easier for non native speakers, even japanese are going to have trouble understanding a phrase without context.

>>10665953
>German
>French

wat

>>10665958
That doesn't make any sense. Please explain.

>>10665945
>Considering your skill level in English, I really doubt you even come close to fluency in Japanese (hell, I bet you wouldn't pass the JLPT3).

I'M A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE no one ever mastered japanese before. look at me i'm the best because i took jlpt3.

i bet you are full of shit.

>>10665959

You know, meaningful languages. Maybe in 'Murica you can go by with simply Spanish and that's enough to go and buy hot pockets from Wallmart, but in the rest of the world it's not enough.

>>10665953
All those languages are useless, except for chinese. If you want to talk to an intelligent person they should know at least some basic English, so it's not even close to useful.

>>10665971
>German

to speak with some shit tier europeans?

>French

to speak with some shittier tier europeans and niggers?

>>10665956
This guy thinks he's courage wolf

>>10665956
>Japanese: Tedious? Lots of memorization? Yeah. Hard? No. Tedious should be the correct description. You don't like my answer? fuck off then.
Please tell me, what is a language that's hard to learn? What makes a language hard to learn? Why is Japanese ``easier''?

>>10665967
I wasn't bragging about anything, just making fun of you. You don't even know what level the JLPT3 is, do you? Nobody would ever brag about being able to pass the JLPT3. Your English is just really, really bad, so I really doubt you've learned Japanese.

>>10665920
Pronunciation isn't the hardest thing about Japanese, faglord. Native speakers of romance languages will normally struggle with Kanji. I'll agree that the rest is easy, though, Kana is even competely phonetic and their grammar is NOTHING compared to, say, French, Portuguese or German.

>>10666006
The langauge itself isn't hard at all. The problem is how the japanese think and context.

No language is "hard". You just aren't trying hard enough. Besides, we've had such a huge exposure to the Japanese language that chances are it would be easier for the average /jp/edo to learn it than it would be for one of us to study, say, German, which is much closer to English as far as language families go.

>>10666021
You don't know japanese.

>>10666028
True. I also don't know German. Yet I learnt all Kana in five days and I can't even write a german word after a month.

>>10665995
>I wasn't bragging about anything
>just making fun of you
Nooooo of course you didn't brag at all, i believe you completely.

>JLPT3
i know what it is. what is google?
do you think that you impress me, special snowflake?

>Your English is just really, really bad, so I really doubt you've learned Japanese.
top lel you are assuming things, just because my english is not 100% grammatically correct does it not mean that i can't learn other languages. also nice way to derail the thread. hahaha.

>>10666021
>If you think something is hard it means you're not trying

please fuck off

>>10666045
>I can't even write a german word after a month

>日本語
>難しい

>>10665755
Poor grammar, take a look at how other languages deal with verbs while in japanese is soooooo fucking simple

Poor phonology, thats the origin of "engrish"

I havent said learning japanese is easy, but without the exceptions and the stupid kanjis japanese is easier than other languages.

>>10666045
>Kana
The thing is japanese isn't your typical language. The grammatical structures are COMPLETELY different from romance languages. There are different kinds of words, and on top of that there's Kanji which makes early learners think it's hell, while it's the easier part.

>Everyone speaks Japanese
>No one posts in it to prove they can

>>10665971
As you just admitted those languages aren't meaningful or useful to someone who doesn't neighbor a country or group of people who speaks it. Besides Quebec I suppose but why the fuck would you want to talk to one of them?

Learning Japanese is just as useful as French or German if you're not western European. Like the actual majority of the world.

>>10666058
>Poor phonology, thats the origin of "engrish"
Anyone have the CUHRR-AAYE-OOOKIII pic?

>>10666006
>normally struggle with Kanji
>normally
Kanji isn't hard at all. It's all about memorization.

>their grammar is NOTHING compared to, say, French, Portuguese or German.
And you complain that Japanese is hard?

>>10666058
>It's simple, so it's bad!
>It's not the same as English's, so it's bad!
Yeah, no.

>>10666066
To his defence, if you're a traveler, then French is vastly useful, specially in Africa. I don't think that applies to most people here, though, so yeah. And German is mostly an European thing. Russian is more useful than it.

>>10665995
>Why is Japanese ``easier''?
You are a faggot, the answer is exposition to Japanese media.

>>10666062
まだ素人だけど、文法は一番難しいことだと思う。

>>10665902
English pronunciation is such a pain for non native speakers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWZO4uU9jIw

>>10666062
天安門
文化大革命

>>10666045
Dude, most people learn Kana in a day....

>>10666101
I did Namasensei's 5 kana a day program.

>>10666101

omgwtf guy did u lern nihonjin in one day two???

>>10665753
>then

>>10666107
^^ i kno rite xD
i has a tomodachi in china he said its hard even for him o.o

>>10665688
Verbs must always be at located at the end of the sentence.

>Why is Japanese so needlessly complicated?
It's not.
>Even English is better as it provides an easy way to convey your reasoning and to communicate with the rest of the world.
Only because you know English but don't know Japanese.
>What can possibly justify having thousands of different combinations of strokes under the form of kanji?
A very limited number of sounds in the language resulting in huge amounts of homophones, among other reasons and kanji isn't even hard (not any harder than say, English spelling) so it's a pointless thing to complain about.
>Moreso, why are people willing to learn that pile of crap and basically waste their life on such a useless thing?
It's not useless if they get thousands of hours of entertainment they enjoy out of it, or whatever other reasons someone uses to decide that for them Japanese is not useless.
>Is it solely because of selfish reasons like being able to understand VNs and read manga, and whatnot?
"Selfish"? Because people learn languages for altruistic reasons or something?

Stay mad that you don't have the dedication to learn Japanese, pleb.

>>10666107
Kana is litteraly the easiest part of japonese.
>>10666110
They musn't. You barely or don't know japanese.

>>10666113

Don't shitpost back, you fucking pederast.

>>10666112
>Because people learn languages for altruistic reasons or something?
I suppose if you wanted to learn Spanish to volunteer to feed the poor in South American countries. So it's possible but yeah that's an unreasonable standard to hold most people to.

>>10666110
grammatically correct japanese should. just watch out for the jlpt3, he is such a pro.

>>10666126
Uh, you don't need to speak in order to feed people. I don't know about other organizations, but at Doctors Without Borders the professionals speak mostly English (making good use of symbols), and their local friends translate if need be.

>>10666125
>pederast
Adolescents are too old

>>10666107
kana is not hard at all, what are you smoking?

>>10666132
Read taekim, please

>>10666137
Well I just assumed that being able to speak to the locals would help.

I don't know, I just pulled it out of my ass. I suppose you're right.

>>10666101
>all kana in a day
>100 kanji per day
this shit is posted in every language thread on /jp/. it's the same guy saying it for 2 yeas, but he supposedly learned perfect fluency in a month 2 years ago.

This whole "I learned kana in a day" shit needs to stop. We should use "master" instead of "learn."

>>10666145
>tae kim
lel

>>10666110
you must not talk to japanese people

>>10666150
Kana is ten times easier than Kanji, considering they have less strokes, no meanings, one reading, and less similarites.

Maybe not in a day, but Kana in a week is very doable. People complaining about similar symbols should just stop and take a quick look at their keyboards.
d b d q
i I l l
TOO HARD

>>10666160
>i must learn shit japanese instead of the grammatically correct one

>>10666159
If I ask him to learn by any other means, I think his small delicate brain will not be able to handle it.

>>10666073
English is not my native language, so yeah

The "engrish" thing started because they dont know how to pronounce sounds with "L" and instead they pronounce them with "R"

For example Link's name in japanese is りんく　(rinku)

Again, japanese its not easy, just easier. Im not saying its dumb or anything, just try to study, take your time and thats it

>>10666174
my sides

you are incredibly fucking naive

>>10666174
You don't know japanese.

>>10664111
>as it provides an easy way to convey your reasoning and to communicate with the rest of the world
>easy to convey
English has (also: posseses) an unneccesarily (also: needlessly, redundantly) large (also: big, great, massive, vast, oversized) vocabulary (also: lexion, word pool) of terms (also: words, expressions) of a multitude (gettin' tired) of origins, much less than Japanese.

>>10666182

I constantly mix these ;_;

>>10666187
>Link's name in japanese is りんく
more like リンク's name in English is Link

>>10666175
hahaha assumptions once again
>look at me i'm special because i know what jlpt3 is and you don't b-but i'm not bragging

>>10666197
Sick autism bro

>>10666187
Japanese hasn't got the voiced th, voiceless th or different sounds for r and l, true. However, there are also phonemes in japanese that aren't used in english (such as the said /r/ sound). If you say japanese phonology is stupid, get ready to also talk shit about spanish, french, and basically every single language that's not english.

>>10666200
>My opinion is SO amazingly awesome, so if any two people or more are against me, they MUST be the same person.

>>10666186
>naive because i say it's better to learn how to write and speak correctly.
ok dude suuure.

>>10666210

I am Russian and I can pronounce every sound well. Nothing is alien to me.

>>10666166
人十中人下兄
so much more difficult lel. if you can do all kana in a day then you should be reading stuff at 5 grade kyouiku kanji. that isn't even talking about how you can find these trolls saying they learn 50 kanji per day.

>>10666218
>against me
is this a debate? oh wait. you are just bragging. you must be really shit.

>they MUST be the same person
please stop samefagging.

>>10666166
人十中人下兄
so much more difficult lel. if you can do all kana in a day then you should be reading stuff at 5 grade kyouiku kanji in a month. that isn't even talking about how you can find these trolls saying they learn 50 kanji per day.

>>10666223
I can't speak russian, but I don't think the two th sounds are in it (/θ/ and /ð/).

>>10666235
>100 a day
>posts 6

>>10666200
My last post in this thread was >>10665995. I stopped arguing with you a while ago because I realized you don't actually know anything about Japanese and you're just ironically shitposting to hide your insecurities.

>>10666110
That's the only rule.

>>10665634
>Shame that neither Spain nor France produce
Couldn't pass that one up sorry.

This is the reason why English speaking countries are so good at inventing new things and why Chinese and Japanese people have no creativity at all, but they're extremely intelligent.

The way that you percieve language is such a fundamental thing. Your language is the foundation of your thoughts. Japanese and Chinese people learn a language which takes a huge amount of memorization and dedication to learn, and even the process of writing the language requires being able to instantly recall thousands of complex memorized details.

English is very different though. There are some confusing rules, but the language itself is simple and requires very little memorization. This promotes more creative thinking because we don't need to be conditioned from birth to train constantly just so we can speak.

Easy to learn languages = Promotes creativity, encourages the discovery of different ways to express the language, and overall makes you a far more creative person who likes to think outside of the box and explore.

Difficult to learn languages with large amounts of memorization = Stifles creativity, you don't experiment and play around with your language because you're never completely comfortable with it, makes you a very dedicated worker who can perform exceptional well, but it's unlikely that you will ever do anything original.

>>10666265
The way the language works has a lot of effect too. I've heard that there's a connection between german philosophy and the language itself.

>>10666265

>>10666265
I disagree. I'll take German as an example. Now, we all know its reputation as a hard language, and the grammar is indeed quite rigid and full of rules. However, you have the freedom to mix and match words creatively, eventually making up new words and expressing yourself differently. In other words, having a rigid structure doesn't stifle creativity, it just forces you to express yourself in a different way.

>>10666250
i'm not the guy claiming i learned all kana in a day or 100 kanji per day.

>>10666265
>dat pseudo-science
Please tell me how memorizing the shapes of English words is any different than memorizing the shapes of Kanji/Hanzi.
After all in most cases it's futile to connect the actual spoken sound value of an English word to a written word.

>>10666265
Except that's complete bullshit because both americans and japanese (and people of every other race) learn to speak their language as a child.

It may take a lot of effort to learn the writing system in japanese, but the spoken language, which is what they actually think in, is in fact far simpler than english.

>>10666265
>Clever Kanji Puns
>Haiku
>Using symbolic Kanji and writing the literal meaning in Furigana
Stifles what?

>>10666263
That wasn't me dumbass.

>>10666292
lel, so funneh

>>10666263
>I realized you don't actually know anything about Japanese.
>the verb goes everywhere
I'm sure your Japanese is disgusting.

>>10666210
Hey hey, calm down, i know english is more complex in phonology than other languages like spanish or french, i fucking know it. Its also easier when dealing with verbs, easier than japanese i think, at least to me it seems there are about the same level

And i dont recall using the word "stupid", just poor or easier, but japanese lack of phonemes is a fact

Fuck, im the first one saying learning japanese its not easy, its just that its difficulty is so fucking overrated because people are like "OMG look at those fucking symbols, i cant understand them, japanese so hard"

>>10666306
>連続したエピソードになっているので、放映時に見逃した人は、この機会にまとめて楽しもう。
Four verbs. There's one in the end, but it can also go pretty much everywhere.

>>10666190
see
>>10666216

>>10666340
see
>>10666190

>>10666323
You didn't wrote that. I knew it. You are a waste of time.

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201303/25030812.html

Japanese isn't adaptable enough. Our alphabet can spell out every single word that exists in any language, the only exception being those weird African languages that are just a bunch of clicking sounds, but Japanese has constantly had to keep patching itself up to stay relevant. They have to use more and more foreign words on a daily basis, but the sounds of their language is limited and even with katakana there are many basic sounds that they have a lot of trouble making.

It's like patching a leak on a dam. It's fine now, but your bridge is degrading more and more because the design of the dam was flawed from the start and didn't account for new challenges that would come with age.

>>10666354
I never said I did, I posted it so you can't argue about muh correct gramar.
Nice 1 on tha googlez :)

>>10666354
>didn't wrote
hue

>>10666366
That's just misinformation. The "English alphabet" can't spell anything, because it is not phonetic. This is why we have IPA, which uses the latin alphabet assigned to phonemes, plus some extra symbols.

>>10666382
"To spell" doesn't mean "to spell phonetically" you pleb.

>>10666390
Spell the spanish word burrito without resorting to /bəˈritoʊ/ or burrito, because that would be wrong. There are no perfect alphabeths

>>10666366
>They have to use more and more foreign words on a daily basis, but the sounds of their language is limited and even with katakana there are many basic sounds that they have a lot of trouble making.
Meanwhile, the average English speaker's pronunciation of 'karaoke' is, of course, a flawless reproduction of the Japanese word, since our superior alphabet can represent those sounds perfectly.

Seriously, why does it matter that Japanese (and indeed every other language) changes the pronunciation of loanwords?

>>10666366
I like how not only you're entitled enough to think your alphabet is the best thing ever, but also manage to be racist against both the africans and the asians at the same time.

>>10666396
You're spelling it, you're just not spelling it phonetically or using a phonetic alphabet. You're writing the letters that form a word in the correct sequence.

Also CHECK THIS SHIT:
/b@"r\i:to/

SAMPA, baby.

>>10666401
People can say karaoke in English just fine. Try getting a Japanese person to say cake with a silent e.

>>10666425
There're probably more Japanese who can speak English correctly, than the other way around.

>>10666401
>Seriously, why does it matter that Japanese (and indeed every other language) changes the pronunciation of loanwords?

If you think about it, maybe 90% of English words are loanwords because it's a fairly recent language. They're all from Latin or French or whatever. Only a small number of words are shit we've coined, usually stupid things to do with technology.

Anyway, I sure as HELL doubt we're pronouncing those Latin and French words "correctly".

Kaka is a Swedish word that means cake. Cake is an English word that means cake. Keiki is a Japanese word that means cake.

>>10666369
>I never said I did, I posted it so you can't argue about muh correct gramar.
OK, I stand corrected.

>>10666062

One day Hiragana learner here desu. This is the best I can do: おし-

>>10666413

>entitled

Excuse my autism, but I must interject. I hate this word, people really need to stop using it so much. It's getting to the point that it doesn't even make any sense when it's used.

Using entitled in that sentence would be like saying, "I like how not only do you claim to deserve to think your alphabet is the best thing ever."

That doesn't make any sense. Arrogant would have been a better word.

>>10666425
that's easy, just tell them to read keeku

>>10666145
But that sounds like a COREAN name. Why would I want to learn Japanese from someone who's not Japanese?

>>10666529
complementary guide

>>10666523
Then you have that extraneous "oh" sound at the end.

>>10666510
Check your privilege, Aspie.

>>10666529
You don't learn languages from native speakers faglord

>>10666366
>the sounds of their language is limited
exactly

>>10666529

Would you rather learn about dolphins from a talking dolphin or someone who has studied dolphins his whole life?

Learning from the perspective of an outsider who has studied a language is usually more useful than learning about it from the people who were raised with the language. The outsider will understand the unique difficulties that foreigners face when learning Japanese as their second language while the Japanese person won't understand any of that because it was his first language.

>>10666555
>some corean nida knows better

>>10666529
How confident are you in your ability to teach English? Probably not very, I bet you anything a Swede who learned English as an adult could teach someone who wants to learn English as an adult better than anyone in this thread.

Does anyone know the reason why hiragana and katakana hasn't been merged into one syllabary, or why one hasn't decapricated? Are there beneficial reasons to keeping an entire separate set of symbols for foreign words that I'm not aware of from not knowing enough Japanese?

>>10666559
Well that's just silly. I would want to talk to a dolphin.

>>10666576
japanese words, foreign words

>>10666576
Does anyone know the reason why uppercase and lowercase letters haven't been merged into one alphabeth, or why one hasn't decapricated? Are there beneficial reasons to keeping an entire separate set of symbols for starting sentences or names that I'm not aware of?

>>10666566

I could teach English better than anyone and not only is English my only language, but I'm not even that good at it.

>>10666568
Despite the much popularized East Asian hate Korean students will often learn Japanese for university and vice versa as the languages are fairly similar.

>>10666587
>I could teach English better than anyone
I can't tell the mental age of this person

>>10666555
People learn their first language from their parents who most of the time would be native speakers of the language.

>>10666581
Is that the only reason or are there others?

>>10666576
Katakana is not only used for foreign words.

>>10666566
Ever tried learning English from somebody who's only fluent in written but not spoken English? It's terribad.

>>10666590
>fairly similar
grammatical elements? i assume

>>10666590

How are they similar? Oppa sounds like oppai?

>>10666612
"cursive" writing

>>10666623
>>10666627
I don't know some fucking korean guy told me.

I thought Koreans can't even read Chinese characters anymore since they have their own alphabet.

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>03/26/13(Tue)11:38

I literally had to check to see if I was still on /jp/ or not.

What the fuck is up with /jp/ and all this shit thats happening all of a sudden?

>>10666679
maximum shitposting, et cetera.

Sub-par troll threads getting over 300 replies with no signs of deletion is one of the signs of a board's end times.

>>10666653
Koreans still learn and grind Chinese characters in school, but they are effectively only used very rarely.

>>10664128
Alphabet-based languages aren't really comparable to the clusterfuck that is shit like kanji when it comes to writing

>>10666653

The current generation Koreans probably know like 50-100 Hanja and that's all. It's simply not needed for them to know more. However an average Korean senior will know around two thousand characters and middle-aged person will know around a thousand. This is because the Hangul is almost always written next to a Hanja and therefore it is not required to know it. You see, Koreans are a bit more smart than Japanese.

>>10666092
>>10666096

Speak it to each other and to illustrate your points not to me

>>10665876
Linguist here. Typology classifies Japanese as SVO (basic word order: subject-object-verb). You should shut the fuck up.

>>10665876
>monolingual pleb
Seriosuly?

>>10669214
Classification does not mean shit buddy.

I can classify my fist tearing up your moms cunt hole but its actually my dick for all you know classification.

>>10669287
>hurr i must believe some angry random not my studiesdurr
Ignorant. Shut up.

>>10669368
Not really I just to say shit to you because you sound so full of yourself.

>>10669388
>I just to say
Hahaha oh wow.

>>10669496
Whats wrong?

I said it. I dont see a problem here. Look at me saying it now.

Stop squabbling. No one learns shit when you do that.