/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I'm broke nigga

>>45726932
How is that relevant? Moving only costs a few thousand dollars, and most of that is just for living costs in the very beginning after moving. Are you so broke that you're incapable of saving a few grand?

I don't actually like japan

>>45726977
Why not?

Wow, i didnt knew Japan had no immigration laws. How progressive, thanks for the info op. I'm also sending a mairu right now to their Emperor-sama to get my citizenship.

>>45726917
Isn't getting a work visa in Japan really hard?

>>45727011
It has immigration laws but there are a variety of different visa categories. Surely there is one that applies to your situation. The immigration system here isn't broken like the one in the US is.

>>45727022
Only if you have no employable skills or qualifications but there are other visa categories.

>>45726917
holy shit not you again. stop shitting up the board with these troll threads and go spend time with your unfortunate spawn before their english language acquisition goes dry

>>45727488
I'm not trolling
>English
I'm not teaching them English

>>45727532
bro...it's a global lingua franca and if they don't learn it from you, some pedophile ALT will teach katakana english to them in school anyway, they're gonna get pissed that you didn't

>>45727576
There's literally zero benefit in learning English. I hate globohomo.

>>45726917
What kind of job do you have there?

>>45727776
Software engineer

>>45726917
annoyingly having to take certain script medication (not E). Im sure i could figure it out but that would take a while. Also I only just passed N2 so I'm not sure I'm qualified to be anything but a teacher's assistant. So time and bureaucracy. If I can do N2 I can do N1. Also french bilingual, so that might just help. I really just want to do resetting on text/type though. I've already got over 5 vols experience, just not in Japanese.

>>45726917
>Japan
>paradise
lmao
Just another place on Earth, not bad, that's all.

I have no qualifications

>>45726917
im a software engineer earning 6 figures (after taxes) in a US state with enough japanese diaspora

i have considered moving to japan but my favorite technologies are relatively niche in japan, i only know one b2b company (toyokumo) that could possibly interview me for a future position

i refuse to do any sort of teaching, especially since they seem to have a gross sex tourist image (and half the time theres national news about a foreigner criminal, its a fucking english teacher from america caught molesting little girls or doing some other dumb shit)

>>45728198
>diaspora
Not Japanese

Just do your current job remotely from Japan and enjoy the slight pay bump caused by the exchange rate.

>>45728124
Language school, then vocational school, then work visa. You're welcome.

>>45728247
>>45728247
>Just do your current job remotely from Japan
have you actually tried this? i actually work remotely. even moving to another state needs me to fill out dozens of paper work for the bean counters of my company. my workplace hires people from america and europe, and they pay with local currency IIRC. i would look up the company they use for this but i dont want to touch my work laptop for at least one more day. so presumably they would want to pay me in JPY as well, and possibly "adjust" my wages for cost of living in Japan, which is likely a downgrade from where I am now

there are other complications, too. although i work as a software engineer, my degree is in mathematics, not engineering or computer science. im still yet to take the JLPT N1, too, but I should finally do it, I guess. the only reason im on /jp/ is because i refuse to give money to UPLIFT in perpetuity just to discuss shitty im@s gacha games and light novels

>>45726917
What job do you have?
I don't want to be a teacher and I currently have a comfy IT engineering job that would get completely ruined by the Japanese expectations

I plan to move one day but I'm waiting for smart working visas first, I don't want to work for a Japanese company

I posted this >>45728516 and reading this >>45728247 now
>Just do your current job remotely from Japan
I investigated that and it seemed impossible as of now unless your company has a branch in Japan and is willing to switch you to that branch, otherwise you can't
I'd gladly hear that I'm wrong but I'm sure that's the case and that Japan has just recently been starting to consider to issue digital nomad visas for people who work in Japan for a foreign company via remote

>>45728313
>>45728516
>>45728573
Op here. I'm going to reply to you both at the same time because your comments are similar.

I haven't tried it. I'm a software engineer but I work for a Japanese company.

Why don't you just work for a Japanese company? I'm assuming it's something about the reputation regarding overwork and unpaid overtime? You should check the OECD data because it's not 1980 anymore, Japan has made serious efforts towards addressing the issue and the result is that today Americans work far more annually than Japanese do.

Also Japanese workers have strong workers rights that American workers don't have and it's very difficult for employers to fire you.

If the reason is regarding salary, then it's not actually bad. The numbers are very different on paper but you have to consider cost of living which is very different here. Japan is dirt cheap compared to America. The cost of literally everything is insane in America. I'm 27, own my home in full and have 3 kids, meanwhile my old classmates in America are all struggling to make ends meet.

The military lets me live here :D

>>45729997
Stop committing crimes, please

I'm a professional electrician in America. Tell me who to talk to in order to start the process of getting Japanese certification and I'll do it.

Op, just because your situation is a certain way doesn't mean it's the truth for everyone. There are certainly working situations that include unpaid overtime, karoshi, power harrassment, parental discrimination, etc. in Japan just as well as there are pretty sweet jobs in the US where people are living easy and affording expensive things. Your posts sound like some sort of lame conservative propaganda that only blind idiots believe.

>>45726917
I really want to, but I'm a neet with no skills.
Realistically, the only way I can get a visa is by marrying a Japanese woman. Which is also an unrealistic proposal.

>>45730445
Marrying a Japanese woman really isn't the hard part, it's avoiding the inevitable divorce in 5 years or so.

>>45727619
>There's literally zero benefit in learning English.
>immediately lists a benefit to learning english

>>45726917
I'm scared of change and have a tin ear for other languages.

>>45730156
Learn Japanese, then attend a vocational school in Japan and get certified in Japan, then you can get a work visa to do that job here. There might be another way but I'm not sure - consult an immigration lawyer they might be able to help you. You're going to need to learn Japanese though.
>>45730380
>There are certainly working situations that include unpaid overtime, karoshi, power harrassment, parental discrimination, etc. in Japan
Statistically, there is far more common in America than it is in Japan.
>the US where people are living easy and affording expensive things
Anon, it's 2024. Take a look around you.
>>45730445
Attend a language school to learn Japanese, then attend a vocational school to gain an employable skill and get a work visa. There's hope for you!
>>45730506
Globohomo is a cancer, not a benefit. If you want to give your own kids cancer be my guest but I refuse to do it to mine. Eat shit and die.

>>45730777
>Attend a language school to learn Japanese
I've been studying Japanese by myself for some time. I'm still going to attend a school because I want friends who like Japan and to learn how to actually speak to people.
>vocational school
What should I study? And how long does it take?

Because I'm perfectly satisfied with living where I live and doing what I do and the last thing I'd want to do is upset the status quo

>>45730821
Study whatever job you want, anything from computer science to electrical engineering. It takes 2-4 years.
>>45730855
You will never upset the status quo

I hope people aren't seriously taking advice from this op who has conjured up copypasta about Japan being exactly like an anime paradise and the superior glorious Nipponese ways

>>45731211
It literally is though. You've probably never even stepped foot in Japan.

>>45731231
Damn, I haven't? I wonder what country I've been living in this whole time then, because I was pretty sure I was in Japan.

>>45730944
>It takes 2-4 years.
And then you need multiple years of work experience to get hired, I assume.

>>45731269
The fact that you claim it's nothing like anime that are based in modern-day Japan and grounded in topics focused on everyday life is proof enough that you don't live here. Either that or you've segregated yourself into a gaijin bubble.
>>45731334
No, you just apply as a new grad. Japan isn't America.

>>45732372
This, I was walking down the street the other day and I saw a girl giving an emotional pep-talk to another girl in front of a vending machine. What was weird is one of them had a tracksuit on which implied a hikiNEET life but had obnoxiously dyed pink hair. Also they were talking about rocks? It was kind of weird.

>>45732372
genius, moeshit anime is about as accurate to real life as family guy is. there are things that imitate real life, but it's not 1:1, jesus christ. how braindead retarded can you be? you're raising kids like this?

>>45726917
I'm rather ugly and that paired with being non-Japanese would make me stand out far more than I'd be able to handle.

>>45732482
You're clinically retarded.
>>45732494
I didn't say it's 1:1, I said it's like anime.

>>45726917
>Japan really is just like anime
>It's exactly like anime
>>45732372
>i-it's not 1:1 it's just uh, uh, not nothing like anime!!
all you did was backpedal to say the same thing I did. fuck off with the bullshit, maybe you're the one faking it. post your divorce papers or gtfo

>>45732654
Saying it's just like anime doesn't mean that people have pink hair and fly through the skies shooting lasers from their hands you fucking moron.

>>45732766
Nobody was saying that.

>>45730944
>You will never upset the status quo
When I used status quo I referred to the current "default" situation of one's life. Of course it can be upset. Changing an apartment, finding a new job, even making a new friend are all things that can change one's life in pretty major ways and if I can help it I choose to not do anything that would lead to any change. Moving to another country in a culture completely foreign to one you have grown up in is a huge upset.

I get irritated talking to Japs even online. The kuukiyomi autism and properness is too much. I couldn't handle a month in the country. The only reason I'm interested in the language is so that I can play their erotic doujin games.

>>45732825
it's so frustrating when interacting with japanese people in hobby situations, because the Being Japanese Autism and the Socially Awkward Nerdy Autism intersect into a horrible blob of painful communication

>>45729929
how much do you earn? How many yoe? Is your job remote? What tech stack? Are there meetings everyday? How did you get the job? Do you speak japanese at your job? Do you work overtime? Are there any other foreigners at the company? Is it possible to get a part-time tech job as a developer while studying?

>t. fullstack dev with 2 yoe that is possibly going to study in japan in the near future

The more foreigners that go to and stay in Japan increases the speed of globohomo integration in the culture. Assuming this isn't a larp I can't say I'm not jealous.

>>45726917
>Why not move to Japan?
I don't have a degree.

>>45732372
>just apply as a new grad
I've looked up some job offers for foreigners and they all required work experience.

>>45726917
That wasn't my initial plan. Everything changed when I started interacting with Japanese people online. So maybe I'll make Japan my goal for the future.

>>45729929
>Why don't you just work for a Japanese company?
I mentioned it in my first post.
>i have considered moving to japan but my favorite technologies are relatively niche in japan
i decided to look up 〇〇を利用している会社 and managed to find a brief list of companies with info last updated in jan 2023... not a good sign

>>45726917
I hate immigrants and I don’t want to be one myself. Japan is for the Japanese and not weebs like myself

>>45729929
>Also Japanese workers have strong workers rights that American workers don't have and it's very difficult for employers to fire you.
I thought what was causing the problems in their work environment wasn't the laws in the first place but the social customs. You can legally take a lot of vacation days but in practice, people are scared that their coworkers will hate them if they do so they refuse to do so. It's similar to the mask thing. It hasn't been mandatory in a long time but everyone just keeps wearing them out of fear of being the odd one out.

>>45726917
I am south american

I'm poor, live very far away and can't get a holiday working visa, so my only option is gambling all my savings on a job-hunting vacation or getting a company willing to sponsor a working visa for me.

I know the language (N1), but can't be hired as a language teacher so easily because I'm not a native English speaker and that's a big legal no-no for the government, despite my fluency. Gotta look for private institutions, and I might get into a shitty, abusive gaijin-trap job.

Currently trying to get a remote job related to Japan so I have a portfolio to apply for real companies later on.

>>45734466
same boat as you bro. shit's fucked

>>45734531
The worst part is that they are already scraping the bucket in search for native speakers to meet the quota, hiring thick-accented Jamaicans and Indians, as logn as they check the "native speaker" box, whereas I, with my fairly decent American accent, am considered irregular, since Japs can't speak English for shit and can't be assed to vet who can and can't speak proper English.

>>45734556
it's got nothing to do with accents, it's a visa issue, simple as. You can't be an ALT if you don't have an english-speaking passport.

I heard that it's apparently possible to work at an eikaiwa with a specialist in humanities visa, but I have no idea how feasible it is to get hired from abroad as a non-native.

>>45734647
That's what I mean, the government keeps this "native" limitation on the ALT requirements in order to keep the integrity of the language exchange experience. But it's become counterproductive at this point.

And yeah, you can get a humanities visa, but that requires a sponsor. And since these shabby companies can just stick their hands out of the window and grab 3 gaijins who are already there willing to work for cheap, someone still living outside has little chance of getting a bit on these minor jobs.

>>45734669
So we're fucked then?

>>45726917
I'm not compatible with actual Japanese culture. I value the work-life balance of the Scandinavian country I live in, and I'm not a social guy at all so I can't even imagine leaving my family for fucking anime. Of course all the power to you OP and others who made their dream come true.

>its paradise
the suicide rates say otherwise

>>45734692
No, just playing on hard mode. If you fail, you can find comfort in knowing how unfairly the odds were against you.
If you succeed, the nectar of victory will be all the more sweet.

Good luck, anon.

>>45726917
1. they dont know japanese (nor want to make the effort to learn it)
2. understanding a different culture than one's native is too hard, especially when the gap is as big as it is with japan, so even if its better it requires a lot of time to get there and most wont do it
3. financial and/or visa requirements are too tough to fulfill (and probably the people in here are too comfortable with their current lifestyle and having to maintain a visa would require considerable effort and change of lifestyle)
4. theyre too autistic to actually go to another country and interact with anime people and adapt to a new culture completely outside their comfort zone

lived in japan for a while and indeed not only is it the same as anime but it's even better, but yeah it requires far too much effort, money and/or exiting one's comfort zone than most people are willing to pursue.

>>45734936
I'm thinking of doing a master's somewhere and maybe using that to get to Japan eventually. Hopefully it'll all work out.

>>45726917
I'm a barely functioning social retard in my own country, no chance I'd make it in Japan. I imagine that's the case for some guys here as well unless the whole existence of the NEET thread is a lie

>>45730468
No different from women in my country, then.

>>45726917
cuz I don't want to work so japan would be hell

I'm too retarded to learn Japanese

if you tell yourself you are unable to do something, you most certainly will never be able to do it.

if you accept there's a possibility you can do it, however small, you might as well end up accomplishing it.

>>45736707
anybody can learn japanese

>>45737582
I'm 4 years into this and still shit at Japanese

>/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>45735005
This

I don't want to live there permanently, my dream would be fall and winter in US and summer in Japan with springs rotating between each. Almost like a vacation home/land there but also doing some work/passion projects

>>45732946
fuck you op, I really wanted to know this

>>45726917
I don't like the cold weather. My sister lives in the colder parts of the country here, and by colder I mean only a 2 to 4 degrees celcius lower than the average temperature, and yet when I come to visit her, I feel like I'm going to freeze at night if I leave the windows open. I'm not sure though if the southern parts of Japan is warmer than usual, though it's probably still cold.

>>45726917
How did you search for a job? How good was your japanese when you started working? How old were you when you moved there?

>>45737972
It wasn't my intention to ignore you, your comment got lost in the sea of brain cancer.

>how much do you earn?
Around 5 million yen/year
>How many yoe?
I've been at this company for 4 years. This is my first job (not including part time jobs as a student)
>Is your job remote?
Before the pandemic I did remote once or twice per week, but I went fully remote during the pandemic and I never felt like going back so I'm still fully remote. It's just too convenient because I can do whatever I want as long as I get shit done.
>What tech stack?
It really depends on which product. Whenever we start a new project we always look around at what's popular and consider which tools would be best for the job. The project I'm currently working on uses NextJS and React with Typescript, but I have no idea what they're using server side.
>Are there meetings everyday?
I have a meeting with my team once weekly (sprint meeting every two weeks, and a mid-sprint checkup, so one meeting at the same time every week) and a company-wide meeting once per month where each team reports on what they're up to and how things are going in the different departments. Aside from that, no meetings.
>How did you get the job?
I applied for it and was contacted to go to their office for an interview. They looked at my skillet and my portfolio and then the next day I got an email offering me the job.
>Do you speak japanese at your job?
Yes, Japanese is essential.
>Do you work overtime?
Never.
>Are there any other foreigners at the company?
Yes, but all but a few of them are overseas.
Is it possible to get a part-time tech job as a developer while studying?
I have no clue, that really depends on the company but you might be able to find a part time position at a startup or something.

>>45738410
I found the job through an ad on Indeed. My Japanese when I got the job was intermediate but idk what JLPT level because I've never taken the test I just learned through immersion. I moved to Japan at age 19.

>>45738547
>Do you speak japanese at your job?
>Yes, Japanese is essential.
Were you fluent before you started or did you learn after getting the job?

>>45738547
Thanks man. Some followup questions, if you would oblige:

Is remote work as a dev an exception or the norm in most companies? It seems that you're frontend, what is your job title? Is it a japanese company or foreign? How is the current market in japan for tech/dev jobs? It seems to be fucked in the west. Following up on what the other guy asked, how would you recommend looking for jobs there? How did you move to japan? tourist visa or did you already have the job and moved there through that?

Thanks again

>>45726917
Brcause i dont want to stain my japanese overlords with my gaijin filth i rather stay far away and pray for my gods the moonreaders.

>>45738136
>>45737582
>>45726917
Sup cancer

>>45738547
are you white?

>>45737122
That's just propaganda. 99% of your life is decided the moment you are born.

>>45738719
I think I mentioned this in my comment already but I wasn't fluent yet. I was only intermediate, but I don't know where that lines up on the JLPT scale because I never took the test (there's no need to unless you're going to college). I am fluent now, but I wasn't when I got hired. I wasn't a beginner though - I could certainly get by.
>>45738874
Remote work is pretty common here and there were already lots of companies offering partial remote before the pandemic. It really varies though.

The company I work for is fully Japanese. As for the market, I'm not sure how to answer because obviously every company needs engineers but the way the market is swaying is that you have much more potential if you're bilingual and have an engineering background so that you can manage teams of engineers who are located overseas.
For looking for jobs, just use the typical job hunting sites. I found my job on Indeed which is popular here.

I moved here as a student and then got married, later I naturalized.

>>45738926
Yes but I don't see how that's relevant.

>>45739318
Only if you never try to do anything and just take whatever life throws at you. You speak like someone who has never left their hometown.

>>45739392
How important is a relevant degree to get a software job in japan? Do they check that? I have around 2 years of relevant experience as a dev but I have an unrelated bachelor degree (art shit)

>>45739392
>Yes but I don't see how that's relevant.

Oh you sure don't whitey but I bet they sure aren't hiring brown or black people in your company

>>45739948
The last thread that op made about this topic ended with him arguing like a retard about how him being a white American meant nothing in regards to how Japanese people saw him, and that he transformed into a true and honest Nihonjin because he legally changed his name to Suzuki Kentaro san or some shit. He doesn't want to admit it's relevant because he's a delusional larper.
But yeah, the fact that blacks and brownies are mysteriously not getting the same easymode whitechad Japanlife experience has no relevance, truly.

It's less that I can't afford to move there and more that without a job already waiting for me, that's asking for bad shit to happen. That being said, I went to med school, I'm a licensed radiographic technologist, there's no way there aren't openings.

>>45726917
I'd feel bad about leaving my grandmother behind when she's almost 90, I live near her and I want to make sure I'm there for her in case anything happens until it's her time.

>>45740092
The market for English speaking medical service geared toward foreigners/multilingual residents is huge, especially in the big cities. I can't tell you how hard it is to find healthcare with an actual professional that knows their shit, gives you the time of day, and actually acts like they give a fuck about their patients without just handing them a bunch of pills and telling them to piss off. I don't want to deal with that nonsense in Japanese, but the pool of English speaking docs is so small that I either have to shop around endlessly through shitty Japanese clinics or just give up and wait 2 hours in a packed waiting room so that I can spend 5 minutes with a doc who will absentmindedly tell me the same shit but in English.
Not to mention all the yellowfever davids who are coming over and impregnating their menhera Japanese girlfriends have no ability to communicate with a gynecologist or understand prenatal care in Japanese. You could make a fortune just from providing service to wmaf failcouples, there's an endless supply.
tdlr please fucking come work in Japan, I'm sick of poisoning myself with kampo

the probably ins't moving to japan as an otaku, the problem is moving to japan as a clueless retard, which most otaku are.

Nothing. I moved 7 years ago.

>>45729929
Absolute bullshit

>>45726917
>What's stopping you from moving to Japan and living your otaku dreams?
1. Honestly a secondary issue to me, but I'm a massive cannabis consumer (make my own edibles from plant, don't smoke). Replaced drinking for me, and I used to be a daily vodka handle drinker - enough said. Going sober is certainly survivable, but the quality of life decline is not worth it - and I've traveled to Japan sober a few times. Cured my debilitating migraines as well while triptans did not.
I'm such an autist that I can and will take jailing and fine for such things rather than figuring out whatever local secret club I'd need to be friendly with for police to look the other way - that's how it worked here until legalization. I think that'd fly over less well in Japan, especially if deportation was an issue.

2. Traveling to Japan made me realize my day-to-day life in Japan wouldn't be much different as a homebody autist, to the point that I'd miss my family more than anything I'd gain there.

>>45726917
>What's stopping you from moving to Japan and living your otaku dreams?
I think it would be cool to try living there for a while at least, but currently with my low-intermediate level of Japanese knowledge and only 2 YOE as a software dev I can't imagine any company there wanting to hire me over a native.

I did, but I'm a bit of an odd case. I moved to Japan to learn a very peculiar trade, that being traditional Japanese gardening. I constantly get surprised reactions from people when I chat with them and work comes up. I can't say I can see into people's head and tell their true thoughts, but I've only ever gotten super positive reactions from people after I mention what I do. Though I suppose people from any country would be pleased if a foreigner came specifically to learn their unique traditional culture and had the genuine passion for it.

I work for a rather well known landscaping and garden design/build company, but my department specifically mostly maintains a number of temple and hotel gardens in and around Kyoto. I'm a bit surprised they hired me to be honest, but they've been exceptionally kind to me. I'm sure it certainly helps I have a 4 year degree in horticulture and a lot of experience working at American gardens.

I think people fetishize Japan too much. It's just another place in the world. People are people, you know? If you act like a weirdo and do odd things people will naturally act accordingly, but so would people anywhere right?

And as another anon said before, Japan is 100% getting more and more westernized as the days pass. Perhaps globalized would be a better term since people here, especially younger generations love all sorts of things their great-grandparents would've despised. Korean things for example are super popular now, and really have been for a while. I've got a friend that watches Korean idol competition TV shows subbed in Japanese.

Japan certainly isn't like it was in the 1980s.

>>45739922
I don't even have a degree. It's only relevant if you need it for a visa.
>>45739948
I'm the only white person in the company. And we actually do have a black guy, he's from Europe.
>>45740039
Can you take your mental illness somewhere else?

There are substantially more Indians and SEAmonkeys living in Japan than white people. I don't even know what they do for work outside of Indian restaurants

>>45741166
>People are people, you know? If you act like a weirdo and do odd things people will naturally act accordingly, but so would people anywhere right?
What would your advice be for a nocturnal autist who has no internal sense of making eye contact, who is looking to feel accepted in a community in real life and never really has?
I actually can read and write in Japanese and lurk 5ch - even went to comiket before while traveling and got along just fine. But the big cities just feel more "convenient" to live in than actually welcoming - the lack of connection with others doesn't feel much different than my hick hometown.

>>45741166
Most logical post in this thread. Not paradise, not animeland, not suicide country, just a place. Autistic otaku fetishists who go for the sake of Japan being some holy weeb land are the last people who should just up and move across the world, just opt to go on vacation instead. Sure you can enjoy otaku hobbies once you're there, but you'll be living a completely normal, mundane daily life focused on your job with the added difficulty of adapting to an atmosphere different than your home country. The only reason you should be going there is if there's a logical opportunity to expand on your career or to improve a skill like this guy.
Globalized is a good way to say it I think. I think most of the Japanese population being concentrated in a few featureless concrete block cities filled with international imports makes them more global on average (and outside the cities is a weird mix of centuries old inaka mixed with western import machinery). There's a lot of Chinese and Korean shit making its way into common culture (besides the fact that even traditional Japanese culture is secretly just Chinese with an extra coat of paint, China is just coming around to being accepted again in a pop culture sense). Japanese kids are practically weebs for Korea the way that western kids are weebs for Japan. But other than America, I don't really notice a lot of influence from other western countries besides other surface level nonsense like food. Despite that I don't get the sense that Japanese people give a fuck about America, and they don't know shit about it besides forcibly imported garbage. Nobody knows American celebrities or events, just stupid trademarks like Disney or McDonalds, and Europe is a lost cause because Japanese people don't even know anything besides France, Germany, or England. Even the fashion is still skewed heavily toward asian style, where you might see Chinese tourists wearing very American clothing or Kardashian type athleisure, but Japanese people seem to stick to the same bland baggy j and kfashion outfits with a shitty designer purse. My normie Japanese female friends think that white men are ugly and dasai and have no interest in what the US is like, they're all just planning for their epic Korea vacations and trading photos of plastic Korean fuckboys.
The job sounds cool as fuck though anon, I'd be psyched to be a part of keeping the historical temples and stuff alive. Kyoto is very well-kept, so I'm sure you guys are working your asses off.

>>45741506
Walk into any conbini or similarly low paying workplace and they're there.

>>45741713
If you're not feeling accepted in your hick hometown, typically a kind of close-knit place where you can find community, then you won't do any better in Japan. I'd argue the big cities are geared toward autists because Japanese people have designed a very autistic society. Eye contact isn't necessary, and nobody gets out of their lane to give a fuck about anyone else. You can maybe find connection if you dick around in bars or go out of your comfort zone to interact with people, but it's a city, and by nature a community is not going to be handed to you.
But you'd be sorely mistaken if deeply connected inakas are going to be welcoming to you as an outsider instead, and you'll have a completely new set of problems there. You'd be best to either bear with the heartless city or stay home.

>>45726917
japanese is a hard language for my autist brain

I'm definitely a weeb but I also understand that Japan is not a paradise and is instead a normal countries with problems just like any other.

That being said, is it unreasonable that I want to move to Japan just because it's comparatively extremely safe, with good healthcare, and has good public transportation and a high level of general convenience? I feel like that's a combination of things you can't really get in any English-speaking country, at least not anywhere that I've lived.

>>45741897
>You'd be best to either bear with the heartless city or stay home.
Lived in cities in the US and in SEA before (not Japan for long term), and that's the conclusion I came to.
It feels weird both free and stifling that I get best living as a depressed hermit it seems - have little holding me down after family but nothing to chase after as well.

>>45741166
Can you redpill me on the differences between Japanese gardening and Western gardening? The 公園s are all beautiful and even the little 花壇s in the streets are amazing, you don't even need to go to le traditional zen garden to see the beauty (I like 公園s more personally they're more lush and stuff).

I don't understand why we don't have that kind of thing over here. Are there no professionals bringing over their techniques to the West? Something that really struck me was seeing properly uniformed workers at parks maintaining them looking at specific trees or god knows what, like they pay attention to the most minimal detail. Is that what's lacking here?

Also what's the job/discipline for people who maintain parks? I know the traditional garden kind of stuff is 園芸 but I'm not sure if that applies to everything else.

Overall I just find the fact that you have what are basically entire forests with rivers and waterfalls contained in a small space in the middle of a metropolis fascinating.

>>45726917
I'm not a huge faggot so I don't want to leave my country and family behind to live in a foreign country

>>45742066
Those are exactly some of the reasons why it's paradise but people who live in similarly utopic first-world countries or those who don't go out of their house wouldn't understand.
There's nothing like going out at 3 am to buy some shit at the conbini and not only not being scared of dark creatures attacking you but even at peace due to the peace and silence and the few people that are outside just chilling out.

Don't move to Japan, move Japan to you.

>>45742157
Do you split a hair between your family and your country in value in that determination?
I'd be curious to pick your mind on how you perceive state loyalty over filial loyalty if so.
If you are in the condition where you have both a family and state you find worth dying for, more power to you.

>>45742066
That's a fine reason, but you need to make sure that you're contributing back to that society as well.

There can be downsides to those as well. Extremely safe can mean, as another anon said above, that an ounce of recreational weed will get you in prison. You won't get mugged or shot, but cops will also get suspicious of you for Existing as Gaijin, and won't actually do much to assist you during actual crimes.
Healthcare is affordable yes, but as mentioned before, whether it's good or not is another question. If you have health concerns, you need to make sure that you have the skills to communicate with medical professionals.
Public transportation is good if you're in a city and live near a station or bus stop, or if you're not commuting an hour and a half one way to work everyday huffing in rank ojisan stench on a sardine packed train car. Of course, you won't have to worry about car insurance or gas price inflation.

There's general convenience in cities, but again, you need to make sure that you can communicate. If your shit breaks in your house, there are tons of repair services, but your Japanese needs to be up to par. You can get some quality Japanese furniture from a variety of places, but you need to be able to have the balls to pick up phone calls from the deliverymen. If you lose your ID or wallet, waiting for hours in line for snail's pace Japanese bureaucracy at immigration services or the police station is a pain in the ass even if the process is relatively straightforward. Figuring out in Japanese how to get your utilities to accept your bank account payments because your foreign name trips up their dinosaur web systems. Your neighbor showing up at your door at 9pm because he's got a bone to pick with you and doesn't feel like using yasashii nihongo. It goes on and on. Sure it's a nice place to live compared to other countries, but you will lose the comfort, familiarity, fluency, and knowledge of your home country, and you need to decide if it's a worthwhile tradeoff.

>>45742143
Would you like the autistic explanation or a broad overview?

>>45742439
Not him but your post has already interested me and Japanese gardening is more on-topic than this thread. I'll read it all.

>>45741713
>>45741713
Like another anon said, Japan has a rather eye-contactless society. Something something old fashion hierarchy stuff.

As you said, cities are rather distant in terms of local connection. Though you'll certainly be able to find local neighborhood organizations that do host events as well as do stuff like neighborhood cleanups or even simple stuff like being assigned to be the guy that walks around at night clacking sticks to remind people to make sure any potential fire hazards are safe. I live in Kyoto which certainly has a different type of feeling to it compared to another city like Tokyo, but if you look, you can surely find ways to try and integrate, especially if you're ペラペラ.

Honestly speaking, regarding Inaka, I think you'd get the same type of distant "outsider" feel in any country were you to move to a small, close-knit town. I have Japanese friends who moved into inaka with their parents and were also treated distantly initially, so it's not even just a foreigner thing. Though I'm sure it would be a bit worse in that case because you are foreign, but Japan isn't like rural China, everyone has seen white people and generally don't care beyond a "oh what's that white foreigner doing here?" type of reaction. But I know for a fact that if some random Japanese dude was just walking around the town I grew up in, they'd get weird looks and unlike Japan, people would probably go out of their way to talk to him, if nothing but for curiosity's sake. Remember, just because someone looks at you, doesn't mean they are automatically thinking horrible things. Most people are just briefly surprised before they go back to worrying about whatever shit they have going on in their life. Just like any other country.

However, it is 100% possible to become integrated, especially if you have a good grasp of conversation. I frequently visit a friend who lives in an Inaka, and there are a number of foreign people who live around there, and not just white people, though with their Japanese spouse which does make a difference.

But most of all, it's just a place like anywhere else. Do what other people are doing, show genuine interest, and try and get along. Give it a few.years (same for native born Japanese people) and people will treat you like anyone else. I personally have a treasured experience of participating in a small harvest festival in that inaka and I sat with basically the entire male population of the village and got drunk with them at 11am on a Sunday. They were incredibly welcoming and tried their best to speak with this baka gaijin and his 片言日本語. One guy even showed me like 50 pictures of his motorcycle, wife, and dog on his phone while talking like an anime yakuza delinquent. I couldn't understand a thing. It was wonderful. Afterwards they told me to join them in pulling the mikoshi, which is a type of portable shrine, with them back to the shed it's stored in. Then I helped them clean up the whole festival while everyone was drunk off their ass. It was great. These are just people man, not some sort of mythical creation. Pic related

>>45742143
I'll start with your question about stuff like uniformed people and general professionalism.

Basically they can be attributed to your regular, bog-standard Japanese autism. You'll see similar things with gas station workers, utility workers and such. The only exception I could think of that really breaks that mold are local construction workers. They look like construction workers from any country, aka 2 steps removed from looking like a homeless man or a yakuza thug. I've seen more faux fur on construction workers than I have on women.

Most of the time, at least from my personal experience, most workers you see doing gardening are contracted workers from dedicated landscaping company assigned to do specific things. Naturally they are very good at what they do and often are indeed assigned specific trees to work on. Different types of trees require different types of maintenance, including other considerations such as optimal time of year to prune. For example, some trees produce flowerbuds the year prior, and if you prune them at the wrong time they won't have any flowers the next year.

Now why can't this exist in the west? Well, I think it can in certain countries. Like Germany who already has autism breed into them, it's easy to instill such type of professionalism. But America prides itself on our freedom which includes cultural conduct. There are just as many people who'd gladly be able and willing to wear a nice uniform and put in tons of effort, as there are people who couldn't care less. It's a terminal condition sadly, America will never be able to do that. But that's what makes Japan special right?

Now for Japanese gardens, I can only speak for traditional Japanese gardens, for which the term is 日本庭園 nihonteien. Historically these types of gardens were purely for the wealthiest of nobles. They originate from China (like 99% of "traditional Japanese" culture) around the Heian period 1100~ through the various other eras, (Kamakura and Muroomachi were of particular importance for garden development) and up to the Edo period. In the Heian period, social standing was rather rigid. Basically you had these nobles who had to live in the newly built Heian-kyo (modern day Kyoto) and thus wanted to construct gardens inside of their estates to try and mimic nature. The goal wasn't particularly to replicate nature but to use the existing local invironment, like Kyoto's surrounding mountains, to compliment nature. Over time these gardens began to gain significant meaning, for example there's a famous legend about a koi trying to climb a 3 tiered waterfall and if it succeeded and made it to the top, it would become a dragon. From that legend, it became common for gardens to feature multi-tiered waterfalls. There are dozens of other gardens facets aside from that, all of which separate Japanese gardens from Japanesw "inspired" gardens.

>>45742954
Really interesting how they can be assigned to a specific tree. You definitely won't find that in shithole third world countries like mine. I guess it's too much to ask for the rest of the world to be as dedicated as the Japanese.

Tangentially related but there was this time I was walking down the path at the 明治神宮 park (the wide forest path with the 2 sidewalk kind of things) and there were some dudes with a truck next to the trees doing some stuff on a tree. I stood there to watch trying to figure out what they were doing, and next to me was an old guy watching too. I was wondering whether to ask if they were going to take the tree down, thinking about the best way to ask in Japanese, but I was too autistic and thinking too much, then the old dude next to me goes and asks 「あの木を倒すんですか？」like almost the exact same words going through my mind. And the tree dude goes like "yeah".
I don't know why but that moment was kind of magical.

>>45742439
The more autism the better.

>>45742143
>>45742954
The difference between Western gardens and traditional Japanese gardens are the meaning and intention of the design.

Historically, Japanese gardens weren't about plants at all, but instead stones and their specific, deliberate placement. The oldest gardening book, the Sakuteiki, written in the 11th century, focused primarily on stone placement. In fact, there is a concept, commonly translated as "geomancy" which is fucking hardcore, that is specifically about placing stones in accordance to direction to promote flow of energy. Basically just feng shui but with a cooler name. Remember, you can't place garden stones in line with a buildings support stone otherwise you'll get demons. Important life lesson. The plants that were used in these gardens were just the local plants found growing wild everywhere. There wasn't any special meaning to it (initially at least and depending on your interpretation).

Whereas with Western gardening, the focus is on the plants themselves, sometimes with landscaping done to accentuate the plants. Historic Western gardens were similarly built by weather nobles, but in the West, often the goal was to display wealth by having large gardens or unique, novel plants, or both. However, as a result of that, in modern times, the focus are the plants. You'll get perhaps deeper meanings in regards to stuff like "native vs non-native" discussions, but as a whole, there really isn't particularly much of a meaning to things beyond "pretty flower is pretty".

Japanese gardens are like a puzzle or perhaps an art piece. You can look at it from a surface level and get enjoyment, but if you look deeper, you'll find that there is a world beyond that, stretching back a thousand plus years, much longer if you consider Chinese gardening tradition too.

To me, that is the difference, but people are free (and encouraged) to come to their own conclusions. After all, no Japanese garden come with explanation pamphlets telling you exactly what the garden designer intended. The gardens I work on existed long before me and will continue long after I'm dead. It feels nice to leave a bit of my touch on something more than me.

>>45743103
Ok that is epic, thanks. Guess the main differentiator is the same as any other Eastern art, they start by focusing on the internal meaning rather than the external forms.

>>45741805
It was shocking to see.

This thread was very informative, thanks for sharing.

>>45726950
I would have to work for 4 years without spending money to be able to reach 1 thousand.

Airplane tickets are currently unaffordable by the working class of my country, thanks to Jew politicians making our country a puppet state of USA and thanks to jews putting a tax rate of 150% in ticket planes.

>>45747723
Indiabro...

>>45747775
Argentina

>>45747781
Boludo... soñar no cuesta nada... ahorra y estudia para el JLPT...

>>45743103
I recall it was summed up well as Western ones being ordered, and Asian style being a wilderness microcosm.
Which is a microcosm of mentality of both, in some sense.

>>45747736
European country?

>>45747781
we will have monthly salaries of 1k within the next 18 months dont worry. otherwise get a remote job.

i managed to save 5k over 3 years with really bad money management by working as a junior programming (yes 3 years trainee-junior), though that was before everything went completely to shit idk how salaries look like right now. also WHV is the ultimate ARG->JP hack, if you know Japanese properly you can get there and get a job and housing in less than 2 months.

google "working holiday japon argentina yomeanimo facebook" for a group with good info regarding latest strats

>>45747814
Frankly, a lot of factors matter when it comes to doing something like classifying gardens. Many western gardening styles are very organized, the term "formal" is generally used for this, French parterre is a very recognizable form of formal western gardens. Seen at many European palaces and similar places. Of course there are also plenty of western styles that aren't super rigid, hence why I consider the difference to lie in the intention/meaning of the garden rather than any specific design/plant usage.

In fact, one of the best Japanese gardens basically doesn't involve plants at all. It's called Ryoan-ji, a Buddhist temple in Kyoto, whose main draw is its dry garden (karesansui) what my mom would call a "zen garden". This garden is probably the best example of the ways that Japanese gardens can cause people to think of different things. To give a brief overview to prevent plant autism overload, Ryoan-ji's dry garden has 15 stones scattered in groups. However, what looks like an arbitrary spread of stones turns out to have a much deeper meaning when you discover that, by very intentional design, there are no places in the garden where you can see all 15 stones at the same time. You can walk along the entire veranda back and forth as much as you want, but from every angle at least one stone is blocked from view. Many people over the past few hundred years have given a number of thoughts on the meaning. My personal favorite interpretation is that the stones represent the everything of life and the universe, and the fact that we can only view things from a limited perspective is to show that when we are unenlightened, mortal humans, we can only understand a sparse fraction of everything, but by achieving enlightenment and rising above, can we truly be conscious of everything and see all 15 stones. I think it's neat.

But other people have different interpretations and are encouraged to think of them.

It's the meaning behind the garden, that is the difference between traditional Japanese and Western style gardens. The actual appearance of them really don't matter that much. It's The Heart

Ok, now hang yourself.

>>45748047
>i managed to save 5k over 3 years
5k American dollars or 5k Argentinian currency

>>45728247
can you get a student visa for 2 years with language school, then 2nd student visa for another 2 years to do the vocational school? i wouldn't know which vocation to go for though that would actually guarantee a work visa

>>45749384
Yes.

>>45738547
35k usd for software engineer, wtf

>>45741805
>>45747167
Why do they need to import foreigners to do those kinds of jobs? Surely they have enough natives that are low skilled.

>>45749798
The economy is kind of like a ponzi scheme where the more the population increases, the richer the people higher up on the food chain get (people at the top benefit the most).

what easy job can I do in japan?
I have money for the airplane ticket but nothing else.

>>45726917
why would i move somewhere where i have a communication disadvantage?

>>45750146
don't we have that by default by being autistic

>>45750158
it would be even worse because japanese people are fking telepathic and you have to read the kuuki

>>45750139
you find a bar and let them know that for extra cash you're willing to "reel in" other gaijin folk, it's like an advertising gig.
they aren't allowed to do it themselves so a quirky loop-hole is that you bring some gaijin to a bar and get paid. the police will okay it for you after you let them know what's going on and who you're working with. super easy and chill, sociable side hustle.
I was able to prolong my trip in tokyo doing it, other anon should try this.

>>45750139
JAV

>>45750398
I totally want to do JAV

>>45750355
Works better if you're a negro from Africa or the Caribbean

>>45750398
i've never seen a gaijin man in jav. i don't think they would accept one.

>>45750460
be the change you wish to see in the world

>>45726917
i'm 30, a neet, have no skills, and live in a country where its easy to scam the welfare system indefinitely. if i went to japan i would have to work

>>45734890
It's a meme, other countries like (((muttmerica))) have way higher rates. Japan is not even in the top 45.

>>45751965
this is such old news you'd think the sort of people that would come to a /jp/ board would know this shit. probably a frognigger / basedtard poster.

japan is still shit in the same way as it was in the past right, but it's just that the US and other countries are getting that much worse if I recall. crime on the other hand really is down generally in most countries. suicides are sorta climbing. I almost became one of those in 2019 myself. I'd rather be homeless in Tokyo than anywhere in the US,

would you rather spend what little cash you have being an alcoholic homeless person in detroit or putting those dollars towards sniffing ass and downing ramen? boy you can guess where I've put my dollars during my time in Shibuya. hot diggity god damn!

>What's stopping you from moving to Japan and living your otaku dreams?
earthquakes

>>45749786
Simple currency conversions don't represent reality, you have to consider cost of living. I'm able to own a home in Tokyo (no loans, no debts) and support my family on that amount, but you could never do that in the same amount in New York (which isn't even as big as Tokyo is).

Salaries are inflated in America because everything else is inflated also. If you adjust for cost of living then suddenly those $400k Netflix salaries don't look so impressive anymore.

>>45752823
fruity bitch-made negro

>>45753371
how much did your house cost? No loans must mean that you had a lump sum to begin with, don't sell me a fictional reality bro

>>45748047
>we will have monthly salaries of 1k within the next 18 months dont worry
>he fell for the Liberal meme politics
See ya in 2001 bro, I'm a QA Tester and for some reason these fags expect JRs and Trainees to have at least 2 years of experience. Shit's hard

>>45754255
We should vote for socialists instead

>>45750460
>>45750398
>>45750428
>>45750460
There are a few, but have in mind that Japanese Male JAV actors represent like 5% of the JAV industry. I guess gaijins must be 0.0001% since I saw the same guy acting in like 10 different WMAF JAVs

>>45754261
We should never vote. The only politician that didn't sold us to Britain was Juan Manuel de Rosas, and he wasn't elected democratically.

>>45754255
that's just HR people that don't know what they're talking about. you send in your CV with no experience and try to get in anyways, or lie and then explain your actual experience in the interview and they'll understand. or you get to a bootcamp or get a contact to refer you, etc etc, getting a job requires some creativity, taking the average job offer at face value leads nowhere

>>45754669
>get a contact to refer you
>Just magically manifest a friend that's working ni there
I have no contacts

>>45755004
that's narrow thinking. you don't need to have friends. having any contact with any human being at all is in itself a contact. your mom or dad are contacts. they know people, and those people know people, and in turn those people also know people. you just need to do a little push to get there. parents can get very excited about their children trying to do things so if you tell them you're looking for a job and make up a cool story about it, they'll start talking to everyone about it. with some luck it will reach the ears of someone that can become an actual contact.
again, this requires creativity and to start doing things that you're uncomfortable with and seem like unthinkable madness.
i got my first job because my dad told a friend and that friend's daughter was working at a company in a position similar to what i wanted to reach, so that person who i never even actually met so far referred me, which got me into the interview process.

>>45755848
I have no dad, and my mother is a cop and doesn't have much friends. So yeah, no contacts in the IT industry
>inb4 join the cops
She's a low level cop, wouldn't really gave me a job that isn't making me working 24/7

Is it legal to work remotely for a company outside of Japan while staying on a student visa there?

>>45738552
Thanks for the answer. After doing more research on Indeed and other sites it seems like for software dev there's almost no chance to get hired straight from overseas without at least 3 years experience (I have a cs degree + 1-2 years) because companies don't want to take such a risk for a junior dev. I'll keep looking but it looks like I'll have to work in my country first.

>>45729929
Thank you for your informative posts.
I think it'd help your credibility a lot if you could post some relevant statistics.

>>45756182
go with your mom to the cops office and talk to some criminals and start selling drugs idk dude think something up you're never gonna get anywhere if you don't talk to anyone

>>45756810
I'm just saying that your advice is pure bullshit that people that already have it easy thanks to their rich family repeat thinking everyone can do the same.

>>45757944
you don't need to be rich to know some people

>>45758110
Then try to get into Tesla IT by asking your parents talk to their friends. I'm sure they will know someone there!

>>45758197
you dont need to get to tesla to have a decent salary. why would you try to get to one of the biggest companies if you have no experience? you start small by companies youve never even heard of.

>>45758211
If I've never even heard of, me a person who's interested in the industry, How in hell would my family who knows jackshit about IT know people in it?

>>45758237
because IT is a job field like any other.
say you want to become a fashion designer but you don't directly know anyone who works as one: why wouldn't there be a possibility for someone 2 or 3 degrees of connection away from you to be a fashion designer? or an architect, or a lawyer? it's the same thing with IT.
people fantasize too much about IT and it being hard to get into, but in fact there's so many goddamn people in it now, that it might as well be easier to find someone working in that field than in any other "traditional" profession.
the only thing that's hard to get into are the important companies like Google and Amazon. again same as any other field, it's always hard to get into the best in the industry. but 99% of companies are not those companies.

>>45758270
As I said, not everyone have the luck of their family knowing everyone, and it's a pretty innocent and delusional view to think it's easy to have contacts thanks to your family.

The world was not made for the lonely secluded anons like me

>>45758306
then go outside and talk to some fucking people!!!
i even met a uber driver once that was learning programming because he was tired of a shitty wage working a shitty job for so many hours a day. he was an immigrant who escaped from a country poorer than ours (which is already poor).
his friend who already had a remote job paying thousands of dollars was helping him learn programming and understand the industry.
imagine if you were sitting in that uber, you could made contacts right there and there.

inb4 "i dont go in ubers because im poor"
ok talk to the fucking grocery store clerk

>>45758359
>he takes Uber trips
Richfags

>>45726917
It's a one-party state (same party being elected to Japanese diet since the 50s) with virtually no personal freedom (software pirates are actually thrown in jail there, strictest gun laws outside of outright banning guns like China) and too much rigid social autism than I can handle.

>>45759337
Man I love my freedom where I can be shot while talking an innocent walk!

>>45759350
Only in America, where the 2nd amendment is interpreted as unfettered access to firearms for every criminal!

>>45726932
im yasui kokujin :3

>>45726917
I love Japan so much that I feel as if I'm not worthy to visit. I'd feel like I'd be tainting the land with my presence.

>>45759562
feel free to taint japan as much as possible. 100% serious

>>45726917
Why would I want to move to Japan? Do you think it's a fun place or something?

>>45726917
>What's stopping you from moving to Japan
I need to get my degree and some years of job experience before I can get approved to work there in the field I want to do.
I don't want to be one of these JET faggots.

>>45726917
Great post went replyless.

I'd love to move to Japan, but fate has doomed me with a bad prison record.

>>45740254
Anon, I'm just the guy who runs the MRI machine and is able to medically interpret the images I take. I dont know how it is in japan but here in the states i would get in MASSIVE trouble if I did any diagnosis myself. That's the radiologist's job, he works with the images I give him.

as big of a weeb i am, im also a massive autist for firearms and medieval stuff
i have a collection of several firearms, and some edged weapons which are probably even banned, and i'm even planning on buying a real cannon that shoots a 1 1/2 pound projectile up to a mile away at 1800 feet per second
i dont know how i would explain to the japanese police why i would be trying to smuggle these weapons which even the yakuza doesnt have, especially when i cant even explain to a normal person in the US why i have any of this in the first place

japan is fucking based, i live in a country of noisy ill mannered """people""" and i love how anyone from any stratum of society knows the worth of rules.
would never go back once i get a long term visa, but while im here on a tourist visa, i ran into a bit of a problem. long story short, due to my lack of planning my visa validity expires before i can do what im actually here to do(something rather important)
anyone have any advice as to the safest way to get the runs to get a couple of weeks?

>>45770232
Applying for a change of visa status automatically extends your current visa expiration by 2 months, just an fyi.