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I'm trying to make good, fully detailed and lore accurate Touhou chatbots
for different platforms, (such as Pygmalion) but I mostly have problems with
the personality of the characters and examples of their dialogue. It is hard
for me to understand well, how they would act in different situations, but I
still want to do it and make some effort. I am asking for help to make bots
such as Reimu, Marisa, and for personal reasons, Eirin and Byakuren.

If anything, I want to make a thread lore discussion on how truly Touhou
characters are, personalities, and even some fandom-made things we can add
to somewhat improve them.

(I'm sorry if this doesn't belong here, I thought you guys would be the best for this.)

>> No.46596077
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Reimu is a grumpy (tsundere) stingy bitch in general. Most of the time silent but when it's about to take action she's the first to go the battlefield (because It's a pain if the accident is prolonged indefinitely)

>> No.46596083

I don't trust you. Endeavours like this one always, invariably, end up having some bizarre and outlandish headcanon thrown in for no discernible reason.

The post above certainly doesn't help, either.

>> No.46596094

why you want touhou chatbots if you doesnt even know their personalities

>> No.46596101

>>46596083
>my [headcanon] > your [headcanon]
the post.

>> No.46596120

>>46596045
Make the Hags aswell ...

>> No.46596128

>>46596101
This but unironically

>> No.46596133

>>46596101
Whom quote you?

>> No.46596144

>>46596077
Reimu being a tsundere feels like a flanderization. Based on the different manga she's more like a slob who can't take care of herself that well, likes to party, but when she gets on duty (either in FS as a more investigative role or in-game in a more fighting-related one) she can be less goofy and down to business. She still likes to shittalk in fights though, as long as she isn't starving like in WaHH.

>> No.46596163

>>46596094
Anon, I know their personalities, but not totally. It is hard for me to understand how a person is, and Touhou is usually ambiguous in a variety of things.

>> No.46596167

>>46596144
Reimu is lazy and wants to coast through life (typical of naturally tallented/blessed people), but she has a strong sense of duty that doesn't let her sit idle when something serious does go down. The threshold for that can be high, as she'll happily ignore minor incidents if she can, but that dutiful drive is one of her defining characteristics.

>> No.46596173

I feel like if a 2hu were to be a tsundere it would be Alice, don't ask me why

>> No.46596236

>>46596045
Just harvest the dialogues from both EraTW and the official gacha lost word.

>> No.46596249
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>>46596173
I know it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes but alice is just autistic, she's not a tsundere

>> No.46596258

>>46596249
She just needs a man in her life to be normal, Playing with dolls all her life and being only friends with 2 people really made her autistic.

A nice strong man would really help her become normal and actually not be a retard

>> No.46596314

>>46596236
How can I enter into the code of the game?

>> No.46596330

>>46596163
I don't know much what to say so it would be better if you just read the official works but I'll try a little
Reimu: She doesn't care much about other people's opinions, she doesn't show much affection for her friends but deep down she cares about them. She's lazy unless her work gets serious. She becomes grumpy as soon as you annoy her a little, she doesn't show much gratitude but doesn't hold grudges either. Little was shown about romance but she seems very innocent
(too lazy to do it with the others 2hu so only reimu)

>> No.46596358

>>46596249
idk but I feel like if she got into a relationship she would be a bit tsundere

>> No.46597270

>>46596045
You need to start learning on MBTI and enneagrams to discriminate personality better. I’ll help you out:
Reimu: ISTP 9w8 sp
Marisa: ESTP 7w8 sp
Yuyuko: ENFJ 7w8 sp
Youmou: ISFJ 9w1 sx
Eirin: ESTJ 1w9 so
Byakuren: ENFJ 7w6 so
Alice: ISTP 5w6 sp
Sakuya: ISTJ 9w1 sx
Patchouli: INTP 5w6 so
Reisen: ISFP 9w8 sp
Suika: ESFP 8w7 so

Honestly I’m bored now. But from those personality types, I can instantly know what they’re all about.

>> No.46597278

>>46597270
NTA,
Could you do these little thingies for other characters ?

>> No.46597295

>>46597278
There’s too many, anon. If you wanna know which ones specifically, just mention them.

>> No.46597314

>>46597295
Meiling , Seiga , Junko , Yuuka , Cirno ,Kanako and Keine would be greatly apreaciated.

Thank you in advance

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>>46597270

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>>46597270
personality types are just star signs for autists

>> No.46597413

>>46597314
Meiling: idk desu. She’s too generic and has too little screen time. From what I’ve seen in games and manga, probably ENFP 9w8 sp
Seiga: ESFP 3w2 sp
Junko: ENTJ 1w2 so
Yuuka: ISTP 9w8 sp
Cirno: ESFP 7w8 sp
Kanako: ENTJ 3w2 so
Keine: ISTJ 1w9 sp

>>46597398
That’s what all retards who don’t study up say

>> No.46597441

>>46597413
Thank you King

>> No.46597513

>>46597413
okay, I studied up and literally the first thing I found was a very long post from a lead psychometrician at a personality test publisher about how the MBTI is bullshit with no scientific merit from ten years and and even then they were saying that it had already been abandoned by the scientific community
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1p2cki/how_scientifically_valid_is_the_myers_briggs/ccy64qe/

>> No.46597536

>>46597513
>reddit
Gtfo

>> No.46597549

holy autism

>> No.46597552

>>46597270
>>46597413
>>46597441
Also if you wanna know what all that shit means. You can plop the mbti + enneagram combo into chatgpt and it will give you a semi accurate response. “What are (type) like” for the prompt.
>>46597513
>caring this much about what memechologists say and their poor standards
Fuck off. You’re probably gonna say some bullshit about the Big 5 or OCEAN like all you sciencism losers say. MBTI is infinitely more powerful than Big 5 faggotry. I know you’re a little Ti-Si fag just by your words.

>> No.46597626

>>46597552
Holy autism Batman.

>> No.46597630

>>46597552
>Also if you wanna know what all that shit means. You can plop the mbti + enneagram combo into chatgpt and it will give you a semi accurate response. “What are (type) like” for the prompt.
Thanks bro, I will investigate.

>> No.46597639

>>46597626
xNTP queer detected. I can read you like a book contrarian nigger

>> No.46597665

>>46597639
Anon, we're all autistic here, but so few of us manage to reach the heights of holy autism such as yourself.
It's a complement.

>> No.46597679

>>46597665
T-thanks I guess

>> No.46597737

>>46596249
>alice is just autistic
That's the case with most 2hus.

For example, Sakuya isn't some emotionless machine, she's just an unhinged retard

>> No.46597979

This thread deteriorated fast.

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>>46596045
Read the printworks, play the games (or read dialogue off the wiki if too casual), read the omake and character texts from the games, and step by step put yourself in the shoes of the character. Think about their motivations, desires, character traits, and ask yourself "what would X do" in different situations. You can't avoid headcanon because you're writing new scenarios and you aren't ZUN, you can't avoid extrapolating their character. The best example is Reimu, her character changes from work to work because it's a deliberate choice by ZUN to write her as she appears in the perspective of others.
>I've never made anything from Reimu's point of view. The games are written in third person omniscient, so only she knows what she's really like. I don't know very well either. We have no idea what's going on in Reimu's head, so she changes depending on whose perspective we see her from. The Reimu that humans see, the Reimu that fairies see, and the Reimu that youkai see are all different. That's probably why she's in a bit of a different position from the protagonists of other works. Also, no matter what work she's in she never grows up at all. She might actually be pretty similar to a final boss. ...In "Urban Legend in Limbo" she finally overcomes that final boss side of herself and shows her true character, though (lol).
Besides, the only people who care about being spot on are faggots who insist their headcanon is the only correct one and leaves no room for alternate interpretation. You don't live in ZUN's head so make your headcanon close enough and call it good.
>>46596167
>Reimu is lazy and wants to coast through life
as one can expect from someone who's power is to float above everything
>>46597737

>> No.46598053

Sanae is slutty
Hope I helped

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>>46598053

>> No.46600925

>>46596045
This is a bad idea.

>> No.46601159

>>46596045
Go to chub ai and see how much of 2hu stuff is there
Your work is redundant

>> No.46602155

>>46596045
chatbots will never be "lore accurate", personalities and detail fluctuate all the time in canon and you wont even get an accurate picture of those from the internet because /jp/ is filled to the brim with secondary retards parroting false opinions. just give up and make the hentai template uguu wankbot you want anyways.

>>46597552
who are you quoting yadda yadda go back crossie retard

>> No.46602681

>>46596045
Shit models will always be shit
Don't use pygger models

>> No.46602697

>>46601159
Not really
The 2hu cards on there are all slop
And I say this as someone who made one of them

>> No.46602709

>>46601159
Actually, point in case for >>46596083, the only Touhou lorebook on there (and perforce the most popular one, period) is largely canon-compliant, except it really does have bits of ridiculous headcanon injected here and there for no apparent reason. For example, Elly being an ex-Shinigami.

How? Why? I have no idea. It's even worse since the lorebook's 80% fine. You can't dismiss it out of hand. It's just picking out those bits of stupid headcanon that makes it a pain.

>> No.46602901

>>46602709
She has a scythe so clearly she is komachi 0.5 you see

>> No.46602956

>>46602709
it also says that eiki serves hecatia when hecatia herself says that she's got nothing to do with the ministry

>> No.46603194

>>46602956
It's always like that. People can't help themselves.

>> No.46603298

Eiki KNEELS to welcome hell lady

>> No.46604684

Imagine basing how you view 2hus on canon printworks.
Can't imagine a worse opinion.

>> No.46605380

>>46596144
I don't see what reimu's tsundere-ness has to do with being sodomised by flandre

>> No.46605521

>>46596045
Transcribe all statements from all characters in all official works. Games, manga series, novels, everything. Share the transcription as a data set.

The wider community will appreciate it, the data set will be usable for other projects, it probably won't get lost if people are using it, and seeing something you worked on be used by the community just feels nice.

Maybe collaborate with some people on it, too. There's more official lore than you might think.

>> No.46605746

>>46602155
>who are you le quoting
Can you be a loser who wants to fit in somewhere else?

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