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>She's the hardest ex boss, right?

4th easiest

>ex
>Yukari

I think you meant Phantasm bro.

Technically, she's not an EX boss.

She's Beyond EX

This also makes her the canon strongest Touhou not named Reimu...
Or Marisa I guess.

hurr durr the stage is called phantasm so she's not an extra boss even though it's identical to every other extra stage and she isn't even the hardest one.

Allright then, if she's not the hardest then who is?

Don't bother saying Nue, she's probably the easiest.

Sariel is a stage 20 boss while Yukari is a mere stage 8 boss.

Did someone call for the strongest?

Danmaku aren't equivalent to power level.

>>6440793
Bwuh- but she's the only windows extra I haven't beaten. Not counting Marisa since I've probably only played Fairy Wars a few hours total.

>Yukari
>hardest EX boss

She's the strongest Touhou, but not for that reason.

Physical Strength: Loses to Oni... and possibly other high tier youkai such as Vampires and Tengu.

Danmaku: Still loses to Suika, given Zun placed her before Suika's difficulty.

She's very intelligent. Her brain works problems faster than a computer can. She's also very wise, having been one of the oldest youkai around. She practically made gensokyo, runs gensokyo, and protects gensokyo, but she doesn't take much credit for it.

Top it off with her power to control borders, which is more or less left to the imagination for its limits, she's one of the most strongest. Being able to change the laws of reality to her whim is not speculated exaggeration according to Perfect Memento.

But to argue she cannot be beaten is disputable, since there are quite a bit of power players in Gensokyo.

Yukari also has an advantage in allies. She is friends with Yuyuko, Suika, and can boss around Ran and Chen. This is also on top of being able to push around Reimu, who obeys reluctantly.

Her fighting track record is X wins, and 3 losses.

Her first loss was during the war against the lunarians. But according to canon she organized a war she knew she had no chance to win in order to teach the youkai a lesson. Her second loss was against Reimu. I don't know if Reimu's win was intentional or not. Her final loss was against the Watatsuki sisters, but it was obvious as all hell she never intended on putting up a fight in the first place.

I don't know if there is another Touhou who can beat her. But I'd say its safe to stick with her.

Yukari doesn't even need to be the strongest, she gets what she wants by manipulating the fuck out of everyone, not by fighting.

Her eldritch powers bullshit is just icing on the cake.

>>6440892
Yeah, this is what makes her interesting.
She tends to scheme a lot instead of just invoking bullshit hax (which she usually reserves for travel).

I always think of Remilia as a wannabe in that sense.

>>6440782
>Yukari
>the canon strongest Touhou

Why is she afraid of Shikieiki then?

>>6440877
The first Lunarian War was apparently started to steal the Moon's new power source, it also was apparently not that large of an invasion and made up of weak youkai only set up as a diversion. Yukari also seemingly lost to the Lunarians a third time during a undisclosed period when she went to the moon on her own, and got captured after she screwed up her equations.

>>6440905
Same reason why she is afraid of jelly donut.

shikieki's power to instantly banish people to hell is frightening, and this is on par with Yukuko's ability to instantly kill anything non-immortal.

But, Yukari is canonically the strongest because her defense is well... unparallelled. She could create a border between your powers themselves, and her, thus rendering herself invincible to them. Her powers are vague, and cover almost every essence of the terms 'borders and gaps' you can imagine. She's not truly invincible by any means, especially given the fact that she is vulnerable during hibernation, and even nearing hibernation, when she's at her weakest.
But I'd definately call her the strongest, as her powers cover the largest field of play, and are god tier in their uses on top of that.

>>6440931
She believed that herself, Yuyuko, and Reimu together would be no match for Shikieiki and she herself said that no one on earth is capable of challenging the Lunarians living in the moon capital. Her powers being vague doesn't mean she only has to wave her finger around to beat everyone, especially when it's shown in canon that it as its limits.

>>6440953
I'd like to note that, given how much of a schemer Yukari is, I'm not sure if we should so quickly believe what she says.

QUALITY TH­R­E­AD

>>6440907
Is that info from CiLR?

>>6440931
We still need to figure out what Yuugi's power actually does. It could be something as simple as SAKE NOT EVEN DROP or she could be GER regarding anything to do with magic/supernatural abilities.

>>6440956
I see no reason not to. Eiki is never "beaten", either. The danmaku session she puts your character through is just an extension of her lecture, and when she's "defeated", she believes she's satisfactorily gotten her point across to your character.

You can't go above Eiki.

>>6442832
Pretty much this.

When will you retards learn that DANMAKU =/= POWER. Characters with great powers usually have good danmaku since their spellcards can be RELATED to their power, but that doesn't mean that a danmaku fight is a show of POWER.

>powerlevels
>Touhou
>Implying anyone ever actually goes all out
I mean, for fuck's sake, Yuugi and Alice are Stage 3 bosses. There's simply no way to tell how strong all the characters would be if they stopped fucking around.

So... who are the hardest EX?

>>6440801
Good point That and she's a messanger of death.

(Just wondering Yukari May be the physical incarnation of The darkness that was the world Before God said let there be light! food for thought)

>>6440765

>the strongest touhou?

Rolling Thunder coming your way.

>>6442851
The ones you have problems to beat.

>>6442870
This kind of randomness is why I love you Arc.

VIVIT > Ex-Alice > Shinki > Shikieiki > ... > Yukari

>>6442880

I aim to please.

You aim too, please.

>>6442896
>Shinki

Easily beaten by Mima, Reimu, Marisa and Yuka.

Yeah no.

We need to stop disscussing yukari and start disscussing WAYS TO KILL HER.

>>6442252
Every thread on /jp/ is quality. With such neurotypical, well adjusted individuals, quality is guaranteed.

>>6442914
In-game is irrelevant, seeing as even the exceptional-tier Touhous can be defeated there.

>>6442939
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh god you can't be that stupid.

So what is relevant? Your speculations base on obscure shit that's not even near of being concrete?

I'm basing my argument on in-game dialogues, at least I have a solid base to use.

Koishi might not be the strongest Touhou, but she's one of the harder Ex bosses, and she's certainly the cutest Touhou.

>>6440911

>>6442951
Koishi could kill a lot of Touhous without them noticing.

>>6442957
Pics information or it didn't happen

>>6442252
QUALITY POST

>>6442950
>OH GOD YOUR SO STUPID
There goes your argument.
He's right, in a sense.

>>6442973
How come? Because you guys are blindly following what Suigin says?

>>6440765
Yukari is the hardest ex boss?
Man, SA's ex boss must be really easy, I managed to beat Yukari with 6 lives left and one bomb. I still haven't 1cc'd SA

>>6442950
By in-game, I meant danmaku battling. Because really, would Cirno beat Sikieiki? The answer is no, except in PoFV. Semi-reliable comparison of all Touhous would be PMiSS.

>>6442976
>Suigin
Uh, what?

>>6442990
>He's right, in a sense.
I'm waiting.

>>6442977
I've beaten Koishi, but I still can't beat Yukari. I've managed to make it to her last spellcard once. I didn't get to see much of it, it seemed deceptively simple at first but then started to become very hard. Freezing the counter whilst you bomb is cruel though.

>>6442996
Are you?
>>6442981

And by all Touhous I mean some of them.

>>6443002
Heheh thanks for confirming my point.

>>6443014
Whose point.

>>6443018
Think for a bit please.

>>6443019
I already elaborated. You are basically replying with an ad hominem, and being deliberately vague.

>>6443029
Should I direct you to my post then? I'm surprised if that's the case though.

>>6443032
You mean.
>>6442950
Lashing out over me being inspecific?

Yukari's strength comes from a combination of a powerful and flexible ability coupled with her keen intellect. Some Touhous are stronger and some Touhous are smarter, but none of them are both stronger AND smarter.

The thing about Yukari that makes everyone uneasy is how incomprehensible her thought patterns are. It's not as innocuous as Yuyuko's disjointed insanity because it follows a pattern of logic; it just happens to be a sort of logic seemingly alien to reality itself.

>>6440877
So why did Yukari attack the moon bitches if she had no intention of winning?

>>6443067
>but none of them are both stronger AND smarter.
[CITATION NEEDED]

>hardest ex boss
That isn't Koishi.

>>6443069

Youkai public image campaign. Convince all the violent youkai to join her for a war against the moon so they get massacred, only BFF youkai remain.

>>6443081

You want a citation? Me. I said it just now and it's now true as far as I care.

I'm fanoning and there's nothing you can do about it.

>She's the hardest ex boss, right?

Yukari isn't an EX boss. She's a "Phantasm"-level boss.

>>6443099
Judging the strongest Touhous based on how easy/hard they are to beat in a Touhou game is invalid. Basically it's a matter of weighing up their supposed powers. And, then the 1001 different interpretations of each, and then a bunch more opinion. Power level discussions suck.

>>6443050
Oh please stop it. If you don't have arguments just say it.

You know they made the spellcard rules for this, right?
At least try to read zun's works.

>>6443127

>>6443109
That's my argument rephrased. Are you done being a prick now?

We all know who has the strongest danmaku.

STILL UNDEFEATED

>>6443136
You mean Reimu?

Only Reimu's routes are canon, and Reimu never fights herself, therefore nobody ever canonically defeats Reimu

>>6443143
No, as much as I love Reimu, I don't think that's true. I think she was bested by Tenshi, at least. And also, I think ZUN said the canon route for UFO was a Marisa route (much to my chagrin).

>>6443143
I've "defeated" Reimu a fair few times by not letting her dodge stuff. I guess I'm the most powerful Touhou now.

>>6443143
ahh the smell of secondary idiocy in the morning

>>6443135
You are basically saying the same thing as him. I don't know what's going on here.

>>6443143
>Only Reimu's routes are canon

All routes are canon.

And even if you disagree, let's assume that routes that lead to other canon events are canon. Which are, for example, Sakuya/Remilia route in Imperishable Night. You know, the one where they fight and beat Reimu.

>>6443180
>all routes are canon
Sometimes that's true, sometimes that's not. Someone here said that the heroines from PCB teamed up on Yukari according to her dialogue in Imperishable Night.

>>6443180
Is it said somewhere that Sakuya and Remilia beat Reimu? Other than playing their route that is.

>>6443176
Same person, and if that doesn't make sense to you you're obviously not trying hard enough.

>>6443219
I'm pretty sure it's not same person.

>>6443199
I don't believe it is. Why would you ask?

>>6443236
It's that kind of thing that canonizes routes.

>>6443230
I can assure you that I know I am the same person.
>>6442981
>>6443135
>>6443109

>>6443256
No, I don't believe beating each other up is ever considered worth mentioning in Gensokyo afterwards. It happens on a daily basis, hardly a thing to reminisce about.

Sakuya's route's ending has them beginning the preparations for the trip to the moon. THAT is the kind of thing that canonizes routes. Except they're all canon; it's just some are undisputably so.

>say Reimu is also undefeated
>start argument about whether or not that's true
>Suika still definitely undefeated

I get the Feeling that THP Just inaved /jp/

Again.

>>6443380
I'm pretty sure Yuugi is also undefeated.

>>6442924

You'd have to find someone who can counter Yukari's boarder dickery at the bare minimum. There aren't a lot of non omnipotent beings that could take her on and win.

In order for somebody to get a guaranteed on kill Yukari, they'd have to be a master of time, space and our base concept of reality.

Basically we gotta find somebody that could out dick Yukari something fierce.

>>6443470
>time
>sakuya

>>6443470
>out dick Yukari

A walking dick of a man.

>>6443482

Time is still a boarder Yukari can dick around with. So that that vector of attack is a no-go.

You need somebody that's close enough to be an omnipotent in order to give Yukari a KTFO.

>>6443487
This is the reason why Norseman's CYOA viking was able to kill yukari in the ALT ending.

>>6443511
Loki can do anything...!

... except beat the Avengers.

>>6443470
>In order for somebody to get a guaranteed on kill Yukari, they'd have to be a master of time, space and our base concept of reality.
see
>>6442896