/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Pretty sure it has to be japanese to be refereed too by a japanese word. Otherwise it is "indie-game" which goes on the video games board if we had one.

The only parts of Spelunky that is like NetHack is the Archeologist class (but not the alignment; Archaeologists can't be Chaotic) and s number of vague similarities in sacrificing.

I've been playing some VVVVVV and Machinarium, which I bought from Steam after last week's deals.
I didn't get to far in the former, but I like the idea of making a Metroidvania game revolving around gravity-flipping. Although I find using outdate graphics way too clichèd, I like the chiptune soundtrack.
As for the latter, I'm about to reach the ending. Somehow, I wish the game was longer and more expansive in terms of locales and inventory, but I appreciate the programmers for what they've done. I have no qualms about this one, as I find it very pleasing in terms of graphics, music and gameplay. The emotive charge that graphics and music give to the player is amazing, you can really tell you can convey strong emotions without saying a word (as it happens in Machinarium, apart from the options menu and the tutorial, every message is purely visual).

>>6557356
The difference between indie games and doujins are basically just that doujin games and their distrubution have much more lax rules.

But if we are to go all nitpicky I guess one could say that all doujin games are indie games, wheras no western developed indie game is a doujin due to having been developed and distributed under western rules rather than the eastern more lax ones for doujins.
Otherwise it is just the same in every way.

Spelunky is an indie game, not a doujin game. And definitely not a roguelike.

Here, have an informative, scathing review.
http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/spelunky/page_01.php
Me, I'd give it an extra star.

I played a bit of Recettear a few hours ago. Silly grinding game. I'm on the third dungeon and have lost the will to continue. Will try again in a few weeks.

I've been playing Elona for the past four months. That's all.

>>6557458 http://insomnia.ac/
Oh boy.

>>6557458

>indie game, not a doujin game

same thing. in before another 300 post thread about definitions.

>>6557431
>The difference between indie games and doujins are basically just that doujin games and their distrubution have much more lax rules.
Doujin games have more lax rules? Than what, indie games? Mainstream games? What rules are these anyway?

Indie means independent; that is developed outside of the direction and funding of a publisher. Maybe self-funded.

I thought doujin originally translated to something like 'hobbyist'. But it's come to describe a similar type of developer, economically. Like indie, the product can be commercial or free.

Both denote small-scale development. Both have also come to describe distinct subcultures within gaming (and other entertainment), with their own particular flavour and history. Indie is international, doujin is local to Japan.

Western indie is not doujin. When we unnecessarily appropriate Japanese words, we use them for Japanese things. This is weeaboo rule #whatever.

>>6557562
I bet you use seiyuu too.

>>6557458
Hahaha, I love this faggot. All butthurt, all the time.

>>6557562
Both indie and doujin are non-commersially distrubuted things.
And this doesn't at all necessarily means that no one makes money on it, or even that money isn't the focus, but it sort of means that the distribution methods aren't the commonly used commersially pipelines, such as regular stores and all that.

Yes, Doujin games follow more lax rules.
And you ask what kind of rules I am talking about?
Mostly rules about things such as copyright, general marketing laws, and things about the general distribution in general.

When making something like that in the west, it is in fact very plausible that some law just steps in and kills your project if you aren't too careful. The same can't really be said for them, or at least not in the same manner.

The majority of the doujin games we have often played and talked about on /jp/, would never have worked if they were developed in the west by westerners due to common western laws.

This is why it is why doujin things offer more room of freedom in regards to the developement, otherwise indie and doujin are the same thing, non-commersial products.

If you were to translate the word doujin, it would also translate into something roughly the same in english.
So when indie would be an independent work, doujin would be something a regular man work.

How are western indie games part of otaku culture, again?
>>>/v/

>>6557739

if World of Tanks is related, then Spelunky is related

>>6557739
The topic says "Doujin games general", which are /jp/ related. The op just happened to have chosen a western made game(And don't try to tell me things like La mulana aren't related, or at least accepted due to the influx of posts concerning them).

>>6557690
>Both indie and doujin are non-commersially distrubuted things.
>And this doesn't at all necessarily means that no one makes money on it, or even that money isn't the focus
>the distribution methods aren't the commonly used commersially pipelines, such as regular stores and all that.
You are using the word 'non-commercial' incorrectly. Activities involving money transfer are by definition commercial, whether common or uncommon.

Indie and doujin are all about the distribution method? I don't think that was ever an essential part of the indie concept. Maybe for doujin(shi). Wikipedia told me the 'shi' in doujinshi means 'periodical publication'. So I gather it's referring to the particular non-standard methods of publication.

I don't think a definition based on distribution method applies usefully any more. Today, digital distribution is used by mainstream and indie and doujin works. And there are arrangements that result in indie games getting sold in retail alongside ordinary publisher-dependent developer games.

>When making something like that in the west, it is in fact very plausible that some law just steps in and kills your project if you aren't too careful. The same can't really be said for them, or at least not in the same manner.
I reckon this is more of a cultural difference between Japan and the West (as opposed so something fundamental to the nature of doujin things). Japan has pretty essentially the same copyright laws (doujin is not exempt from these laws) but the West is more litigious. And litigious types, wherever they operate, are more likely to be attracted to larger-scale commercial activity than hobbyist activities.

Is copyright law what you had in mind?

>>6557659
I use voice actor.

Icycalm on indie vs doujin games:

"Doukutsu Monogatari is a doujin game, not an indie one -- if this distinction seems pedantic to you, hold on to your bile while I explain why I am making it. A doujin game is indeed, roughly speaking, a Japanese indie game -- but this little word, "Japanese", makes a world of difference. Because the doujin scene has given us games like Melty Blood, Big Bang Beat, Akatsuki Denkou Senki, Every Extend, Acceleration of Suguri, Tumiki Fighters, Warning Forever, Imperishable Night, Shoot the Bullet and Trouble Witches -- games which at the time of their release stood right at -- or at least very near -- the cutting edge of their respective genres in terms of complexity (and even sometimes presentation), and which with a little extra effort -- or even as they were, in some cases -- would have had no trouble going up against many of their best commercial rivals -- as many of them in fact eventually did, and to a stunning effect. -- So that's what the doujin scene has given us, and let's now see: what has the Western indie scene given in its turn?"

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/doukutsumonogatari/

They are distinct movements within the game industry, with their own distinct history, culture and market.

>>6557795
World of Tanks isn't related.

They just spam because it's "cool" with the excuse of they liking it.

>>6557795
World of tanks is only related because our mods like to troll. Nothing else of its like is related; World of Tanks remains there as a solitary finger raised against /jp/.

>side scrolling action game rogue-like.
>rogue-like
http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/spelunky/page_01.php

Indie faggot circlejerk =/= Doujin gaming

>insomnia's reviews
ahahahaha this is weeaboo as hell

>>6558360
Why are you quoting that nigger?

>>6558405
>>6558408
>>>/v/

>>6558417
>implying raving about 'superior Japanese game design' and implying that only Japanese people make good games isn't weeaboo

>>6558417
I always thought Icycalm would be the type to browse /jp/, and now I know.

ch

The Japanese refer to Spelunky as a "doujin" game.

Westerners should refer to Cave Story as an "indie" game. But Japanese is SO DAMN COOL so we refer to it as a "doujin" game because we want to be Japanese.

If you really want to differentiate between countries, refer to Japanese indie games as, and this may come as a shock, "Japanese indie games."

>>6558422
But there are reviews of western games on his site.
Deus Ex, Half Life...
>>6558436
IcyCalm can be pretty autistic, so yeah.

>>6558444

Japanese indie games are doujin.
Just as manga is manga and not comics.
Just as anime is anime and not cartoons.

I use the terms do differentiate between western and eastern, I don't give a shit if they use it for everything.

>>6558436
I doubt it. He's said that posting on boards like this (referring to /v/) seems like a waste of time because posts disappear.

But he likes reading and collecting reactions to his site, whereever they appear. Forums and stuff. I am not sure how he'l find threads on 4chan where you have to copy and paste urls, meaning no http referrer. Might have a Google alert set up.

>>6558328
>>You are using the word 'non-commercial' incorrectly. Activities involving money transfer are by definition commercial, whether common or uncommon.
And if you read right below that part I clarified that part as well.
>And this doesn't at all necessarily means that no one makes money on it, or even that money isn't the focus, but it sort of means that the distribution methods aren't the commonly used commersially pipelines, such as regular stores and all that.
I know it is not what the word means, but it is outside of the commersial structure, or how should I put it? If you study economy you should come over names for that sort of stuff.

But really, I am not just spewing out air you know, it has to do with that stuff.
It is also the reason why some companies have both regular companies and doujin circles active at the same time, because they are different and the difference lies in how regular business works.

>>Is copyright law what you had in mind?
Yes
>And you ask what kind of rules I am talking about?
>Mostly rules about things such as copyright, general marketing laws, and things about the general distribution in general.
Their laws actually aren't the same.
Sure they "have" copyright law and that, they have most of all our laws. But the question one should have in mind is more in line of what that law entails.
What copyright law is in the west and the east is not the same thing, but both are called copyright law, and covers roughly the same thing wheras they aren't the same.
Does this make any sense? Or am I too tired to write?

Think about this, when you study law in lawschool, the majority of the later years of stufy if you are to take your studies to that of higher levels, is in fact to learn and sort out the differences of laws of other regions.

Their copyright law is in fact more lax. A few other laws relevant to the making of and distrubution of doujin/indie games are also more lax.

>>6558455
It's perfectly appropriate to refer to Japanese products as comics, cartoons, animation, and independent games.

But the specific term 'indie' has become used to refer to a specific subculture in game development characterised by trends of retrohipsterdom and artfaggotry.

We can have words with multiple meanings.

And no, you shouldn't get stuck up on the part about distrubution, it is about the way it is made and the way it is distributed and all of that.
If Blizzard were to go down, and the developement team of SC2 were to group together calling themselves StarBlizzurd, and continue to make SC3, later marketing it and releasing it in all of the same stores and through all the same channels and all of that, then SC3 would not be an indie game, it is the same thing with doujins.

>And there are arrangements that result in indie games getting sold in retail alongside ordinary publisher-dependent developer games.
You won't go and TES:5 next to an indie game in any regular store.
Same thing as to why Japanese won't go and buy Disgaea 4 next to a doujin game.

Also,
>Field too long
Bleh I tell you, I really were too tired for this.
But as others have already pointed out, that I should have just summarized nice and easily, and short, early in the thread.
As I said, there is no difference, this I actually did say.
But then I had to go on about how it is easier to make indie products in Asia than in the west. The post caught soem attention and now I am just too tired.
But there is no difference, and they don't differ between it either.

>>6558473
>He's said that posting on boards like this (referring to /v/) seems like a waste of time because posts disappear.
Sounds like someone who overestimates the importance of his opinion.

>>6558500
Understatement of the year.

>>6558478
>I know it is not what the word means, but it is outside of the commersial structure, or how should I put it? If you study economy you should come over names for that sort of stuff.
Something like chain of supply and funding? I'd agree that that should be considered an essential characteristic.

>What copyright law is in the west and the east is not the same thing, but both are called copyright law, and covers roughly the same thing wheras they aren't the same.
>Does this make any sense? Or am I too tired to write?
You're being vague. Can you point out some specific differences in the laws? Thanks to the Berne convention, copyright laws is essentially internationally harmonious, as far as I know. If you can point out relevant differences with respect to videogame development, I'd be interested.

>A few other laws relevant to the making of and distrubution of doujin/indie games are also more lax.
Which laws?

There are hardly any legal relevant legal restrictions on game development in the West. Or on publishing software online.

It's probably harder to get physical distribution going. Cause there's no established doujin market here. This seems like a mostly economic matter of historical happenstance. Not much of a legal issue. Can you name specific relevant laws?

Obscenity laws? Tax?

>>6558497
>You won't go and TES:5 next to an indie game in any regular store.
I had to Google TES. I assume you're using it as an example of a mainstream game. In that case, you're just wrong. I saw Braid and Defcon in GAME.

>But there is no difference
Between indie and doujin? They can be used synonymously, or they can be distinguished.

>>6558392
>http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/spelunky/page_01.php

10/10 would rage again.
The guy is an idiot and he doesn't know a damned thing.

Also...
>fagot

Every. Fucking. Time.

>>6558643
I started reading one article by that faggot after getting it linked at some point.

After three lines I could already tell the author is an enormous fucktard who doesn't understand shit but thinks he's enlightened.

Okay, just because they haven't been mentioned yet: Holdover and Mystical Chain.

>>6558643
>>6558659
If you are going to use the "This guy is retarded and doesnt know shit about anything" please elaborate as to why or shut the fuck out.
Otherwise you are as retarded as him.

>>6558643
Got any specific disagreements?
What riled you up the most?

>>6558599
>TES
The Elder Scrolls.
That is, Morrowind, Oblivion, but also the older games such as Daggerfall and Arena.

>>6558676
>>6558678

Samefag defending his pathetic review.

>>6558692
1. We're not the same person.
2. You've articulated no specific criticisms against what Icy has written. There's no attack, so how can we defend?

Why was wrong with the Spelunky review?

Expecting more generic insults, maybe comments on Icy's writing style and attitude.

>>6558678
>>6558676

Not that guy, but he spends too much time rambling on and cannot get to the fucking point. I just want to know about the quality of the game, not listen to him whine for half a page about the meaning of doujin vs. indie like a 13-year-old on /a/ getting all fussy because somebody called his precious anime "cartoons."

Split it up into sections, label one "pointless babbling" and the other "relevant information." Get an editor who points out redundancies and learn how to handle constructive criticism.

My problem with him is that he's a massive aspie that bans everyone from his forums when they have a different opinion.

>>6558726
>Why was wrong with the Spelunky review?

I have a hunch that you're the writer.

>Expecting more generic insults, maybe comments on Icy's writing style and attitude.

Nope. That's got nothing to do with it.

>>6558726
>Why was wrong with the Spelunky review?

HURR my piece of shit computer can't run a god-damn Gamemaker game and my ham hands make me incapable of controlling it even though it's like every fucking platformer ever made.

>>6558736
>Not that guy, but he spends too much time rambling on and cannot get to the fucking point.
Part of writing criticism involves responding to other (incorrect) criticisms. So what you call rambling, I call relevant background discussion.

>Get an editor who points out redundancies
Can you point out any?

>>6558745
>I have a hunch that you're the writer.
No, I'm just one of the forum members.
Tell me, what was so great about Spelunky?

>>6558769
Okay, you may have a point about his hardware. My 3 year old laptop ran Spelunky fine. His issues with the controls must be partly based on this deficiency.

This thread

>>6558806
>Part of writing criticism involves responding to other (incorrect) criticisms. So what you call rambling, I call relevant background discussion.

Relevant background discussion, perhaps, but inexcusable when he's oh so wrong about so many things, makes ridiculously bad mistakes in an attempt to "correct" things, and flatly lies.

>Can you point out any?
Can you pay me a meager amount to be his editor? I'm perfectly willing to help, even if I disagree with some of the bile he has to spew, and I'm good as well as cheap. An editor's job isn't to have an opinion on the specific matter in question.

>No, I'm just one of the forum members.
Close enough.

>Tell me, what was so great about Spelunky?
Tell me, what is so great about the reviewer?

>His issues with the controls must be partly based on this deficiency.
I can guarantee that they are entirely based on that deficiency.

>>6558455
>Just as manga is manga and not comics.
>Just as anime is anime and not cartoons.
But manga are comics and anime are cartoons.

Semantics thread!

>>6558958
But, manga has its own kanji, it's different! 漫画!

>>6558673
>Okay, just because they haven't been mentioned yet: Holdover and Mystical Chain.
Holdover is a pretty rad game as long as you aren't bothered by the nudity (and this is 4chan, so I doubt anyone reading this is). My biggest complaint with it was how short it was. Just as I really get in the grove the game ends.

>>6558878
>Relevant background discussion, perhaps, but inexcusable when he's oh so wrong about so many things, makes ridiculously bad mistakes in an attempt to "correct" things, and flatly lies.
So many wrong things, and lies, but no examples?

>Tell me, what is so great about the reviewer?
I'd like to discuss the game and the review, not icy himself.

>I can guarantee that they are entirely based on that deficiency.
And the fact that you can't attack in an upward direction. And he didn't like the whip having its pre-attack pull-back animation/lag. He also said something about having to pick up bombs by pressing two buttons. I just downloaded and played the game a little bit. The extra bomb box doesn't require you to press buttons to pick it up (except when it's a shop item). And it makes sense for live bombs to not be automatically picked up. Anyway, nothing to do with icy's macbook air (or whatever he's using now).

>>6559012
Ah, that swimsuit girl game. Now that I'm back on Windows, I need to grab that.

>>6559012
>aren't bothered by the nudity

I maybe saw her naked twice without dying outright.
It's nice that she's still naked for the ending part if you do it without any clothes.
It's bad that she's still covering up her nipples.

>>6559012
Danmaku battle. Did you find it fun?

>>6559111
>So many wrong things, and lies, but no examples?

Yes. I don't feel like writing an in-depth dissection of everything that some retard writes, especially when I know without a doubt that no matter how accurate the dissection is, the person it is responding to will flatly deny absolutely everything and pretend that his pathetic opinion is the ultimate truth, no exceptions.
That's why, you idiot.

>And the fact that you can't attack in an upward direction.

You don't have to, and you actually can, but not with the whip. So he's lying right there. Besides, that's not about the controls anyway.

>And he didn't like the whip having its pre-attack pull-back animation/lag.

Boo-fucking-hoo. Tell the baby to stop playing games, period. Not only does it make sense that a whip would have a precursor to its actual attack, but it's ridiculously easy to compensate for this effective delay. So he's either completely retarded, or he can't appreciate the style added by such a thing. Or both. I'm going with both.

>He also said something about having to pick up bombs by pressing two buttons.

It's not a problem; he's just retarded.

>>6557458

lol, nice. I actually came into this thread with the intention of posting this.

Icycalm is the best writer on videogames today -- this accolade even feels insulting, actually, because it implies he has competition. I've been reading insomnia for 3 years now and have concluded that the dude is a fucking genius. I don't give a shit about what you think of his personality or his morality or whatever it is you nitpick; look at his writing. Look at On the Geneaology of "Art Games". There is no one around writing on games at that level and there never really has been.

The complete dismissal of insomnia by 4chan dwellers is curious, though. I noticed it on /v/ too, but /v/ is full of retards so that's not much of a puzzle. I took the average /jp/ user to be of at least average intelligence, and yet we see cookiecutter subhuman reactions such as:

>All butthurt, all the time.

stated as though they're meaningful. Read, guys. Don't engage in this stupid groupthink. Read the site. There are big words. But that's what happens when you read outside of h-games, you'll get used to it.

Royal Edoma Engine
http://www.mediafire.com/?01eoub7y3snas3g

Doujin games, you say?

>>6558643

I am also lol'ing at this.

>The guy is an idiot and he doesn't know a damned thing.

"The guy" who has the entire history of philosophy at his disposal, as well as a masters degree in engineering (read the Work thread) "knows nothing", while the dude who sits on /jp/ all day and has a wide knowledge base of uh... Fate/stay Night, I guess? knows everything!

>>6559151
>>6559160

Trying too hard, troll more subtly.

>>6559166

So it's not /v/-exclusive, then. Retardation is alive and kicking right here in /jp/. Interesting.

>>6559164
Is this from demonophobia? I don't think I remember this scene.

trolling is a art

>>6559151

>The complete dismissal of insomnia by 4chan dwellers

You'll notice it on 99.9% of gaming websites, that other .1% being insomnia.

Of course, it is useless to try to talk reason to someone like you, as your childish writing style indicates A) you are the site owner or B) you are one of the handful of retarded teenagers who think that his super edgy site is the coolest thing since Maddox.

>>6559172
yep. 4th level. if you go back to the room with the poison gas (NW of the starting room) after beating the boss you'll get that scene.

>>6559173
>a
HIBBIT?

>>6559176

-shrug-

Again, a lot of words saying absolutely nothing. You have a problem with the site, but never state why. A stream of ad hominems, yet one of the main criticisms of icy is his use of ad hominems. A bunch of cookiecutter, throwaway words picked up from the internet and designed to render the opponent stupid ("edgy", "teenagers").

>99.9% of gaming websites

lol

>>6558643
Hmm. Trying to take his review at a face value, but he just seems like a very angry nerd. What crawled into him and died?

>>6559186

Miss us?

We don't miss you!

>>6559176

Put another way, using the article I mentioned:

Have a look (reading is probably beyond you, so I won't go as far as asking that): http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_the_genealogy_of_art_games/

Tell me one gaming website that reaches anywhere near such a level of incision, depth, sensitivity, penetration, sagacity, etfuckingc.

Just one. No more required. Show me one case of someone on the internet who has even brought up the issues put forward in that article.

And if you wish to dismiss that part by saying the issues are discussed incorrectly, or whatever -- read it, and tell me it doesn't make sense, also showing -why-.

See, this is how we debate things in big boy land. Not with greentext and offhand words we've picked up through years of plaguing our brain with 4chan. With reason and purpose.

>>6559151
The dismissal likely can be attributed to a few things. His scathing, arrogant style of writing first and foremost, the length of some articles and reviews, and most people not being that acquainted with philosophy.

So, someone sees a link to an Insomnia article, reads the first paragraph and says, "fuck this". I know I had a similar reaction when I first encountered his writing. It wasn't until much later that I actually sat down and read anything of his seriously. I'm a convert, but I don't know if all of his fans are. Maybe they got it the first time around.

>>6559191
It didn't die.

>>6559153
>>6559164
i still love how creative they were about the ways she died
like being raped by the yellow slime and dissolving her leaving vital organs, as a sex slave
i hope xenophobia comes out soon.

>>6559202

Oh yeah, I forgot the other stock method retards use to dismiss any discussion of insomnia: "lol u defend dat site u mus be icycolm lol u mad?? lahha"

Oh well. Maybe you'll learn one day.*

*you won't

>>6559207

>So, someone sees a link to an Insomnia article, reads the first paragraph and says, "fuck this".

This is probably 100% correct. Illiterate fucking retards, every last one of them. Oh no, the text doesn't move when I click! There's no h-scenes, lol!

>>6559150
3/10

>>6559211
wait what scene was that?

>>6559150
>Yes. I don't feel like writing an in-depth dissection of everything that some retard writes, especially when I know without a doubt that no matter how accurate the dissection is, the person it is responding to will flatly deny absolutely everything and pretend that his pathetic opinion is the ultimate truth, no exceptions.
>That's why, you idiot.
I already ceded some points to you. Assuming you're the same person I've been replying to. I don't know why you're attacking me now.

>You don't have to, and you actually can, but not with the whip. So he's lying right there. Besides, that's not about the controls anyway.
Okay, you can attack directly upward with the rope. (But why not the whip or other items?)
A mistake is not a lie.

I had no problem getting used to the whip either. Or picking up items. (I forget the method for opening chests though.)

>>6559207
>scathing, arrogant style

We normally call that "opinionated", and I'm using quotes because bla bla bla ramble ramble.

Yes, I am mocking him.

>>6559232

>Yes, I am mocking him.

No, you're showing your own retardation. I take it "ramble" essentially means "anything longer than 2 paragraphs and involving ideas that go beyond children's literature"? Again, you faggots (or should that be fagots?) speak but say absolutely nothing. No real criticism, no real points of contention, simply reflection after reflection of your own stupidity.

>>6559215

Well, you type like 12 year old on AIM and suck his dick at every opportunity. That kind of narrows it down.

>>6559204
And I've only seen a single video where a man breaks a glass jar in his ass. Care to show me any others? Just one.

>>6559151
>/jp/ user
>average intelligence
Wrong board, bro. /tg/ is that --> way

Seriously. While every board thinks they are the best board on 4chan, /tg/ gets universal respect.

>>6559254

To take one sample from insomnia off hand:

>But do you understand why the behemoths' content gets preferential treatment by the search engines? Because of the search engine manipulation shenanigans engaged in by the behemoths' worker drones, who are being paid to sit around all day figuring out ways to accomplish this.

What kind of 12 year olds do you speak to, exactly?

Don't answer that, lol.

>>6559258

And so your response is one line and consists of nothing (oh wait -- an ill formed analogy, okay then). I love when rebukes do little more than prove my point.

>>6559247
But I just did? Reviews should be done case by case basis, not comparing to whatever nostalgia games you played in the past. Most of his article was swearing, insults and comparisons to games most of the younger generation have not played. You do not do that *if* you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise you are trying too hard, like most movie critics are.

This is my argument and my main complain against him, not that the game in question is good or not.

But no matter. Eirin's glorious butt shall appease this fragile heart of mine.

>>6559307

>Reviews should be done case by case basis, not comparing to whatever nostalgia games you played in the past.

aaand you did it again. Hello, retardation.

You physically cannot review ANYTHING on a "case by case" basis, you fucking spastic. The moment you sit down to play, nevermind review, a game, you are comparing it to every other game you've played. That is exactly where your opinion of it comes from.

I don't even know why I'm bothering. How do you cross the fucking road without help?

>>6559307

By the way:

>Most of his article was swearing

Irrelevant, and "most" is a gross overstatement.

>insults

Nothing wrong with comedic interludes.

>and comparisons

i.e. the only basis upon which anything is reviewed. So "most of" his review was a review. Well... cool, lol.

>>6559224
it happens when you're killed by the falling slime after the nightmare house stage.

>>6559160

I sure as hell know more about philosophy than that retard, and you're pretending that engineering applies to fucking everything. You've gotten so used to sucking his ass that you forget to wipe the shit from the corner of your mouth. He's not a genius, and he's barely competent. Hell, I question his ability when it comes to engineering, too.

Oh, and I don't really do Fate/Stay Night. At least not yet.

>>6557458
>first several dozen lines are the author sperging about definitions
Stopped reading at the analogy about wolves and fish. This guy has a serious case of SHUT THE FUCK UP-itis.

>>6559342

>I sure as hell know more about philosophy than that retard

lol, ok

>>6559354

>Stopped reading

Stopped reading, then made a judgement. Interesting. We now see exactly where all this misguided criticism stems from -- attention deficit disorder.

>>6559258
What kind of game was this?
>>6559261
We are still cool with /tg/, try harder.

>Here's a game that's basically just one long walk across a landscape that looks like it was made with MS Paint. It's shit. Actually, Knytt is so bad, so boring, so full of nothing, that it's hard for me to even know what to address first, because there's barely anything there.

Autism.

This writer is autistic, right?

Thread degenerated fast.

That's nothing like nethack, by the way.

>>6559330
>>6559368
>>6559337
Either you are a rather persistent troll samefagging it up, or you are the spergoid himself.

If you are truly a fan of his, it is no wonder you spew the same nonsense he does. Ad hominem much?
<--

>>6559396

>4chan meme

>Guys, validate my non-opinion, please? C'mon, I might have to resort to an attempt at actual criticism otherwise : (

>>6559204
>Tell me one gaming website that reaches anywhere near such a level of incision, depth, sensitivity, penetration, sagacity, etfuckingc.
>Just one. No more required.

You're making the patently wrong assumption that HIS does. It doesn't.

>>6559396
>he thinks icycalm wrote the knytt review

>>6559406

Wow.

I wonder if there is anyone on this entire website who can debate in anything but memes and off-hand remarks actually intended to CLOSE any chance of discussion? It's quite remarkable. It makes me question to what extent you do it consciously, rather than as the result of the intellectual stunting this site has done to you. Poor dears.

Anyway, I'm out. I've been here almost an hour and no one has managed to challenge a single thing I've said with anything more than these sort of posts. You had your chance.

(Note how the little faggot doesn't even manage to make an accusation of ad hominem without resulting to a catchphrase. And even then, so what? Ad hominem is not in fact necessarily a logical fallacy -- really, dude! Look it up! In a book, even!)

I once had a dream that icycalm fucked my girlfriend. It was like an out-of-body experience; I was watching them from above, rutting on my bed. It was nearly pitch black, but I could somehow see every detail from silver reflections off their sweaty, shimmering bodies.

I woke up covered in sweat, panting. I'd woken her up from struggling to move. She asked me what I was dreaming about, and I did something incredibly stupid; I told her.

She started reading insomnia.ac. She started checking the forums several times a day. She started posting on them, more than I post. At some point icy let her into the staff forum, and God knows what they talked about there. I was banned for being a fagot who lets women fuck him in the ass. I think I know why that happened. A few weeks ago, my girlfriend and I discussed the idea of pegging. She's the one who brought it up, but we never actually did it! Within a month she was on a plane to meet icy in Stockholm.

That's real the end of the dream. I don't have a real girlfriend. But in the dream she looked like this (see image). Yeah, my dreams last subjective weeks, u jelly?

>>6559443
Warning:
A huge statement
"no one gives a fuck"
has entered the thread

>>6559227
>Okay, you can attack directly upward with the rope. (But why not the whip or other items?)

The whip wouldn't make sense. Don't believe me? You don't know how to use a whip. You can attack directly upward with other items, you idiot. Ever use the machete? Idiot.

>A mistake is not a lie.

It's a lie by omission (in the case of complaining about no method to attack up when methods do exist, even a regular weapon with that specific feature). Mistakes can be lies in other ways, too. You're just skirting around the issue to protect your virtual saviour. Stop that, idiot.

>>6559368

No, my judgement arrived after I finished reading that ignorant pile of masturbatory autism.

And I'm autistic, so fuck you.

>>6559443
>Anyway, I'm out. I've been here almost an hour and no one has managed to challenge a single thing I've said with anything more than these sort of posts. You had your chance.

Except I did, and as I said would happen, you ignored it and declared reality to be whatever you dictate it to be. You are confirmed for being the reviewer himself.

>Illustration of philosophical ignorance.

Doubly confirmed for being the reviewer himself.

>>6559478
>never used a whip in real life before
>never played super castlevania 4 before
>he think videogames need to be grounded in reality

Oh boy, now we can talk about video games.

>>6559442
He links to it in his Spelunky article; that means he agrees with it.

>>6559478
Okay, I'm loading up Spelunky again.
I swear you can't throw shit directly upwards.
I'm right, you can't. Only diagonally.
I hardly ever saw that shitty machete weapon. Probably because I spent most time playing on an early version of the game that didn't have it.
The guns can't shoot up or diagonally.

>A mistake is not a lie.
>It's a lie by omission
A lie is an intentional attempt to deceive. A mistake is unintentional. Learn what words mean.

I wish this guy updated his blog more often:
http://godhatesicy.blogspot.com/
Are you him?

Icycalm is the proof that even if a monkey can read Schopenhauer and Bourdieu, he will still act like a monkey.

Also: hi icycalm

>>6559549
>>never used a whip in real life before

I never implied that it cannot be used to attack upwards, just that it wouldn't make sense as a basic and fast attack for a man who is most likely not an expert. You're the one who has never used a whip before in his life.

>>never played super castlevania 4 before
I have, you idiot.
>>he think videogames need to be grounded in reality
I don't, which is why I can enjoy Castlevania, and many other games.

>>6559595
I have used a whip.

Gravitational forces will teach you a painful lesson that you do not use your whip upwards..

>>6559578
>A lie is an intentional attempt to deceive. A mistake is unintentional. Learn what words mean.

You need to learn what words mean. If someone is writing about something, in a manner meant to imply familiarity or other knowledge about said subject, then a mistake of that magnitude is fair to be compared to a lie by omission.

I'll bet you've never read a thesis before, have you? Or ANY scientific paper of any kind.
Or written one, for that matter.

>Are you him?
I don't blog.
Except on /jp/.
Just kidding.

>>6559595
>I never implied that it cannot be used to attack upwards, just that it wouldn't make sense as a basic and fast attack for a man who is most likely not an expert.
Why the devil shouldn't an action game protagonist be preternaturally adept with every weapon and tool available to him? It makes perfect sense.

>>6559621
Yeah, you can compare a mistake to a lie. That doesn't make it one.

What do you think of icy's Genealogy of Art Games article? Or his Brief History of Cutscenes?

>>6559616
but if Simon Belmont can defy physics, then its only logical any fictional character can

>>6559668
>Yeah, you can compare a mistake to a lie. That doesn't make it one.

Are you even capable of reading? Look, you're narrowing on just one lie. He has lied at other times. But of course you'll just deny reality, since being so firmly affixed to his ass you must believe he's a godsend, else you'd just look like an idiot.

>>6559668
>What do you think of icy's Genealogy of Art Games article? Or his Brief History of Cutscenes?

I don't feel like wasting my time to read them right now. You've not even done a good job defending one review of his. What reason do I have to believe that it will just be more of the same idiocy, lying, et al? Absolutely none.

>>6559719

>I don't feel like wasting my time to read them right now.

Fucking retard. "I'll criticise this site, but I won't bother reading its main articles!"

Icy makes it clear that you won't understand the point he's trying to put across without reading a select number of articles on insomnia designated as essential to the site itself. Therefore, until you do so, you have no grounds upon which to attack him: how can you when you haven't even read his main works? Would you take someone seriously if they called Shakespeare a shitty writer but hadn't ever read Hamlet or King Lear?

>>6559759
>Icy makes it clear that you won't understand the point he's trying to put across without reading a select number of articles on insomnia designated as essential to the site itself.

Now it is starting to sound like a religion. Which is quite creepy by itself.

>>6559759

This isn't only a direct response to you, by the way, it goes for many people in this thread.

For instance: hands up, please. Who amongst the insomnia haters in this thread understands the concept of simulation in the Baudrillardian sense? Who even knew that icycalm is concerned with it? Do you understand what he means by "art games"? "Videogame art"? It's probably not what you do think. Do you know his argument against the word "gameplay"? Do you know why he links complexity, depth and skill? Do you understand why one of the most read articles on insomnia is a critique of "RPG" as a label?

Unless you can honestly answer "yes" to every single question there, you have no right to talk shit about insomnia.

I'd love to see you guys writing an academic paper (fat chance, lol). "I didn't actually bother reading Mr. X's views on subject X, but I think he's wrong. And stupid."

But nevermind, I'm sure someone will chime in with a great response to this post by way of greentext and a few memes, all of which say absolutely nothing.

>>6559719
>But of course you'll just deny reality, since being so firmly affixed to his ass you must believe he's a godsend
I've already ceded many of your points. I've said I don't agree with his whole review. But you keep saying I'm some sycophant who'll defend everything he says. You're the one denying reality here.

>You've not even done a good job defending one review of his.
Half this exchange was trying to painfully draw out specific criticisms from your vague attacks. I can't respond to unspecified complaints.

Managed to get you to back away from accusations of (paraphrasing) 'flat out lies' to 'lies by omission... by mistake'. Yeah that's my accomplishment for the day.

I'm wondering if you have any prior familiarity with icy's writing. I'd like to know your reaction to what (if anything) you previously read.

>>6559782

Again:

>all of which say absolutely nothing.

How many times does this need to be addressed? You guys SAY NOTHING. It's remarkable. There is never even a hint of rebuke or criticism in what you right, even (in fact, particularly!) when it's in response to something you disagree with.

The /jp/ response, then, to anything remotely intellectually challenging: 1) 4chan meme 2) some stupid off the cuff groupthink they've picked up through years of reading nothing but the internet 3) the "icy fallacy" as I'll dub it here: aka "you agree with icycalm, ergo you are icycalm". Every single one of them a cop out, a way of eluding the argument because you have nothing to add to it.

>>6559802
Who cares fuck you and fuck that control freak nerd and everyone lampreyed to his ass.

>>6559782

Again:

>all of which say absolutely nothing.

How many times does this need to be addressed? You guys SAY NOTHING. It's remarkable. There is never even a hint of rebuke or criticism in what you write, even (in fact, particularly!) when it's in response to something you disagree with.

The /jp/ response, then, to anything remotely intellectually challenging: 1) 4chan meme 2) some stupid off the cuff groupthink they've picked up through years of reading nothing but the internet 3) the "icy fallacy" as I'll dub it here: aka "you agree with icycalm, ergo you are icycalm". Every single one of them a cop out, a way of eluding the argument because you have nothing to add to it.

>>6559759
>Fucking retard. "I'll criticise this site, but I won't bother reading its main articles!"

You're retarded. I'm criticizing the author's work, specifically in the review in question, and suggesting that there's little to no reason for me to read anything else of his if something like this is THIS pathetically bad.

>Icy makes it clear that you won't understand the point he's trying to put across without reading a select number of articles on insomnia designated as essential to the site itself.
>BLAHBLAHBLAH

Oh, I get it. He's an oh-so-sensitive artiste who simply is too DEEP unless I've read something else of his. No, when I went to that review's page, there was nothing at all insisting that I read this or that or the other before I would start reading the review. If it was truly critical to the review, it would precede the review and insist that I read it before the review. This was not the case. You're blowing smoke out of your ass.

>Therefore, until you do so, you have no grounds upon which to attack him: how can you when you haven't even read his main works?

I have perfectly good grounds upon which to attack him. The review in question, and all of the shit that's been dealt with about that horribly ignorant and pathetic review.

continued...

>>6559839
...continuation

>Would you take someone seriously if they called Shakespeare a shitty writer but hadn't ever read Hamlet or King Lear?

I'm not taking you seriously for comparing this retard to Shakespeare. Also, you wouldn't need to point to Hamlet or King Lear to properly defend Shakespeare. If the person had not read ANYTHING by Shakespeare, then I might consider them quite loopy, sure. I certainly don't think it necessary to read their main works or any specific works unless the author's merit to literature lies solely with that one work (which is the case for some authors).

Unless you truly believe that the only worthwhile pieces of writing this reviewer has written are those two articles, then go ahead and admit such a thing, but don't go defending this review by distorting reality and then backpedaling to insist that I MUST read these other things.

Fuck you; I'm not reading any more of this monkey's gibberish.

>>6559802
My answer is this: He is looking too deeply into it. He takes the game out of videogame. Maybe he should try to have fun, if he is capable of that.

We are not discussing philosphy. We are discussing cute, small games made by one guy in his free time. Nothing more, nothing else.

>>6559802
>He thinks the reviewer is so much above us when in fact he's a pitiful little shitbag and you have to make him a godsend to not feel even more pitiful for suckling his anus.

You know what is the worst part about Icycalm?
He is one of few writers on the gaming community worth giving a shit about, even with all his rage and autism.
I swear the gaming community is one of the worst and more ignorant about their own fucking hobby out there.

spelunky sucks, insomnia said so.

>>6559865

>My answer is this: He is looking too deeply into it.

And the insomnia answer is this: there is no issue that goes deeper than those relating to video games.

Does that sound ridiculous? Yes, at first glance. When I found the site years back I also remember finding its vision a little farfetched. Skip forward a few dozen or so articles, and it's pretty much complete. Seriously, I urge you to read at least the main articles if you have the time. I'm not even going to swear at yout his time, I'm simply suggesting some extremely interesting material to another person who may be capable of appreciating it. If you don't, then so be it. But at least give something a chance before dismissing it outright.

>>6559891
Stop riding icycalm's dick.
Even if he wasn't an autistic douchebag, this would be embarrassing.

>>6559865
(not the other guy who replied to you)
On the smallness and indieness of the game: who cares? He's comparing it to other games that are like it, 2D platformers from years ago. Which is exactly what it needs to be compared to.

Long version, see last paragraph (for a different game, but you can extrapolate)
http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/doukutsumonogatari/

>>6559891
>And the insomnia answer is this: there is no issue that goes deeper than those relating to video games.

If only we had someone with at least half a brain to delve into such issues.
And your personal savior doesn't fucking count, due to being idiotic, ignorant, retarded, and most importantly, horrifically wrong on every point.

Side note:
For every notable doujin game, aren't there a bunch of shit games as well?

Not everything crapped out of Japan is gold.

And there are some great indie titles here too.

90% of everything is shit.
But the remaining 10% is worth digging for...


Also:
If you haven't realized it yet, the worst possible way to praise something is to make claims about how deep it is.

It's like I'm in a heated Eva LOLDEEP discussion right now...

>>6559875

Half-agree with this. There aren't a lot of people that really care about games. But people only know about icycalm because he is incredibly annoying. Most of the time (as with this thread) he is met with derision and is rarely taken seriously.

See also:
http://thetriforce.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=8309.0

http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?s=8e5654429fb095b8b689027be2b4d467&showtopic=202307&st=
0

endless retardation on shmupsforum

Sup guys.
Also, I am not pro or anti Insomnia but reportedly Icycalm sucks at Shmups.

Cave Story
Holdover
Bunny Must Die
Mystic Chain

Everything else is shit tier because I haven't played them yet.

>>6560137
The second is obviously fake.
Not saying tha Icycalm doesnt go to forums and after shitfests, just pointing out that particular one is fake.

>Insomnia
Angry and opinionated idiot.
His reviews aren't actually reviews, they're more "This game isn't hard enough! Why isn't it hard?"
with a bit of "Why isn't this exactly like Game X. Oh and Game Y did this feature before!"

Full of rage and doesn't actually have an argument as to why a game is bad apart from "IT'S NOT DIFFICULT ENOUGH!".
How surprising.

>>6560189
Rllmuk icycalm is genuine icycalm. He posted in another very long thread there, which was unfortunately deleted. And he was banned.

PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI

>>6560231
>banned
I wonder why?

>>6560231
>Rllmuk icycalm is genuine icycalm. He posted in another very long thread there, which was unfortunately deleted. And he was banned.

The one this post mentions?

>Nah, it was the other Icycalm thread that was the >best. Unfortunately it was deleted for some stupid >reason. Maybe it could be restored by the new mods >somehow? It seriously was incredible. He was >arguing about philosophy with Steven Poole, who for >some reason Icycalm hated. Basically, at some >point Icy seriously claimed that he and he alone in >the world could entirely comprehend the total >meaning of all the great philosophers' works.

Confirmation of my assessment of the guy.

>>6560354

Bleh, ignore the formatting error. I don't know what I was thinking.

>>6560354
Yes.
Read about it here.
http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?p=8131

>>6560406
>MAN, those asshats! The best thread they ever had and they delete it! It must have been the shame of having an outsider call them stupid for 40 pages. They finally decided they couldn't live with that! Thank god I had saved that one big post of mine, but there were several others I could use. Does anyone know how to use Google's cache to get a copy of the entire thread?

The more I read him, the more of an asshat he seems.

And I love how he dismisses the guy in his OP completely.

>>6560406
>The best thread they ever had and they delete it!

This guy is psychotic.

bump

>>6563313
OP here, thanks.

>>6563320
http://forum.insomnia.ac/viewtopic.php?p=13996&sid=5f464a0a6cda8d913dc5133fe23d0cca#13996
He found us.

We immortal now.

>>6564254
I knew it had to be him in this thread. He was so obvious. The poor thing.

>>6564254
So he not only picks and chooses the posts he likes, ignoring the ones he doesn't, but he literally doesn't understand what words mean.

Hilarious.

>>6564273
>I knew it had to be him in this thread. He was so obvious. The poor thing.

Remember I called it early on. I am a genius.

Currently playing some mahjong game involving stripping little girls. Pic related.

Someone summarize this thread.

>>6564532
>Someone summarize this thread.

You can't. To truly grasp the complexities of the thread, you must read through it in full, and read every link that was given in full as well. There's no way that such a DEEP thread could be boiled down to a few sentences. It's a work of art!

>>6564532
Autistic asshole comes to anonymously stroke his e-penis on /jp/, gets served, cries about it on his forum.

>>6557458
I wrote a hack that automatically offers best price for selling and revels map in dungeon mode. Game is easy modo after this, all griding gone. I can share it if someone wants.

>>6564542
>>6564541
Oh I see, I thought I was missing things but I was correct in my thinking. People should learn to take it easy, they're just video games and discussions.

>>6558360
You now realize the OP trolled you.

Brave Story is fairly nice.

>>6564611

Oops, got the name wrong.
I meant to say BraveGear.

Feels kinda nice having no idea who the raging dude is even though I play a lot of indie games and even buy some to support the makers.

Feels kinda bad that I hate and think he's as autist as they get now, even though I have no idea who he is.

Oh, wow. I'm so proud that there are at least two people besides me here who read insomnia.ac and aren't superbutthurt for whatever reason. This is more that I ever seen in any other board or forum and I'm proud of wasting my pathetic live with you fags, here it this shithole that is /jp/.
Here, have a loli.
This is all.

>>6564676

Sad that your personal saviour is a retarded piece of shit whose idiocy won't fly when honestly evaluated, and won't stand up to scrutiny? Get the fuck out of here.

>>6564520
Source?

>>6564715

pick a random Japanese PC game from the 90s. there is a good chance that it will be strip mahjong.

>>6564639

just ignore him. like Chris-chan, it is a waste of time trying to reason.

>>6564676
/v/ here. insomnia.ac is a shithole that cannot take the fact that people want to play games for fun. evidence of that is when i got banned for pointing out you were fucking idiots for hating the fact that TF2 had no conc jumping or "advanced" tournament strategies that were really just physics exploits in the fucking engine.

>>6558366
>They just spam because it's "cool" with the excuse of they liking it.

Hate to kill your delusions but we keep it to one thread, which is significantly less spam than WHOS UR FAV TOWHOW.

>>6564786
i forgot to filter sagefags on here. since they usually have nothing to contribute to the thread while under the illusion they aren't fucking attention whores for it.

>>6564798

You don't understand what it means to use "sage".
Get the fuck out of here.

>>6564806
i don't think you do either. sage does nothing. so when you put it in the email field, you are drawing attention to your post to say: LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! HEY GUYS I THINK I'M IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE LISTENED TO!
yeah. sage doesn't even stop you from bumping the thread now so all you are doing is attention whoring under the guise of "being a good poster". you are the one who should get the fuck out of here attention whore.

>>6564826
>lookit meeee imma TROLLOLOLOLOLOL

>>6564826
Your newfag is showing.

inb4 true meaning of sageru copypasta

>>6564826
I...what...

>>6564826
>LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! HEY GUYS I THINK I'M IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE LISTENED TO!

Oh, the irony.
You're a newfag and a /b/-tard. Get the fuck out of here.

>>6558366
Actually, WoT is a flavor-of-the-month MMOG, which makes it 100% /jp/-related.
If it annoys you so much, remember that eventually people are going to forget about it and start playing some other thing.

>>6564854
>remember that eventually people are going to forget about it and start playing some other thing.
>cosmic break thread is one thread below
Nope.

>>6564826
I think this guy is for real. Can't be, right?

>>6564826
wat

>>6564832
>>6564833
>>6564839
>>6564841
>>6564864
>not realising that moot has disabled sage
>denying the truth when faced with it
>still insisting that i'm trolling
if you're going to shit on a thread, fucking acknowledge you are bumping it faggots.

>>6564879
>please shit on me

>>6564879
>moot has disabled sage

>>6564879
wat

>>6564879
>disabled sage
....

>>6564879
why do you do this

why

>>6564879
We here on /jp/ only sage when we're posting off topic messages or we post in threads that shouldn't be bumped(Spam or rule breaking content). Quite a number of us also have noko+sage on all the time.

I'm going to make a doujin racing game in RPG maker one of these days

>>6564895
>>6564879
obvious samefag enjoy arguing with yourslef

>>6564907
Psssst, don't tell him our secret.

>>6564879
I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what sage means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using sage as a way to "insult" someone's post or thread is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good feature that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using sage.

The true meaning of sage means that YOUR POST isn't worthy enough to bump the thread. It's ironic, because you think that you're insulting others while you're just, in fact, insulting yourself. Yes, sage can be used when posting a derogatory comment in a thread that you don't want to bump, but posting with just the word "sage" accomplishes nothing but contribute to spamming the board. The trend of replying with the name of a tripfag and sage is even worse, as it accomplishes nothing and only serves to increase the e-penis of whoever you're "attacking".

The sage feature was never meant to serve as an implied insult or general disagreement! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of reasons why one would choose not to bump a thread with his reply. For example, bumping threads with stupid one liner replies should be discouraged and those people should be coerced into using sage instead.

I want to use sage, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will jump on me thinking I'm insulting their post or something.

>>6564908
Why RPGmaker? Make it in Java or something, I think it'd be easier. Unless you already know Ruby and can incorporate that into RPG maker scripts.

>>6564891
>>6564895
>>6564896
>>6564898
>>6564907
>>6564913
>thinks i'm bullshitting
saging a thread still bumps it now you retards.
>my face when you still don't believe me

>>6564907
>noko+sage
...I'm ashamed to say it has never once occurred to me to try that.

>>6564914
sage means something different on 4chan than it originally meant

deal with it

>>6564919
>don't like java
>doesn't know ruby

Kinda narrows it down doesn't it

>>6564920
why do i still have faith in humanity

>>6564920
>mfwyf

>>6564920
Try these simple steps, then.
1. Go to page 14 or 15.
2. Pick a random thread.
3. Post on it, using sage.
4. Go back to that page and see if that thread is still there.

need a janitor to delete this thread, it's becoming a laughterfest now.

>>6564937
>my face when that still results in a bump now

>>6564926
sage means what it originally meant on /jp/ than unlike on the rest of 4chan.

deal with it

>>6564937
>>6564934
>>6564932
Do you guys actually believe you aren't replying to a chucklefuck who orgasms every time someone replys to him?

Oh, today's sage meta discussion thread is finally here. I wondered when it would show up.

Talk about doujin games or don't talk at all, for fuck's sake. This isn't helping anyone.

>use a em dash
>pretend you're not icycalm

>>6564973
>Can you recommend me some good progressive rock.jpg
this is real threadshitting

>>6564947
I wonder.

In before you go there and ghostbump it.

>>6564956
It's not like we have something better to do anyway, so why not make children happier?

>>6564983
>thinking that's proof

>>6564983
You're hilarious, acting like you're really being trolled and all... right?

>>6564988
Please stop doing that. I hate it when people are happy.

>>6565001
wow, they said /mu/ were faggots but at least they know their faggotry.

>>6564982

wat

>>6564997
As far as I know,
Trolling = making other people angry by posting like a retard
Trolling ≠ making other people react to your posts by posting like a retard

>>6564744
Actually that's Fine from Fushigi Boshi no Futago Hime, but sticking 'majong' on the end isn't giving me anything.

>>6565013
Just continue pretending you don't know how 4chan works it's not like anyone believes you anymore.

>>6565031
Trolling = deception. The hows and why's aren't part of the definition.

>>6565039
sagefags get shouted down on /mu/. while on here sage is thought of as effective when it's really about as effective as a goodyear tyre.

>>6565083
>tyre
BRITFAG DETECTED

>>6565083
Okay, but your a fart commander so everything you say is automatically false.

>>6565110
and here you have sagefag maturity at it's finest. i've stopped mocking you because you are doing all of my footwork for yourselves now. i just have to wonder what gets a person so riled up that they will say that i am a "fart commander". i guess that you're making a mochrie out of yourselves.

milky holmes thread

>>6564715
http://maniax.dlsite.com/work/=/product_id/RJ042514.html
Erotic mahjong strip game featuring loli characters from Futago Hime (an anime about little girls for little girls).

>>6565125
Problem, fart commander?

>>6565125

>>6565137
Thanks!

>>6565140
sagefags are the equivalent of the nosy neighbour:
>Sees something they don't like regardless of their business
>wants to draw attention to what they are saying without "contributing" to it
the nosy neighbour pokes their head round the corner, says their unwanted opinion and fucks off.
sagefags use sage to post their high and mighty unwarranted opinion and the piss off. same thing happens with every sage user.
and you know what this shows they are? attention whores. you cannot deny this.

>>6565311
It's only people from other boards who think that though.
/jp/edos pay no attention to what is in the email field as it's not important. The only time people really comment on the email field is when someone types something stupid in there like a real email address, a link to a website or misspelling sage or noko.

>>6565311
>I still don't know how sage works.
>I'll just try trolling anyway.

Yes I greentexted because fuck these retards don't understand anything else.