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because love is over

umineko a shit. 2hu a shit. leave /jp/ and talk about them somewhere else.

kusoge

Umineko is a babby's first VN of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of setting and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and META. The NEET anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for normal, sociable, underage faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The metaworld characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the magic, the peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole "colored text" faggotry and everything about the Umineko world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on love, and the overall preachiness of the whole series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes normals and underage retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Umineko is basically THE series to attract the most hated visual novel fanbase known to /jp/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this franchise and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Umineko threads ever encourage the normalfags to show their faces here.

>>8178549
higabana no whatevs gets discussed quite a bit. But right now we're really just all waiting for the upcoming last part of the translation.

Wow, I've never seen such a long sage conga line

>>8178552
well played

Because autist can't accept that not all stories have happy endings. and because Witch Hunt hasn't released EP8 yet.

>>8178925
Why can't you fags understand that what people really don't like isn't the ending but the whole absolutely terrible answer.

>>8178929
This, but I still wouldn't mind a rage thread. Besides, Chiru's coming out voiced in a few weeks.

>>8178929

how can they don't like the answer if they even dont know the answer

>>8178929

Some people can't accept the ending, some can't accept the answer and some can't accept both. Is this so fucking hard to comprehend?

>>8178751
Really? I've only seen one thread after the summer Comiket. Must lurk more.

Also, yeah, I'm all for rage thread too.

>>8178929
How can they dislike an answer that has yet to be revealed? EP8 hasn't been completely translated, and that silly book that's supposed to reveal the true answers hasn't been released yet. So what is it that you people know that the rest of us don't know?

>>8179778
>silly book that's supposed to reveal the true answer
explain further

>>8179778
> So what is it that you people know that the rest of us don't know?
日本語

>>8179383
>>8179778
The answer of the Umineko we read is ShKanontrice + fiction.
What happened in the "real" world doesn't matter.
You guys are really retarded

>>8179796
Suddenly i feel like it's the summer of 2010 again.

okay fellows tell me, if you answer right, i will be really surprised

What is Umineko about?

i doubt there will be a correct answer.. but nevermind my bad english

>>8180062
R07 trying to be cool and write self-masturbatory fiction about deconstructing the Mystery genre and then writing himself into a corner and getting all butthurt when people call him on it.

Or something like that.

>>8180062
Go away, Ryu.

>why do we not discuss it or other r07 material anymore?
BECAUSE we remember Umineko.

>>8179787
Theres a booklet being released at this coming winter comiket (I think) that is supposedly going to have ALL the answers to Umineko. It's an official book from r07 himself as well in case you were wondering.

I doubt this will change anyones mind about Umineko though.

Where I can find the extra TIPS? I didn't even know that there was 'Forgery N XXX' of Battler

>>8180247
I'm very intrigued by this post

>>8180101

i was talking about the umineko story obviously....

>>8180247


Here are all that are translated I think

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/TIPS

This wikia is so derp though when it isn't talking about facts. I hate when newfags are spoonfeeded with someone's speculah on a sites like this one.

Like, quote from Bern's page

>Many believe that she is in fact Hanyuu Furude's daughter Ouka Furude.

Who the fuck believes that? First time ever I'm hearing this.

>>8179796
So is this like your first time reading a book or something that pulls the whole "It was all just a dream~~~~" ending?

>>8180880
It wasn't though.

>>8180880
Umiunko whiteknights confirmed for not understanding the story.
It is funny how the haters are the only one that actually grasp the story and R07 shitting cop out.

People just can't cope with the realization that their beloved waifu/s is walking around with a penis.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that Battler is the personification of "Unreliable Narrator". If the narrator is even Battler. The "mysteries" aren't really all that stellar if you believe that there is an mentioned person running around. Yasu All that meta-world bullshit is the author-bitch's doing. And the real world massacre was the result of introducing gold to a bunch of desperate mentally challenged fuck ups.

>>8180933
And just what is it you've grasped, little one? Explain it to someone as stupid as me.

Damn, I miss Umineko.

>>8180954
Because it fucking happened.
It wasnt a dream.
Basically, everyone really did died.
Then R07 self insert himself and wrote a fiction in a fiction. Kanon and Shannon really is the same fucking person which is fucking stupid.
Do I even need to mention how Battler's Uncle fell in love with Battler but then decided to fuck his other nephew but then when Battler return decided to play a fucking roulette game?
This is even more stupid that latin soap drama.

>>8180956
Damn, me too. Those were the good times..

I lost hope for an "it all makes sense now" explanation a long time ago, but it was still a mostly enjoyable ride. I'll be satisfied if it just ends up making mostly sense, maybe with some plot ends and dangling ends here and there.
Hiding a clear solution in an ongoing work from an internet fanbase that large would take a literary genius. So he probably didn't try and just fudged it.

>>8180987
>Kanon and Shannon really is the same fucking person which is fucking stupid.

Cause DID totally does not exist and has never been used in a story in which the killer has different personalities. It just so happened that one of those personalities fell in love with Battler and started churning out shitty family based fanfiction.

They all died, but they sure as hell didn't die by being killed off by witches and demons. What you read where basically fictions based off of the ramblings of a traumatized guilt ridden man and some lonely kid.

>>8181014
Isn't the entire point that the 'logical' solution is deliberately unsatisfactory because he tried to make the 'magic' solution actually more attractive and hence create the dilemma in ep8

Yes, I know it's a troll but...
>>8178556
What do you expect from a board made for Touhou, doujin games and VN/SN's?
Ponys? Anime?
go to /v/ or /a/ in that case.
And this is for everyone in the board, I don't think only the wannabe trolls are the only ones who posts Touhou is shitty, complaining about Touhou in /jp/ is stupid and Umineko deserves threads like the others Sound Novels/Visual Novels without hundreds of posts whining about it.
>inb4 Shit taste confirmed.
>inb4 go back to [insert board here].
I think someone should said this long time ago.

Clearly Kinzo killed them all because they were all sinners. You can tell he was the culprit because he was the only non-criminal on the island. The message in the bottle was sent out by him. He pretended to be dead, committed the murders, then locked himself up in the furnace, thus creating the perfect crime.

>The feel when you actually confirmed the "its all in Battlers head" ending

>>8181028
Isnt that just what I said?
Are you trying to point out something?

>>8181053
What I'm trying to point out is that whining and crying like a spanked baby because YOU find it stupid, does not make it a "stupid" cop-out.

Hurr durr. It's been 4 years and magic solution is still the best and the most logical one. I knew that.

I don't give two shits if it doesn't make sense.
As long as I see Erika and Battler cumswapping blue and red truths, I'm happy.

>that feel when faggots hate Natsuhi, but love that conniving bitch Eva.

>>8181079
Who hates Natsuhi?
Just because she is damn stupid doesn't mean anyone hates her.

I fucking hated Krauss and Hideyoshi.

>>8181068
>It just so happened that one of those personalities fell in love with Battler and started churning out shitty family based fanfiction.
>What you read where basically fictions based off of the ramblings of a traumatized guilt ridden man and some lonely kid.
>shitty family based fanfiction.
>ramblings of a traumatized guilt ridden man and some lonely kid.
Not stupid? Who is R07 trying to fool?

>>8181087
Natsuhi was always a butthurt annoying shit. The only family member I even remotely liked was George and Rudolf.

>>8181086
So what it comes down to is, it's stupid because you think its stupid.

>>8181087
My waifu isn't stupid. She's just really spirited. It's not her fault everyone's been drugging her tea.

Gohda put LSD in the tea which resulted in the freakout leading to the massacre. The woman that Battler has been living with, and the woman Ange spoke to, is really him.

>>8181102
Yeah I like Natsuhi, she is a cool guy i mean.. throwing infants out of cliff and doesn't afraid of anything. Also meido killan

pic mostly unrelated.

>>8181127
Hey, in her defense, what else are you supposed to do when your father-in-law gives you his incest baby that will most likely grow up and become the head of the family instead of your own child?

What I gathered from that interview is:

- Big tits is actually male
- Kinzo fucked his daughter "consensually"
- George may or may not be a manipulative fuck
- Kinzo came from Thailand or some shit
- Pretty much anything can be called a closed room mystery these days

>>8181140
She could have...I dunno...return it?

Also, she didn't have any children at that point and i don't think they told her it's the incest child of her honorable father which was born from his own daugher, which was born from his long term neighbourhood mistress, durr.
That would make her kill herself, probably.

its the ultimate deconstruction of the mystery genre.

how can you all be so retarded

>why do we not discuss it or other r07 material anymore?
The translation for EP8 hasn't been released yet and the PS3 sprite patch project just fell dead.

I'm still holding out that we'll get a full EP8 translation and PS3 sprite pack. I'm also still holding out for F/HA. I'm pretty sure if I wait patiently I'll get a release either fan release or official release.

>>8181180
I dunno, lol. I enjoy the meta world only
Captcha weirdly related. Uallula, indeed.

"discussion" of Umiunko isn't wanted here. Take it back to where it belongs:

>>>/a/

>>8181079
I love all the aunts for their personalities, except Kyrie. Holy fuck, Kyrie. She went from cool aunt to cold brutal and efficient killer in 4 seconds and my body was NOT ready.

>>8181170
Big tits isn't male, the gender is left ambiguous.

I was hoping until the last minute for an ultimate answer that will make all pieces fall in the right place and make everything make sense. Like, in Higurashi, you just gradually had this feeling of "aaah, so that how it was!" since about Tsumihoroboshi.
And for a happy ending
And because I'm still so buttdevastated, I still do wait for it.
Umineko Rei fucking where.

>>8181170
> Big tits is actually male
Nope. Shota is actually female.
> Kinzo fucked his daughter "consensually"
Yes.
> George may or may not be a manipulative fuck.
He is a coward.
> Kinzo came from Thailand or some shit
Taiwan, actually.
> Pretty much anything can be called a closed room mystery these days.
Not at all. Because the closed rooms are rooms that can't be opened from the outside and you can only close them from the inside of the room and I didn't see something similar to this in a lot of time.

>>8181236
>Nope. Shota is actually female

Sakutaro is a girl?
Or is there some other shota here?

Umineko Ep.9 is about R07 coming to terms with his friend's death and realizing that we have to accept what actually happened so that we can have closure and move on and that no amount of love or magic will make things better SERIOUSLY GODDAMN IT MAN.

Too bad there are only 8 episodes, though.

>>8181236
Female in the sense that s/he considers herself female.

>no tits
>has a body that can't have babies
>hates that it doesn't have a "normal" body

All signs point to intersex/gender identity disorder. Hell, the only thing that's missing is Battler throwing up in a bathroom while Shannon stands there with her penis hanging out.

The truth is a shitty thing that needs to be locked away. If believing lies and bullshit makes you happy, then believe it in. That is the moral of Umineko.

>>8181258
Wasn't that basically EP8? Now we want episode 9 when everyone is actually alive and existing.

>>8181010
Christ, that picture is really funny in retrospective.

I have to say I really enjoyed Umineko. Without being sarcastic, some "closed room" mysteries were actually nice deconstructions. It had powerlevel fights, What Do You Mean It's Not Awesome?, manly brofists, creepier than creepy scenes... it was an excellent ride.
Too bad the key to the solution was so... undesirable. Going crazy because love? I can believe that. But taking it to the point of making the whole novel the consequence of a few lines our stupid protagonist said when he was 12 years old? You don't do that.

>>8181297
It makes more sense than a person killing an entire camp full of kids because they walked in on their dads having sex and was forced to dress up like a girl.

>>8181310
Wut? Sauce?

>>8181327
R-prime, lol.

>>8181310
Sleepaway Camp and its godawful sequels. It's like r07 stole ideas straight from it

>kid walks in on dads having sex
>starts experimenting with his own sister
>gets forced to become a little girl after becoming an orphan
>goes to summer camp
>~mysterious deaths~ happen
>turns out the she is a he
>the trap is the killer
> whole thing was because trap couldn't decide if it wanted to be a girl or a boy
>girl persona becomes main persona

Now THAT is some stupid shit

>>8181310
...What? Let's see...
>They are shocked to discover that "Angela" is biologically male. It is revealed that the real Angela actually died in the accident and her brother Peter survived. After Martha gained custody of him, she decided to raise Peter as the girl she always wanted.
Hahahahahahahahaha, oh wow.

I also miss awesome Umineko fanarts. Sure, they still happen here and there, but after episode 7, there was't much of anything really.
I remember going to pixiv daily from about when Episode 4 was released and there was always a couple of pages of content, every day. Now once every two weeks is enough and i only do it because of sentiments.
Pic related, it's MilkCandy's last fanart and it was posted almost a full year ago.

>>8181365
What a tweest!

Also:

>Judy is murdered in her cabin when the killer punches her and forces a hot curling iron into her vagina.

>Ronnie and Susie find a naked Angela humming to herself and clutching both a large knife and Paul's severed head in her hands.

>>8181400
But they just had a shit ton of new fanart posted on pixiv a couple of days ago because of the whole Nov 29th thing. And I think there was some kind of Black Battler event too.

The whole "imaginary friends count as people when I want them to" kind of killed things. If the solution to a mystery relied on Kanon not existing but he's still counted as a person, why not count Beatrice as a person when she's equally real?

And Ryukishi going on about how he doesn't want to reveal the answer because it would have been unfair to the people that figured it out was stupid too. A good mystery should reveal the answer or you end up feeling that the author might have just made shit up as he went along and then not revealed it in the end because he painted himself into a corner.

Also I found the whole "Battler should feel responsible for the massacre because he did not fulfill a silly promise he made when he was a fucking 10-year old" that Umineko pushes to be pretty stupid. And I disagree with the "the truth doesn't matter as long as people are happy" message.

Ryukishi tried to be too meta and create an unsolvable mystery. He instead ended up with one that had a stupid solution.

There are different culprits in every game.
ShKannoTrice may/not be a trigger

Basically Umineko is a midday soap opera.
I guess that's why R07 think you need a vagina to get it

>>8182655
Actually he said you needed to have fallen in love to understand it. Because someone plotting a massacre and blowing up an island because a 10 year old boy forgot a silly promise 6 years ago then makes perfect sense and evokes sympathy.

>>8180062
>What is Umineko about?

still no answers? well, you didnt disappoint me because i already know that the most of you are just wannabe umineko pros, trolls and idiots

if you think it is simple and umineko is about "Love", you're not even half right. it goes deeper than that..

silly /jp/ again, only hipster users online again

>>8182814
>it goes deeper than that

>>8182814
>it goes deeper than that

i knew this would happen lol

>>8182814
Oh blind believer of Ryu, please come to your senses before it's too late.

>>8182849

just because you dont see it, it doesnt mean no one can see it. what a smug

>>8182849

you are just like a baby who thinks, if he dont see you, he can't be seen too!

>>8182856
>what a smug

>>8182654
Yeah, it's not like an entire ep7 was dedicated to showing how she's the culprit\"trigger" and why.

>>8182856
>>8182859
I'll give you a 1/10. That's the best I can do.

>>8181206
Pic related, prior to EP 7 I was ticking down the parents backstory they explained. Rosa was covered in 3/4, Eva in 3 and a bit in 4, Natsuhi/Krauss in 5, 6 was just olev, but loved when Kyrie summoned a stake. So when 7 came out, it was thinking, "OK, it has to be Rudolf and Kyrie's time". Wait was worth it, I loved it. That Rudolf got yandere wife continues to make him the luckiest character in Umineko, in addition to Jack Bauer.
>>8180214
Yeah, it's coming with the bundle for Higanabana 2 and Umineko Cross. I'm expecting it to just be a list of where everyone fucked up, but the answer will still be the same

>>8181206
>She went from cool aunt to cold brutal and efficient killer in 4 seconds and my body was NOT ready.
She showed that she's capable of it in ep6 when talking with Jessica.

>>8182647
Did you come from the past to tell us what the world looked three episode ago? It's supposed to be pretty stupid, because that's not the solution.

>>8183025
When did I say that was the solution (disregarding Ryukishi's "the truth can never be known" shtick)? Yasu still intended to massacre everyone on the island over Battler's promise and it was still presented as being justified and Battler's fault.

Still relevant.

You guys are retarded.
The solution of episode 1-4, that is what needed to be solved, was given.
It was ShKanontrice, that's all.
For what really happened on the island, it doesn't matter.

>>8183125
yes it does, that's what it means to search for the truth.

stop listening to ryu's attempts to make you give up and stop thinking.

>>8183130
>stop thinking.
oh boy it's that shit all over again

>>8183141
well, if you buy into his "truth doesn't matter, only the fiction and illusions do" lies, then it's your problem.

>>8183073
The only evidence of the real Yasu planning to kill anybody is Eva's account from EP7, in which she invented a bunch of scenes of Kyrie going on a crazy murder spree from whole cloth and also portrayed Beatrice as an emotionless doll. I don't really feel the urge to take it at face value.

>>8183307
So Battler going "OMG, Yasu was so desperate she decided to do something extreme!" and crying was because Yasu decided to set up a fake murder mystery? That's pretty stupid. The whole point of Yasu is that he was a tragic character that decided to do something crazy after all similar to Kinzo who regularly set the time to blow up the island.

>>8183307
R07 confirmed in an interview that Yasu was really planning on doing this.
Fake murder theory was debunked a long time ago.
And it makes no fucking sense you retard

/jp/ virgins banishing /a/ virgins
/jp/ talks about umineko (no naku koro ni)
/jp/ role plays touhou daughters

>>8182880
then same goes to the other characters in a different chapter

>>8183317
Hey, didn't the whole idea of a clock bomb start from rumors that Kinzo himself spread to inflate his reputation? I mean, yeah there are probably old explosives stored there, but it seems like a flimsy reason to go swallowing all of Kinzo's bullshit. "By the way, sometimes I threaten to blow up my family" isn't something you would leak out by accident, right?

IT WAS IN THE OPENING AND LYRICS ALL ALONG GUYS

>>8183431
"No Knox, No Dine, No Fair"

Remember the day we got spoilers of the last episode?

>>8183491

You all stopped thinking.

>>8183528

There's so much IT WAS ALL A DREAM/LIE/SYMBOLISM horseshit in Umineko that trying to think about it anymore isn't worth the effort. The VN is 80% misdirection by now and I'm not even exaggerating. Wish I was.

>>8183632

oh god are you stupid. did you even re-read something after learning about mystery novels in EP5 because you even never herd of ronald knox? unbeleavable

>>8178549
well /jp/ can we at least post pics of Beatrice and other umineko waifus here?

>>8184010
Why did you choose Beatrice as your waifu when she's the alter-ego of an insane tranny?

>>8184022
Why did you chose Rika as a waifu when she's the physical manifestation of Hanyuu?

>>8178549
bern is my second waifu but hell... it's fun

>>8184030
Huh? Have you read Higurashi?

Does anyone know the normal price for a wooden frame?

I want to get a big 1-1.5m printing, depending on how well the picture scales, of the beatrice portrait on my wall.

I also don't know what I should use, there is this upscaled and cleaned version of the vn one, and the new ps3 more detailed one...

>>8184094
Printing is all about DPI.

>Episode 8: Part 2
>75%

>>8181279
Nope, EP8's ending was all about how BT was still alive. Oh, and he's a bestselling mystery author in that world, too.

Can we talk about Higurashi,then?

>>8184110
How do dpis translate to pixels?

>>8184222
Pixels are related not related to DPI.
One is for computers and another is for printing. If you are serious about your project you might want to take a quick read about whats needed for an actual print.

>>8184222
Pixels are not related to DPI.
One is for computers and another is for printing. If you are serious about your project you might want to take a quick read about whats needed for an actual print.

>>8184171
>Implying Ryuukishi is Ange.

If EP8 was about BT being alive, the game would end in witch Beatrice manifesting in Battler's world and them escaping the island alive and living happily ever after

>>8184022
Maybe he didn't mean that Beatrice?

>>8184030

And you..obviously don't know what you are talking about, lol.

>>8184289
Doesn't pixels scale to dpi? they both measure resolution...

>>8184738

They measure different kinds of resolution. Image resolution doesn't have any effect on print resolution. The people I looked at were offering 1200 dpi as the default so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

>>8184010
I'm ok with umineko waifu thread

>>8185236

>>8185241
At least Kyrie stayed crazy thoughout the VN, rather than becoming crazy or LOVE MAGIC'd

>>8185248
Ah, back in the day

>>8185251
Hopeing Kyrie becomes a DLC for the fighting game, far as I can tell she only shows up for Dark Battler's special

>>8185255
Images like this are why I'm patching the PC version with with the PS3 version

>>8185275

>>8181028
>Cause DID totally does not exist and has never been used in a story in which the killer has different personalities. It just so happened that one of those personalities fell in love with Battler and started churning out shitty family based fanfiction.

If you are going to use the DID argument, then you may as well read the wikipedia page that explain how DID work


Also, the real world was pretty much revealed in ep VII+VIII. The adults started fighting and Kyrie and Rudolf killed everyone. Eva took the blame, the end.

UMINEKO: Twilight for boys.

>>8185305
>You will never have most of your family killed by your waifu
;_;

>>8185329
Yup. Pretty much the best person in umineko

Why don't Witch Hunt translate faster?
I can't wait to be disappointed by chapter 8.

>>8185310
derp

>""Yasu isn't the killer""

>>8185305
Does it matter how DID works in reality (assuming it's actually a real condition)? It's a fictional work; Ryukishi could portray it however he wants. (I'm not saying Yasu had DID.)

>>8182814
>What is Umineko about?

still no answers?

The less Umineko discussion there is the less of a chance I have to be spoiled.
You won't get me. I'll wait as long as it takes.
Hidden.

If only I didn't treat this damn series like it was sent from God. TO this day I still get upset over how the series ended up going. I wish I could rewrite this entire damn series

>>8184094
Scaled portraits:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=gbe51bwx

>>8185305
>implying the media ever gets DID right

Yasu didn't just go crazy because Battler didn't keep his promise. He went crazy because 1) he was forced to live as a girl, 2) surrounded by assholes who made his life hell, 3) and when he finally solved that shitty puzzle his reward was some dead woman's dress and anal rape.

I'd want to kill everyone too if I was in his shoes. Except he didn't kill anyone. The adults just went full retard.

>>8187359
Except the VN explicitly says that there wouldn't have been any murders if Battler had come back a year earlier (before Yasu fell completely in love with George) or later (when Yasu would have settled for George).

The reason Yasu organized all this was because he couldn't choose between Battler and George. Which makes Yasu look pretty terrible, since he was ready to randomly kill people including the man that loved him to try and obliquely jog Battler's memories. (And the VN presents it all as Battler's fault because he forgot a promise he made as a 10 year-old.)

Of course in the end Kyrie and Rudolph murdered everyone for the money, but if they mystery hadn't gotten solved Yasu would have killed everyone anyway.

Fuck Yes,this special.

>>8187388

>(And the VN presents it all as Battler's fault because he forgot a promise he made as a 10 year-old.)

You mean the fiction written by Touya portray it all as Battler's fault as guilt for not being able to avert it.

>>8187397
Yes. But then again, 75% of the VN is Touya's fiction.

>>8187397
But Touya IS Battler

>>8187388
Kyrie came prepared to kill everyone on the island.
Kyrie arrived with Rudolph and Battler.
> the VN presents it all as Battler's fault
I invite you to draw your own conclusions.

I think Ryu's attempt to deconstruct/reinvent the mystery genre was valiant (and had it worked, it'd be praised well), but the motive is just jacked up to hell and back. All he can hope for now to get his fans back is damage control with that Our Confessions booklet.

>>8187488
I can't even see what's going on in this picture.

>>8187488
>Bomba
That always gets me.

I hope Our Confession gets translated quickly. Damn, it could very well be left as one of those things 'everybody knows what they say but nobody gets to release a full translation' for months.

>>8187514
Better version here. They've also made other Umineko images (including OPs pic) http://shroedinger.deviantart.com/gallery/26434664#/d2xs25p
>>8187519
Apparently WH is translating it after EP 8 is done. In other words, we'll get it just in time for the world to end next year (then again Klash has more help now than he did previously)

>>8187514
Here

>>8187567
The Os are over his pupils

>>8187637
Can't unsee.

>>8187388
But that was all fiction. Battler is unreliable as fuck when it comes to being a narrator.

>>8187388
No one sees a motive problem with a plan to choose between Battler and George that calls for Yasu to kill George when Battler loses?