/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Dork

Pffft, I've been believing that inanimate objects have feelings since I was a little kid.

Only the daydreaming about explaining things' and the
laughter applies to me, although I believe the laughing has more to do with to little sleep

>Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
Fuck, I spend so much time explaining things to myself that I already know about.. Just in case someone else asks me about it. Goddamn.

dork

Youmu is not alone. She has Myon and Yuyuko.

All true for me but I isolation wasn't the cause.
Isolation was just another effect of the actual cause

...which is, my extreme int levels.
You can laugh, but if you take a moment to think about it, you will realize the truth in my words.

>>9792917
...exept that household object thingy. that was just your projection, op.

I have all of those except for craving human attention.

I enjoy being isolated.

>>9792924
That was a common observation, you presumptuous, arrogant mongoloid.

>>9792867
story of my life

>-Believing that household objects have personalities and they judge you based on how you use them
I don't get this. I'm obsessive and always imagine people judging everything I do, but that's not caused or enhanced by isolation.
>-Periods of craving for human attention
I think the more isolated I am, the less I get this.

Everything else is spot on. I can't think of anything you missed off the top of my head.

>>9792867
I have all of those things...

>>9792933
Oh, but I only crave attention from people online. Physically I enjoy being alone.

>>9792926
observation by who? psychologist that the only people who the deem sane are brainless zombies?

>>9792932
>>9792938
craving human attention is not the cause of isolation, it's normal attribute for ALL human beings.

>>9792942
I really hate you, you know that? Your pompous, pseudo-intellectual shitposting is an eyesore, and it is all I ever see you do. Go brag about your floor high INT on /tg/.

>Hallucinations of things moving on the corner of your eye.
>Believing that household objects have personalities and the judge you based on how you use them.

These two are the most annoying. Magazines are the worst since they just have the same facial expression, but you can tell they're judging you profusely. Especially in the bathroom and you can't bring yourself to wipe in front of them.

Everything else applies to me except craving the attention. Well, not consciously at least. I only laugh because I like pretending I'm this insane little patient and practically practice my insane laugh and stuff like that. Sometimes it just comes out as a little giggle.

God I'm lonely.

>>9792944
And I'll conquer that attribute one of these days.

>-Spontaneous laughter
Sounds fun as hell

Oh, I have one to add.

-Easily startled
And MAYBE
-Frequent ruminating over past events

I don't get any of that.

Feels indifferent, man.

>>9792945
You can't handle my quality so you spout flames and than call ME the shitposter.
Just use a filter instead of ordering me around.

>>9792959
I will stop ordering you around when you stop being a waste of space and kill yourself.

Anyone else starts humming random stupid melodies which make absolutely no sense when remembering something emberassing, which may lead to emberassing situations?

>>9792959
I'm not the guy you're talking with, but I like keeping it off so I know which threads to avoid in the future.

>>9792960
I'm heavily suspicious of videos, websites, or even gif images being screamers. And I like to think back on recent events and how I could have done it smoother or better.

>>9792945
oh and also:
when I said 'high int is the cause'
I meant it as an explanation for the rest of people ITT as well.

Think before you flame.

>>9792970
But I'm not particularly smart, or at least I don't think so. Can a person not be smart and know a lot of things and vice versa?

The part with the hallucinations and thinking objects have personalities sounds silly as hell, but the rest apply to myself.

>>9792963
>I won't use a filter!
I'll do what i like, dirtbag. if you don't like it close your eyes or report. take your flaming shitposts elsewhere, preferbly to /b/ where your kind is the norm.

>>9792969
Ha, I'm suspicious of the screamers to. Seeing enough screamers has conditioned me to always check if the picture I clicked is a gif or not.

>>9792978
Incidentally, who the hell still uses the term flaming? You disgust me.

>>9792969
...isn't the whole point of filters is to filter out those threads?

>>9792890

same here

this is making me miss my brother i wanna hang out with my bro again ;_;

>>9792975
Smart is not about what you know, it's about your deduction and observation abilities

>>9792979
Seriously, it's not even a fun type of scare but it's very effective to the naive of the internet. Some are just mean as hell.

>>9792988
I'm guessing he died?

>>9792990
Yeah, but it doesn't mean I can't view them, just not post in them.

>>9792998
Layman's terms?

I only have daydreaming about explaining things and sexual deviancy. But I assume that the list isn't mutually exclusive, so I guess I'm not isolated. Also, I would like you to cite a source that gives these as being effects of isolation.

>>9792982
>who the hell still uses the term flaming?
fucking hipster.

I create scenes and conversations in my mind using the universe and characters from whichever book I am currently reading. Now that would be probably more or less normal If I didn't do it for 8+ hours a day pacing or jumping around the room with loud music.

>>9792969
What I mean about being startled is more about sudden things like a knock on the door, the phone ringing a dog barking, for example. I don't think that apprehension toward POTENTIAL startling things is really a common effect of isolation from people.

I think that the frequent rumination over past events is potentially directly connected to human isolation because the less social experiences you have to fill up space, the more and more you start to think over previous ones.

>-Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
How do I stop doing this? It's really fucking stupid and I do it all the time when I'm idle.

>>9793004
When I read, watch, or even play a good story, I imagine these characters fighting with awesome TTGL-like skills with awesome music. >X3

Or even imagine a character with a different mannerism and personality and doing awesome shit in a situaton where he was ridiculed.

The possible possibilities are endless, aren't they?

>>9792995
no he went to uni three years he visited sometime last year

>>9793002
It means that when you see a problem, you can break it down to it's solvable cores.

It also means that you SEE the problem.

>Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
I do this all the time.

I have all of this. Damn.

>>9793015
Yeah, exactly like that. But after I while I feel sort of worn out and depressed. Especially when I can no longer come up with a compelling scene or a conversation and have to move on to consume a little bit more content to fuel my imagination again.

Writers who come up with good stories and characters must be gods. I have no idea how they do it.

Maybe writing things down helps... I don't know.

>-Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
just this

>>9792968
>Rembering something embarrassing
>Make weird grimaces/body movements/start humming
>Realize there are people around you
>Shitshitshitshitshit

>>9792867
>-Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
I do this constantly... whenever I finish some anime or game I enjoyed a lot, or when I see a video of impressive Touhou/beatmania/piano skill, I try to imagine what would happen and how people would praise me if I created/did them. I feel very guilty just for thinking about that...

Oh god it's true.

What has 4chan done to me.

>>9793037
Fuck.

>>9793037
Happens to me all the time, except there's nobody around me. Probably not uncommon and not necessarily related to isolation from people.

>>9793046
The cure for a side-effect of social isolation is less social isolation? No shit?

Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people this seems to be the most common one and i think the cure is an irl friends

>>9793008
>sudden things like a knock on the door, the phone ringing a dog barking, for example.
Ugh, I hate this too. I snap violently at sudden noises, its startling but apparently whatever I just heard isn't enough of a worry to everybody else. Someone drops a cup, or the TV makes that cracking noise after its been turned off for a long time? Jump every fucking time. Fuck old tube TVs.

Its worse when I have to go spend time with my friends because they have a kid, and sometimes things will just randomly hit his wall that the back of the couch is against. I know they're laughing at me on the inside.

Are you all fucking idiots?

Human isolation means NO HUMAN CONTACT through any means whatsoever, that includes your friends at /jp/ and faggots who have 300 steam friends. If you're interacting with real people it's not human isolation. You fuckers are so retarded I can't even get mad at how retarded you are.

>>9793037
>Rembering
*Remembering

How embarrassing.

well my mother needs the internet so i bid thee farewell.

>-Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people

I read somewhere that this produces anxiety, because you create some sort of mental crowd that judges your actions constantly.

>>9793046
no, I think it is actually normal
By spelling out and explaining shit in your mind you sort and commit knowledge and make sure you don't have logical flaws

>>9793051
You're saying that you don't think the effects detailed here would happen to somebody locked in solitary confinement BECAUSE they're locked in solitary confinement?

>>9793051
Whoa-whoa-whoa, 9793051-san, please, this is a no bully zone! Don't rage like that, think of your health.

>>9793061
You are fucking retarded.

>>9793063
Sorry.

>>9793051
>300 steam friends

Bitch please, are you a normal? I haven't talked to anyone on IM in months. I don't even have steam.

>>9793059
Since this seems to be a common occurrence with EVERYONE so far, I would guess that you're right as we probably don't ALL have isolation problems.

>>9793070
>>9793059
Yeah, it just feels more significant the less and less you actually interact with others.

So, while relatable, it probably doesn't belong on the list

>>9793051

My friends are here?

I thought you all hated me, are you serious? You're really my friends? I don't know what to say...

>>9793073
Don't be sad. I'm not your pal.

>>9792867

That ass.
Those socked feet.

>>9793073
Why wouldn't you be my friend? I care for all my friends. /jp/ is for my friends.

no one here is completely socially isolated though we have 4chan and the internet.

Yep, I can't speak for shit. Doesn't help that I know Japanese and Welsh which completely throws any kind of English I know straight out the fucking window.
And I've always had a thing with getting attached to inanimate objects and believing they have personalities and whatnot, same with pixels. I always feel really bad if I'm moving Pokemon around in their boxes in case they start missing each other, same with plushies and other things.

>>9793080

That kind of does make me sad though.

>>9793082

Can I atleast suck your dick?

>>9793062
>this is a no bully zone!
This is what happens to bullies on /jp/

>>9793085
Internet is a shit social interaction, it just leaves me feeling empty and wanting a lot more.

>>9793085
To me this is no different than reading a book.

>>9793096
Please do not. I do not want either of us to lose our purity and thereby decrease our chances for Gensokyo.

>>9793109

Now see, that's where your wrong.

We're all real people behind these screens, with real feelings. You can't compare actively communicating with us (live people) to reading a book.

By the way I love you.

>>9793085
Nobody said that they're completely socially isolated. The idea is: as social interaction goes down, after crossing a certain threshold these things become more prevalent.

>>9793127
Sh-shut up, there's no way I'd feel anything from a bunch of text on an anonymous imageboard.

>>9793139
stop impersonating me


>>9793127
sure buddy

>>9793127
This is dependent on the goal.
If the goal of not "socially isolated" is establishing feelings for another, this could apply to a book character or similar.
If the goal is interaction, this could also be accomplished in a book via alternative paths in the book that you make a decision of. The scope is limited but this is fault to the length of the book rather than its inability to. Humans just happen to be more compact in their ability to list choices. A suffeciently long book could do this.

you could argue books and anime is social interaction they are people's ideas that you are reading.

>>9793149

You try to act all cold.

But I actually would genuinely care and be sad if you made a thread saying you were dying or something. Because whether or not you want to believe it, I actually do care about you and anybody who is a regular on /jp/.

When has a book ever said that?

>>9793164
There is nothing preventing a book from saying that.

>>9793164
But hwo do you know who is regular and who isn't?

>>9793191
It seems like criterion that is too restrictive. All who do not bully my friends are my friends.

>>9793180

Other then the fact that it's not a real person conveying those feelings, but rather the author (who doesn't know you, has never talked to you, and isn't referring to you) conveying it through a character of some sort to the person reading.

It's not real. It's like saying you heard the lyrics "I love you" in a song, and saying that is no different than a real human being who genuinely cares about you and your well being.


>>9793191

I just do.

When I'm up for long periods of time I often get a short hyena-like snickering fit instead of yawning.

What the HELL is happening to me?

Revised edition for accurate > relatable.

Common side effects of social isolation:

-Forgetting how to speak
-Increased sexual deviancy
-Spontaneous laughter
-Easily startled
-Frequent ruminating over past events

Removed:
>-Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people
This happens to everyone; it just feels more significant the less and less you actually interact with others.
>-Hallucinations of things moving on the corner of your eye
Happens to everybody and only feels more significant because you've become more easily startled/anxious. For those who might say that they're not startled by seeing the things: it's not the isolation that made you see them.
>-Believing that household objects have personalities and they judge you based on how you use them
Effect of other personality traits, not social isolation
>-Periods of craving for human attention
Cases of voluntary isolation wouldn't necessarily make this more prevalent than normal.

What do you guys think?

>>9793204

I agree with everything you said basically.. Not much more to comment on.

>>9793209
What do you think about adding
-Heightened self-awareness
?

>>9793204
>Easily startled

I hate this. I wasn't anywhere near this jumpy 2 years ago.

>>9793198
So the problem is that of non-unique feelings or is it one of nongenuine?
What if there was a book that conveyed a genuine feeling to a person. And then another reader also feels impacted by this book. Do both peoples' feelings become invalid or only the latter?
What if said author never proclaimed whom these feelings were meant for? Both people have equally likely chances that the books author had intended them to be the reader.

>>9793216
That is a side-effect and anxiety, which is the cause of isolation in many cases.

It feels like I'm in /sci/

>>9793217

Never said you couldn't feel real feelings over books. Just saying it's not legitimate social interaction, it doesn't count, it can't be compared to talking to real people on here. Do you really think I'm not a living person?

>>9793223

I've only been to /sci/ a handful of times, but I would be quite shocked if this kind of thread could thrive in the way it did here on /sci/.

>>9793221
You don't think increased anxiety could be considered a side-effect of the isolation? The more time someone spends away from people in voluntary isolation, coupled with their loss of verbal skills, the more apprehensive they might become toward future social interactions. It could be considered a "vicious cycle," since what might be a cause is also an effect, but it's still an effect, isn't it?

>>9793237
I've already said that a book is can be interacted with as well as a person if it were of sufficient length (the practicallity of this is unimportant)
Both things are from a "real person", but this also isnt critical. I suspect you would say you have social interaction with a pet, or indeed a robot of sufficient intellect.
This robot brings an interesting point.
Would you not consider a robot that has the same cognitive strenght as a human a form of social interaction?
A robot is merely a much more compact book.

>>9793073
enhance*

>>9793269
A robot with a cognitive strength of a human would be a sentient being, it would no longer be a "robot" in a traditional sense. Humans after all are nothing more than biological machines.

/jp/ - You are a book

>Spontaneous laughter
Does this actually happen to people? It is one thing if you are thinking about something funny or whatever, but just laughing spontaneously?

>Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people

Oh man I'm so guilty of this. I've spent hours walking in circles, imagining what I would say if I were to explain the things I like to someone else. It's a great timewaster if you have nothing to do.

>>9793293
*And there is a pretty big leap from a book to a sentient being.

>>9793056

This is true!

spot fucking on

>Periods of craving for human attention
>Spontaneous laughter
>Increased sexual deviancy
No wonder my fetishes have tripled or if not multiplied by 10 and I am now apparently attracted to also males and children
>Daydreaming about explaining/showing things to people

Oh G-d

You forgot spontaneous craving for Youmu's feet there, OP.

Side effects of human isolation:

-you are gay
-you suck
-you will be a forever beta nerd
-i will always hate you
-i will always want to kill you
-fuck you 10-year old cunts get out of /jp/ i remember when this board was full of alpha males like me

>>9793301
Laughing at things that aren't funny if a better way to describe it, maybe.

everyone who posted in this thread are gay except for me

>>9793358
your mom dude

I've been a neet hikki for 4 years now. I only leave the room for the bathroom and food, I never leave the house. I talk to my parents and people on the internet so I'm not completely isolated. I feel as though my sanity has been effected over the years though.
I do these 2 things you stated
>Hallucinations of things moving on the corner of your eye
>Spontaneous laughter
The laughter is more or less laughing at stupid things and not spontaneous though.

I have a mirror in my room and I look different to myself almost every day. I also feel like I am dreaming when I often am not, the thought of "is this real?" crosses my mind. I sometimes have waves of depersonalization too.

I didn't read anything but the OP so I don't know if anyone wanted to know any of these things.

>>9793301
like you laughing to yourself while thinking something funny or exaggerated laughing, sometimes over something that's not even funny

ITT : I'm not the only one

>>9793350
LOL, CHECK OUT THIS GIGA NERD, TRYING SO HARD TO LOOK COOL

Does anyone else pretend they're being interviewed? I do this on the toilet sometimes, I pretend I'm a famous footballer or videogame designer and I talk how they would be talking in an interview.

>>9793378
>I have a mirror in my room and I look different to myself almost every day. I also feel like I am dreaming when I often am not, the thought of "is this real?" crosses my mind. I sometimes have waves of depersonalization too.
Oh cool, I get that too. I've had it even before I became reclusive. That and constant sleep paralysis with simultaneously loud sounds going off like people screaming, artillery fire, feeling off being decapitated, stabbed, shot at. Man I am edgy as fuck

>>9793404
I'm not full of myself so no. You're a fag, anonymous.

I hate my friends. Why do my friends always want to see me? Why do they care about me? I don't care about them. I don't want to see them. Ever. They always want to try to contact me and get me to spill the beans on what I've been up to (nothing). I try my best to keep an invisible footprint on the internet so nobody knows who I am or where I come from. Sometimes I mess up though and some random person recognizes me and says "lel omg i thot u were ded were u been man!!!" and it infuriates me.

I hate my friends. I hate people with an identity I can attach or who attach identities to themselves.

That's why I like you /jp/. Please don't leave me.

>>9792867
>-Spontaneous laughter
It's a defence mechanism to keep you sane. Despite of how creepy it might be, even a forced laugh is relatively healthy.

It's kind of like talking to yourself.

>>9793410
I'd hold you bro, but you're a whole internet away.

>>9793409

How does that make me full of myself? I just like to imagine how it would be to be someone that's actually produced something in their life.

>>9793404
I'm >>9793040, I do this too... I feel terrible about it...

>>9793400
I've never had sleep paralysis but whenever I go into a dark room I have this really hard to explain feeling.
It's like I think someones going to stab me in the stomach but hasn't yet, while at the same time feeling the panic as if it did happen. if that makes any sense. I really don't like the dark because of it.

>>9793404
Sometimes I think out full conversations between me and a random friend so that I will be ready for when they ask whatever question I thought up.

>>9793410
How did you screw up to make someone online notice you? It's not hard to not post your name or face on the internet.

>>9793410
I'm gonna memorize you posting style so that hopefully I can recognize you in the future.

>>9793439
It was in a game. I logged on an old character who I thought everybody forgot just for testing some new stuff when I got a PM.

>>9793451
He sounds just like me and other people I know, good luck with that.

>>9793456
You're probably him trying to throw me off.

>>9793452
Makes sense. I'm the same way.

Even though I live on the 9th floor I know there people trying to look into my window. I never open the curtains and try not to turn on lights after dark. Computer screen is bad enough. They can probably see my silhouette.

>>9793404
I wish this wouldn't happen to me.

>>9793404

Sometimes I talk to myself back and forth with dramatic speeches, like a hero to a villain or something else silly. I get bored easily so that entertains me sometimes.

>>9793567
I try to argue with myself, but when it picks up the pace and my thoughts get more fluid and less worded, I lose my place and forget who is who.

I never considered myself isolated but wow, its frightening how many things on that list happen to me

>>9793598
Same here

>>9793452
why did you go around talking to people then, making them know you and add you to their friend lists, if you just wanted everyone to leave you the fuck alone?

when i play mmos i never talk to strangers, like every good little girl should.

>>9793538
they see you masturbating. watch out, make sure you do it in a small room with no windows and behind closed doors. otherwise they'll see you and judge you because of that.

>>9793598
All of the effects can be caused by more than just isolation.

>>9793404
No, but I have long discussions with some "other" or a small invisible group about a particular topic that I'm interested in. I mean I go on for quite a while because they have pressing questions and challenges and I must answer them. I guess you could call it pretend teaching. I do it laying in bed when I can't sleep.

I guess if the chance ever pops up that someone needs information on that particular topic I will have it thoroughly worked it out. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), most people don't care about the things I ramble on about.

>>9793638
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does this, I was starting to think I'm going crazy.
Nobody I know ever wants to talk about anything I'm interested in I guess that's why I do it with myself.

>>9793636
but not far from lack of social interaction

>>9793650
Don't worry about it. It's pretty natural.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_audience

I think it's just another way of talking to oneself, which in the end isn't harmful. I think it's a good way of working out ideas.

Where did my Saten go?

I've gotten to the point where my imaginary conversations with people actually end up in me explaining to them that they're imaginary people, who, although might be sentient, are simply figments of my imagination. They are in effect the beings created in the butterfly's dream, and their life is as long as my short term memory.

>>9793931
How do they react to being told that? It would be cool if they had existential crises and stuff. Or if you had an imaginary girlfriend and she started stalking you in your memories because she was afraid you'd forget about her.

>>9793948
In my experience, they deny it vehemently, and typically start mocking me or get angry. Dunno about him though.

>>9793954
What if we're just someone elses imaginary friend.

>>9793976
That was my point. People get angry when I remind them they do not really exist.

I have quite some trouble speaking to someone especially if it's longer than a sentence, I have to think for like 10 seconds before I continue talking otherwise I'll get my word pronunciations wrong. It gets annoying when I'm doing group work in chemistry at uni. I daydream sometimes about teaching others something I learnt recently if it's interesting to me, and I find anything interesting if it's new to me, but I usually end up not bringing it up in a conversation, ever. I stay quiet around people for good reasons, I'd say I have a very boring personality unless I talk about work related things, so I want to hide that. If they think of me as non-talkative and not interesting and leave me then that's the best option, since I'd rather not embarrass myself by saying something stupid accidentally, because I would end up thinking about it day and night for weeks and weeks and I won't forget the look on their face.