The Future of /jp/ and the possibiliity of 2D/Random

[Anonymous No.]

Hey m*d team, since I highly doubt the effectiveness of the email system at the moment due to the transition, and because I think it would be good to see /jp/'s opinion on this as a whole, I have a question in regards to something moot mentioned back in 2014 that I think would solve a lot of the problems /jp/ is currently facing in regards to overall user satisfaction.

Back in 2014, moot made mention of possibly adding a 2d/Random (Nijiura) board, and at the time, he said there would be no way that both /jp/ and a Nijiura board would be able exist at the same time. Since that time almost a year ago, a lot of things have obviously changed, both in /jp/ and to the site as a whole. I don't think anyone can deny that it would be an understatement that the board is much cleaner than it was in days gone by and that it is currently overrun with general threads.

That being said, with moot stepping down, the surge of shitposting that the recent leak has brought, and the with the general sense of discontent most long time users seem to have on /jp/ (made evident by the amount of split boards and deleted posts /jp/ alone has), I can think of no better time for the addition of a nijiura board to be brought into reconsideration, and for there to be a discussion about this.

I sat through all 8 hours just like many anons did, and in the Q&A, moot said that he liked constructive criticism instead of the usual hey j*nny you suck go kill yourself. He said that nothing good comes from the community splinting itself up across multiple chans because "fuck m*deration"; something that /jp/ is especially known for.

This thread is an attempt at acting on these wishes and getting the communities opinion on if the inclusion of a Nijiura board would in any way help resolve this long long feud between the users of /jp/ and the staff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952096
I'm not rereading this pasta but 4chan already has a 2D/Random board, it's called /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

The situation has changed a bit, and is actually in a very dynamic state right now. Janitors are extremely busy at this moment and don't really have time to do their /jp/ duties, much less listen to what you have to say.

You might want to first go through the happenings of this morning and inform yourself a bit more as well, before making any harsh misstatements.

[Anonymous No.]

Just bring back NEET threads and. take out innecesary generals

[Anonymous No.]

2d random is an awful idea, it's a perfect excuse for /v/ and /a/ to come shit this place up even more and there'd be nothing we could do about it since they'd be on topic

[Anonymous No.]

He came here, we told him it's a bad idea, one idiots kept samefagging the thread in favor of it which must have further convinced him it's a bad idea, he even already admitted it was a bad idea when people asked him a while ago.

Besides, you already have >>>/s4s/ for your 2D/Random needs. And >>>/a/, for that matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952096
A nijiura right now would be terrible.
It would become [s4s] 2.0 2D only.

If anything I'd like to see idol and porn threads get their own board and get out of here and allow /jp/ to have a metathread about the current problems and discussions about the board since those get deleted because they're "off-topic", that would let us understand the /jp/ situation better and help us with our board culture, or so I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952122
The log leak is all the more reason that now is the perfect time to have a revisiting of this. Instead of the users waging war with the staff, why not try to come to a solution that will make things better in the long run?

Things are only going to get worse for /jp/ especially now that they're public and I don't doubt that they will only make the discontent the board has for the m*deration even stronger than it already is.

Unless something is finally done, things are only going to get worse and worse, causing the community to split even more than it already has.

>>12952155
/s4s/ is ment to be /b/ 2.0 as stated by moot. /a/ is /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952128
This is all I want.

[Anonymous No.]

At least make /jp/ NSFW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952160
>Things are only going to get worse for /jp/
There's no way things are going to get any worse for /jp/. Unless someone literally changes it to 2D/Random, of course.

>the discontent the board has for the m*deration even stronger than it already is.
I don't exactly like the moderation, but I'll support them as long as they keep the 2D/Random people away. Most people around here seem to have similar sentiments.

>/b/ 2.0
>Anime/Random 2.0
I rest my case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952186
Yeah, let's turn it into a porn dumpster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952224
I see you've never been to futaba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952228
We have different kinds of communities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952224
While that would unfortunately be an end result, let it be said that the real problem is not porn. The real problem is imagedumps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952249
There is no board where you could discuss something while also posting lewd fanart. No one ever talks about anything on /e/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952218
>I don't exactly like the moderation, but I'll support them as long as they keep the 2D/Random people away. Most people around here seem to have similar sentiments.

It's completely split, that's the problem. There are people that like the orderly way /jp/ is now, and there are people that want the anarchy days of old. There one way to have a happy medium contained within just /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952096
I see the biggest problem here is that /jp/ has already been forced in to a 2D/Random board with the exception of idol threads and a very small selection of generals. Most of the spinoff boards try to do the same thing which also just means more of the same. Post counts have been rapidly declining for a few years now and I don't see how limiting the board to even fewer subjects is going to fix the situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952271
There is no way that people that like the good old days of 2008-2009 prefer the current /jp/ "general" right now. It just stifles funposting and creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

I want anything that isn't /jp/ in its current state. The board has been stagnating for years and its evident that the moderation's was horrible and a major contributory factor for its decline.

Allow off-topic discussion. That's how meaningful, interesting conversation evolves. For the board's existence to be justified, it also needs a broader range of valid topics. Most importantly, put content moderation back in the hands of the userbase - we vocalize what we dislike to low quality posters and other posters see this interaction and adjust their own habits - this doesn't happen when a autocratic janitor indiscriminately deletes absolutely everything and wonders why it continues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952271
It's only orderly because fewer people are posting. If you looked at the subject of most threads they're mostly image dumps and waifu threads which used to be frowned on back in the day.

[Anonymous No.]

I want anything that isn't /jp/ in its current state. The board has been stagnating for years and its evident that the moderation's vision was horrible and a major contributory factor for its decline.

Allow off-topic discussion. That's how meaningful, interesting conversation evolves. For the board's existence to be justified, it also needs a broader range of valid topics. Most importantly, put content moderation back in the hands of the userbase - we vocalize what we dislike to low quality posters and other posters see this interaction and adjust their own habits - this doesn't happen when a autocratic janitor indiscriminately deletes absolutely everything and wonders why it continues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952256
My favorite /d/ thread is pretty much discussion only at this point. Sometimes it feels people only post pictures to avoid getting it banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952297
Allowing off topic discussion would also open to floodgates for all the epic so troll 18-20 year olds who have nothing better to do with their time than make awful attempts at humor and lower the quality of the board. This may have worked years ago when the population of the internet was lower but not anymore, we can't have meaningful communities like that on this site any longer.

Keep /jp/ exactly the way it is and make a 2d/random board for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952160
They banned my 4chan pass for posting something from the log leak. It's not fair, a month is very long.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I saw this suggestion in one of the logs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952307
Then you have two boards for exactly the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952293
There is no way people from 2008-09 would complain about crackdown on "funposting". Too bad most of us are long gone at this point. Mainly due to said "funposting" contaminating the board.

>>12952301
Yes, let's leave the moderating decisions to whoever shouts the loudest and has the most time on his hands. That sure will work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952322
One board for otaku culture (touhous, vns, idols) and one for off topic 2d

They may overlap in some cases but so do other boards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952326
So two boards each with a a few hundred thousand posts per year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952333
Slow is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952338
Slow and boring, just like all the 10+ spinoffs that were made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952307
>Allowing off topic discussion would also open to floodgates for all the epic so troll 18-20 year olds who have nothing better to do with their time than make awful attempts at humor and lower the quality of the board
Off topic discussion /= aimless meme spouting. The rule serves to reduce communicative liberties and stifle topic potential. Its existence is far more intellectually detrimental than the alternative.

>we can't have meaningful communities like that on this site any longer
Both populations are pretty comparable in demographics and content producing properties. /jp/ is enfeebled and vegetative under the current ruleset - I see no value whatsoever in perpetuating that kind of existence, regardless of the stability that comes with it.

[Anonymous No.]

There's no niche for a 2D/random on modern 4chan to fill. /a/ is already loose as fuck and if you want ero go to /e/ or /h/ or even /a/ itself during certain hours. Who will populate this new board? You just want a place for warosu and the /jp/ spinoff people on the main site itself and will turn out just as slow stale and unfunny as /s4s/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952333
The 2D/random will actually become super populated by crossies like /v/, /a/ that will turn the board into another [s4s].

/jp/ will probably stay the same, the current speed is good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952322
Okay, then better yet, 2D/Random stays on /a/.

>>12952326
>off topic 2d

Only that's not what 2D/Random implies, especially since all (non-pornographic) 2D is on topic in at least one out of /a/, /jp/ and /co/. What they want is to shitpost with pictures of anime characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952362
Not true, there are plenty of examples of posts that are topical but shitposting. Like most typemoon shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952324
>let's leave the moderating decisions to whoever shouts the loudest and has the most time on his hands
That isn't what's being suggested. When all of the "bad" posts just get deleted, newer users can't see why they are being deleted and subsequently don't learn from the errors of others. There's no collective propagation of values or standards, just a deluded autist perpetually deleting things. This is one of the fundamental mechanisms of anonymous image boards and it's blatantly being discarded for an ineffective, miguided alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952365
I don't believe I claimed otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952368
>That isn't what's being suggested.
That's the consequence of what's being suggested. There's no "collective propagation of values or standards", only deluded autists perpetually shouting at things they don't like.

[Anonymous No.]

i just want all the awful generals to leave, i dont like closing 2 pages of normie shit like javs and "otaku rpgs" to get anything maybe remotely worth reading

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ is dead to me...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952301
>Allow off-topic discussion. That's how meaningful, interesting conversation evolves.

This. The board is called Otaku culture but the range of topics that are allowed are downright stupid and unclear.
Why the hell cant we talk about stuff like JRPG's or other Japanese niche games that are not Touhou or VN's on /jp/? You are more likely to get a meaningful discussion about these topics on /jp/ than on /v/ due to /jp/ audience.
And there is /a/ hijacking /jp/ topics. Why the fuck is a buy-fag thread considered fine for /a/ even though its a /jp/ centric topic. Remember when /jp/ had good figure threads where people actually posted? Those people pretty much moved to /a/'s buy-fag threads.

Seriously make up your damn minds about /jp/ and stop treating is like a drainage ditch for undesirable topics on /a/ like monster girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952357
>/jp/ will probably stay the same, the current speed is good.
You're delusional if you believe that.

20 Feb 2008: 0 posts, 0 new posts
20 Feb 2009: 2113403 posts, 2113403 new posts
20 Feb 2010: 4427232 posts, 2313829 new posts
20 Feb 2011: 6985513 posts, 2558281 new posts
20 Feb 2012: 8592500 posts, 1606987 new posts -- "Hi /q/ what should the rules be on /jp/?"
20 Feb 2013: 10510331 posts, 1917831 new posts -- "Everyone should post on /jp/ it's my favorite board"
20 Feb 2014: 11911324 posts, 1400993 new posts
25 Jan 2015: 12952362 posts, 1041038 new posts

Face the fact that /jp/ can't survive a board split.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952375
Sounds like you don't want generals to leave. You want javs and "otaku rpgs" and other things you don't like to leave.

How about no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952374
>That's the consequence of what's being suggested
It isn't. I'm not advocating total abandonment of the janitor/moderator system, only the relegation of grey area stuff to the userbase. Ideas that are contentious or offensive should be met with discussion, not deletion. In no way would spam and all of the other blatant garbage see exception in the same way.

Do you really prefer the institution of arbitrary deletions at the whims of a single individual?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952383
Homu..

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952388
Board split?
If you keep /jp/ the same the community won't split. Did /b/ and /a/ split after [s4s] was made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952324
I only see /jp/ bleeding userbase and having less and less stuff to talk about.
Some stuff that used to be /jp/ only can only be talked on /vg/ right now and see instant deletion. Kancolle which is pretty much the biggest cultural phenomenon in Japan for the 10s can only has 1 thread up at any time due to some invisible rule.
Oh you wanna talk about that new epic jap ISIS meme? Nope, no fun allowed. Only cute 2hu imagedump and jav idols onry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952408
They had larger communities and you must be blind if you don't see that there are less posts being made than ever before. It's not an issue of mods deleting the bad posts because the post count is actually less. The contents of the threads are also worse, they've just been made in a way they superficially look like /jp/ related but they're just 2D/Random image dumps and waifu threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>nijiura

You pre-2010 chrononauts really need to give it a rest. A "2D/random" board in 2015 would most likely result in a an endless fur porn dump. Unless you want some sort of external force curating your precious lawless paradise into holding japshit exclusively, defeating the point entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952388
The reason for that decline in posts is the spike in moderation. The fact that posting has declined so sharply since /q/ is enough evidence for that. It drove a lot of the people that were here originally away since /jp/ became something completely different from what it had been since it's inception.

If the board was split between /jp/ and 2d/random, wouldn't both parties get what they want? /jp/ would become a place for on topic discussion without the constant shitposting and resistance, while 2d/random would become something like the /jp/ of old while also taking on a life of it's own and generating it's own blend of culture and creativity much in the same way /s4s/ did. While /jp/ might slow down a bit, I don't think it would come close to dying on account of just how broad the subject of otaku culture is.

Either way though, with the way things are now and with the user base torn and fighting between what /jp/ should or should not be, things are never going to get better and we'll only continue the cycle the boards been stuck in for years now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952417
Touhou is going to become unpopular and the content will become stale but /jp/ wont get updated to include new topics until it's too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952437
People that don't want to stick with the whole 2d anime thing would have /s4s/ to go to though.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I'd be okay with this change. /jp/ has needed a fresh start for a while now.

I mean it will probably turn out terrible anyway, but at least it'd be interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952439
Most of them aren't here anymore. Actually /jp/ bans all threads that aren't on topic but it allows 2D/Random posts all the time like those image dump threads. So then you have two boards that serve an even more decreased userbase.

The board was the best when it was Japan/General but angry kiddies decided something had to change. Then it changed and this is what they wished for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952455
A fresh start is a good way of putting it. /jp/'s board culture has been stagnant/dead for a while now so it's not like there's really much left to hang on to as far as sentimentality goes.

More importantly, if the community didnt have any desire for change, or something new, there wouldn't be the amount of /jp/ off shoots on other sites that there are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952448
Why should they go there specifically, if both fit the bill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952490
They're saying anyone that posts threads that don't interest them should leave to other boards with an unknown culture and threads that don't interest anyone here.

[Anonymous No.]

At least /jp/ knows how to funpost.

/a/ is no fun allowed: the board

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952386
What you're asking for is more on-topic discussion.

>>12952439
The drop starts with AoC's resignation. But it's all too much moderation, guys.

>>12952466
Considering /a/ forced the new name on us, I'd say the change is exactly what they wished for.

>>12952477
There's no "fresh start" possible on this site. All you'll get is /a/b/v/ 2.0 with the history of resistance wiped away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952466
>angry kiddies decided something had to change
Nobody "decided" anything. Who other than the moderators and janitors would benefit from a Democratic Peepers Repubrick of /jp/? I wouldn't be surprised if the clamor for deprivation of all posting freedoms was wholly or in part designed by the moderation staff themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952477
/jp/ needs a secret restart, no announcements, no new boards, no name changes.

Otherwise all you're going to get is /a/, /v/ and [s4s] invading us and turn into this but with only 2D: >>>/s4s/catalog

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952513
Go away, AoC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952510
It's been the opposite since at least 2014. Lots of the off topic content that /jp/ was supposed to take from /a/ has been targeted through personal agendas by the janitors we've had here. It's moved back to /a/ where they are more forgiving, or maybe just not able to micro-manage in the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952490
He mentioned furshit, but what I mean is that /s4s/ could continue to cover the broad spectrum that it does now, like western and 3d related subjects, while 2d/random would cover what it's name implies, eastern 2d stuff plus whatever else. I'm not saying that 2d/random should be moderated anymore than /s4s/, but there type of community that the board would attract would be the /jp/ and yes, /a/ crowd, so it's not like it would have any problem self moderating itself and forming it's own culture.

Also as far as /a/ and /v/ coming to the board being a concern, look around you. The monster girl general alone should be enough to tell you that the /jp/ of today is not the one of a few years ago, which is all the more reason to cut ties and get a fresh start much like the original /a/jp/ split. With a new board comes new culture and I'm sure that those that do go can make something that's perhaps even better than some of the shit we've had in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952534
>since at least 2014
Um, try 2012. Literally.

Lynch the jan, burn the jay. Is there a single redeeming thing about the same lifeless procession of generals and imagedumps, the occasional spurt of novelty being instantly squashed because of boring, spiritless people like >>12952513 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>NO IT'LL JUST GET INFESTED WITH /v/ AND [s4s]

who the fuck cares if it's shitty just take it down. these people literally just don't want to see it happen because it'd be a victory for the "shitposters".

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952513
>>12952515
Stop trying to blame other people. This is what you the idiotic users too blind to realize the situation wished for. Now you're asking to have the board split further and more complicated rules to separate content. Then they're going to do that and next you will sit here grumbling why either board only has 300000 posts a year. You're a bunch of whining kiddies that don't know what you want and the mods shouldn't ever listen to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952477
You need to realize that the amount of /jp/ offshots is caused by the owners' autismal desire to shape the board 100% to their liking. In the end, hardly anyone but their closest clique posts on them.

That also explains all they accuse moderation of. A clinical example of projection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952513
Yeah except now on-topic otaku culture topics get nuked because the because the boards rules are bullshit and the mods cant make up their damn minds while useless shit like whichtohowudyoufug thread number 99999 gets to stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952574
>Now you're asking to have the board split further and more complicated rules to separate content.
That's literally the exact opposite of what we ask for.

[Anonymous No.]

rename current /jp/ to /og/ (otaku/general) and make a new 2D/Random /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952577
This board really isn't much better either. It just has more posters but that could be debatable now. There must be at least 10 or 20 spinoffs now if you count them all. The fact is this board is stagnating because the on-topic subjects are becoming less relevant to actual otaku culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952574
>you're asking to have the board split further
Where have I stated this?

>more complicated rules to separate content
I'm actually advocating a reduction in rules to limit the abuses the board regularly suffers from in discriminant moderation practices.

>You're a bunch of whining kiddies that don't know what you want
Looks like you're having a difficult time with the notion of open debate. Are you aware that while some of us share the title of Anonymous, we aren't in fact all the same person.

>and the mods shouldn't ever listen to you
The mods serve the community and only exist for their instrumental value. It's not the other way around - this misconception has arguably led to the ridiculous autocracy we find ourselves currently stagnating in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952558
>type of community that the board would attract would be the /jp/ and yes, /a/ crowd

Really? Even if the board is literally nothing more than "random and two dimensional" with completely hands off moderation? As I said I think you people have a serious perspective problem with regards to what kind of people make up the majority of this site in 2015.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952600
No, no, no. That is exactly what you're asking for but you just haven't realized it. The same thing happened when you kiddies screamed all day for more moderation. You got it and now you can enjoy it with less and less posts every year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952577
ummmm this sounds more like janny's place than any offshoot

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952577
Your post is a clinical example of projection. People don't even know who the admins are for half of the branch boards, only two of the five could remotely be considered cliques. Your generalization and condescension towards them stems from your personal "autismal" desire to have /jp/ be exactly the way you want it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952612
Nothing you say as what I assume you think is an intelligent argument can refute the trends and the turning point that led to the current decline. You're a bunch of stuck up whiny kiddies that don't know what you want but are going to break everything to get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952614
>The same thing happened when you kiddies screamed all day for more moderation
Nobody ever did this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952628
Yes they did. They kept on doing it and it happened. Stop sticking your head in the sand and pretending this didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952628
>>12952637
Not only did people demand moderation but they cheered and celebrated when the mods made a small list of rules and allowed threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952604
The board is stagnating because there's less and less distinguishable from /a/ in both topics and posting quality.

The "solutions" this thread proposes is to make the board even more shit. The real solution is to make it less shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952642
The rules that were adopted during the /q/ saga were literally plugged by one person who bragged about his success after the fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952650
It was more than one person. It was the same kind of stupid know it alls that are here right now talking about how they can ruin the board even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952627
>refute the trends and the turning point that led to the current decline
I think the inability to post outside generals and the 40% probability to have your content deleted immediately for reasons external to the board's ruleset, just maybe, contributed only marginally, again this is a huge maybe, to the fact that /jp/ is now a big, boring, lobotomized piece of shit that only sticks around because of the advertising interests of entities that market idols, babymetal and weeaboo games. Do you actually fucking enjoy any of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952658
No, the actual list of rules was shaped and continually reposted by one person. It passed because there was split opinion and the alternative was 2D/Random. moot and the staff have always hated the ambiguity of /jp/'s "topic" so they jumped at the chance to establish concrete rules that had any level of support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952659
I don't enjoy it but I don't trust the rest of you to come up with a solution to fix it. You've all fixed it enough over the years and that's what got the board this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952623
>>NO U
>NO U

I'm not in a position to complain, I guess.

>>12952627
>the trends and the turning point that led to the current decline

The rise of shitposting and AoC's resignation leading to the period of zero moderation, respectively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952672
Not true at all. There was a whole group of people that spam bombed any thread they didn't like and screamed for more moderation. They asked what people want on /q/ and I think maybe even a thread here and they went with that. You got what you wished for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952674
But the solution is to return everything back to japan/general with less rules and less moderation.
The only thing that was needed back then was a guy that can clear pages of saten/chie spam.
Sadly some people took the power they have and did extra work to the detrimental of the board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952672
Your retarded conspiracy theory is no different whatsoever from blaming all of the 2012-2013 shitposting on Trevor. The people who tried to make the board have rules was some putrid oldfags who had nothing better to do.

[Anonymous No.]

Slay the Jay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952676
AoC was a bad moderator and literally had a brain tumor that made him crazy. The only people that actually liked that shit was the Cult of Meido that wanted to suck some janny cock. When they got it the board was sentenced to a slow death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952695
>bad moderator
Stopped reading here. He was never promoted, good to know you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952685
There was a whole group of people that spam bombed threads they didn't like, and everyone else asked for moderation to stop them.

It worked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952688
I agree with that, yes. That is what I'm trying to say. Minimal moderation was best. Keep the spammers out and that's it really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952698
You know what I meant, don't be such a whiny pedantic faggot. This is exactly the spirit that killed this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952699
It worked because the threads became banned. This is what happens when the moderation tries to appease people with autism.

[Anonymous No.]

How about a board where we can actually *discuss* stuff without being afreaid of getting banned / have threads deleted just because they're not 100% on-topic
I've seen too many threads with 100+ posts and ongoing discussion removed

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952718
The only thing that got banned and had any kind of pretense to having been on /jp/ before the eternal shitposting raid of 2011 were the NEET threads. Not a topic I'm going to cry for.

Everything else can now actually be discussed in relative peace because the shits were driven out or stay contained on warosu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952708
I know what you mean and back in 2012 I made a bunch of silly threads just like how you probably did so. But as far as I remember 2012 was a complete mess, comprised of a huge war between moderations and supporters against the rest. I'm all for /jp/ - creativity, but in no way I want all of the spam and crap that had nothing to do with otaku culture back then. Hell, I sent a mail to moot some weeks ago complaining about over moderation.

[Anonymous No.]

lol

/jp/ - /a/v/ crossie hangout

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952742
They didn't get banned, they got their own little section in the rules. Every other thread got banned.

>>12952719
Agreed 100% let /jp/ evolve with new content as japanese and otaku culture progresses.

>>12952746
Exactly. People just stopped taking it easy and tried to force the board in to something it wasn't meant to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952758
>They didn't get banned, they got their own little section in the rules. Every other thread got banned.
This your first time on /jp/ in two years friend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952758
>Every other thread got banned.

Then I guess /jp/ must be empty now.

Funny how you don't bring up any concrete examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952791
Nope but I don't post here regularly anymore because all the threads are shit and repetitive.

>>12952793
Every other thread that wasn't in the stupid list or Touhou related.

>Funny how you don't bring up any concrete examples.
Maybe rather than your stupid conspiracy theory this is because it happened about 3 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

you know people if you lost interest in this maybe you should just accept it and move on? i dont see why you insist on hiding behind nonsense arguments about quality, board culture, moderation and other similar idiocy. youre not going to have fun like you used to, even if everything will be like you want to youre not going to enjoy it. isnt it about time to admit that you changed and try to find something else to do?

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny how nobody ever gives a reason why we're persecuted. I mean, yeah, we antagonize you but it's all in good fun. Toughen up.

Generals and everybody else can co-exist, it just gets bloody and trolly and fun. Freedom is what made this site great. Tangential rantings are what made this site great. Allow conflict. Hugboxes can be found everywhere and are real boring. Not that you want that with the impending sale.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952800
You can't bring up an example even when you're called upon on it. Guess what that demonstrates.

Shall I name them for you? Penises. Sucking penises. Gloryholes. Camwhore worship. Scamming the government. /pol/ bullshit. Pure spam and gibberish. The list can go on and we both know nothing on it would make you look good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952817
I agree but you can still acknowledge how it got this way. Most people moved on already and say they don't use 4chan or barely use it. The real problem is where to go and what to do when you have been displaced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952842
We have toughened up. That's why you lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952817
Mostly I just feel hurt and dejected. I've been waiting for the chance to talk to my friends again for so long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952844
It demonstrates that you're looking for boogeyman excuses. I guess you're trying to suggest those things made up two thirds of the posts on /jp/ before it got good moderation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952849
Did we really lose? Look at the state of things. It seems like we've driven you all a bit paranoid.

[Anonymous No.]

lol jannies love themselves so much

they'll delete legitimate otaku things but leave this meta thread up because it concerns them and their egos

what a strange bunch

also it's funny how they project all their mental illnesses on us. sorry jannies but we're not the ones moderating for free, hours a day, every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,1
But we are the ones complaining about them moderating for hours and hours a day, everyday, for free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,2
nah we just guerilla shitpost and have a few lols now and again while living real lives and working real jobs

they collect autism bux and refresh all the imageboards all day long non stop trying to enforce some weird vision on everybody that nobody wants

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,2
hi brad, how's the weather in florida today

[Anonymous No.]

lol jannies love themselves so much

they'll delete legitimate otaku things but leave this meta thread up because it concerns them and their egos

what a strange bunch

also it's funny how they project all their mental illnesses on us. sorry jannies but we're not the ones moderating for free, hours a day, every day

Also one of our janitors are a furry. LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952386
/jp/ was literally created as a drainage ditch for undesirable topics on /a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953099
Then the drain got clogged and now it's permanently stuck, left wet and slimy, smell of rot and bugs swarming around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,2
If the logs have taught me anything it's that the staff take this way, way, more seriously than most of us do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,3
Fuck off kuso janiteam black flagger

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953134,1
yeah this

they read all our posts
see all our shitposting threads
write down our filenaming patterns
talk about us in irc
stalk our websites
are confirmed to look for threads badmouthing them on sites like cripplechan gnfos and ota
call it a "job"

I mean even as a pro shitposter, you haven't seen basically every single "shitpost" made on a board in months

this is beyond mental illness

they are the pros and they take their job very seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,4
howd you know I live in florida...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952849
If you're a janitor/mod you didn't toughen up, you only got paranoid as fuck and began deleting and banning near everything that you were afraid were posts made by the boogeymen of the /jp/ shitposting clique. This means catching a fuckload of unrelated users as well. The more unrelated users you caught and wrongfully banned, the bigger your boogeyman list got, the more paranoid you became.

Now nearly everyone with a potential "shitposter suspect posting habit and filename" looks like an epic shitposting ban evader when you're the one who framed them for crimes they never committed yet still hold fast to that belief like it's true. The only way to actually fix /jp/ is to not be so emotionally invested in the posts you're deleting. Just delete spam, illegal shit and leave all the rest. Feel free to delete the stupid fucking "cat is janny" threads because they contribute nothing, but for fucks sake leave the other individual posts in random /jp/ related threads alone.

If someone says "slay the gay" once in a thread which is related to traps or whatever, let that fucking guy have his opinion. I'm 100% sure you believe "slay the gay" is an epic shitposter slogan and you would give him a ban evader penalty, and this is exactly why people hate your oppressive level of moderation. If someone wants to parrot a meme just leave the prick.

This fucking war between moderation and "shitposting boogeymen trolls" needs to end so you can actually apply meaningful moderation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,2
>But we are the ones complaining about them moderating for hours and hours a day, everyday, for free.

uhhh i dont do this. i spend my time watching unsubbed anime and playing fun video games, while dropping a shite every now and then.

maybe you spend hours on /jp/ and warosu because you are janny. lol fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953200,1
sure ya do

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952849

>>12952869
>>12953200
Can you not take obvious bait?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952746,1
It really is, but those left refuse to admit it. There's no hope for the jay. del /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

I miss fartposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952842
>Freedom is what made this site great
This. But nowadays I feel like it's getting oppressed with excessive moderation

[Anonymous No.]

There is not really a feud between /jp/ the staff; there's a feud between a small part of /jp/ and the staff. Overall, /jp/ is made up of:

- people who hate the staff (Trevor, cat spammer, josh spammer, and the rest of the warosushitters and their friends)
- people who hate those people (the janitors, the mods, moot, and buttfrustrated /jp/ users)
- people who don't like hyper-strict moderation staff but hate the spammers even more
- people who genuinely don't give a shit

And maybe there's one or two people who aren't spammers but sympathize with them because "moderation killed /jp/."

[Anonymous No.]

And I'm 99% sure the person who's bitching out the staff right now is Nameless Book-Reading Youkai who's just eternally buttfrustrated that, being a fucking awful poster who has a name remarkably similar to Tokiko's, he got banned for evasion multiple times and now demands vengeance on the mods for their heinous mistake (which could have been avoided if he'd just stop being a horrendously shitty tripfag)..

Incidentally, he's not Tokiko, but he might as well be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12952869,1
>hours a day
*13 hours straight through the night, adjusting your sleep schedule so that you can be awake during peek shitposting hours

[Anonymous No.]

I long for the day this shitty board gets deleted.
Seeing the subhumans that still frequent this place being herded to /v/ and /a/ would bring me such great joy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953466
can you samefag the thread more brad

[Anonymous No.]

Hi, I'm [user] and I know exactly what everyone on /jp/ thinks. Let me speak for them and break it down for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953466
>>12953481
Stop dragging random users into your mods vs antimods feud by falsely accusing them of belonging to the antimod group just because they make a couple of less than stellar posts.

>but he might as well be

Tsk tsk. That's not your job to decide. If someone is making some rulebreaking posts, ban them for the offense. Don't frivolously request ban evasions because you're paranoid that the antimods might be getting a one up on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953466
lol now that we know that the jannies /jp/ browsing habits, it's so easy to see their posts and anonymous damage control

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953537
No, it is his job to decide. Since he's probably a janitor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953537
>Stop dragging random users into your mods vs antimods feud by falsely accusing them of belonging to the antimod group just because they make a couple of less than stellar posts.
I don't count you in the shitspammer group. You're in your own class of genuinely autistic fucks who won't shut the fuck up about trying to lawyer the site (alongside SMW, kuroko spammer, and a bunch of other intolerable shits.) You've even been joined by such esteemed luminaries as Alabama.

>Tsk tsk. That's not your job to decide. If someone is making some rulebreaking posts, ban them for the offense. Don't frivolously request ban evasions because you're paranoid that the antimods might be getting a one up on you.
I was satisfied that you weren't Tokiko after you tried to get #4chan to exonerate you that one time (they didn't believe you, but I did). It doesn't stop you from being a horrendously shitty poster and worthless tripfag who we're better off without. I'm not going to cry any tears for the holy grail of moderation consistency if you get banned for evasion or CP or anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953466
Trout you seem pretty upset today, or this burnward?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953537,1
what's fishheads timezone seeing as we know that it's EST for TheBurnWard

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953557
>>12953559
confirmed janny

[Anonymous No.]

feel when there is a janitor posting on gnfos

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953559
LOL

>leave off topic meta thread up
>delete posts insulting you

so literally no one can talk except the jannies. well that is how /jp/ died.

btw hi jannies :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953557
>even the /jp/ janny cant stay on subject in a thread

There some kind of irony here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953559,1
i'm the guy that trevor crowned prince of shitposting back when i had the bad sense to actually talk to him

they denied my application twice, it was awful

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953559
oh man this is fucking rich

how long is going to take them to resign

it didn't take smegmir long after we found out his name for him to resign

[Saten meta whiner No.]

><moots> i have no idea which mod decided it was magically okay to nuke jp based on a handful of users in q, but it wasnt me
><moots> you already know i am at my wits end with you
><moots> if they hate what you're doing again, you will be removed, i am sick of constantly dealing with them being angry at you
><moots> it's your gamble
><moots> "Thanks for officially ruining /jp/, I seriously hate you. The board is now nazi Germany where absolutely nothing is tolerated but strictly on topic threads." first email in my inbox

feely when moot listened...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953559,2
link

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953552
Janitors are not supposed to go on personal vendettas. And judging by how this guy is personally out to get Tokiko, I'd call that a personal vendetta.

>>12953557
>tripfag
There you go again, mistaking random anons for people on your shitlist. You need to stop this paranoid shit some time soon and chill the fuck out. Just because you janny on /jp/ doesn't make it your own personal board where you're King Masterlord. You're just volunteering to clean up the mess, don't forget that.

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr: /jp/ has a good balance of seriousness, silliness and thread lifespan, don't create a board solely to breed bandwagon shitposters.

Generals are not a problem for me. Do you even Catalog?

The only ones I frequent are "OC general" and "Comiket general", the latter being a once every semester thing.

I don't see how generals get in the way of other topics. There was recently a 50+ posts thread about the pronunciation of a ten ten hiragana, a thread about "pop music that doesn't sound like animay",

So you have "generals" and "specifics" coexisting with no overlapping, fine. How about more loose, offtopic content?

Well, the board is full of random "I want to fuck Raymoo" stuff and that gets hundreds of replies. Sounds like enough liberty to funpost around.

Creating a 2D/Random would be allowing full shitposting, tripfags, people using anime reactions with the sole intention of shitposting.

I don't know about you, but I use other chans from my country and anime has shifted from a general thing people like to a collection of reactions for shitposting, from people that don't even watch anime and just wanna be "funposters"

If you were to create a 2D/Random board, you wouldn't be only giving them a place (like I said, /jp/ has a bit of windowspace for them and that's fine), you would be ACTIVELY STIMULATING the breeding of more anime shitposters and doing a disservice for the otaku culture, which gets more and more hate from normalfags who think all animefags are like those attwhore /a/tards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953559,7
lol wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953591
4/10

[Anonymous No.]

Put your trip back on, Alabama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953591
how new is this guy

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ is dead, why try to resurrect it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953591
There is so much wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin.

[Saten meta whiner No.]

so the autistic /jp/ jannies drove hotwheels away and he made his own site

then rapeape was a lazy faggot who caused all the /v/ posters to go to hotwheels site

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953587
>And judging by how this guy is personally out to get Tokiko, I'd call that a personal vendetta.
Anyone who's permabanned should stay permabanned. It's very sad that a completely innocent (awful, shitty) poster got banned for being essentially indistinguishable from a permabanned shitter and I cry great tears for him.

>There you go again, mistaking random anons for people on your shitlist.
If you're not Nameless Book-Reading Youkai, just say so.

>Just because you janny on /jp/ doesn't make it your own personal board where you're King Masterlord. You're just volunteering to clean up the mess, don't forget that.
I don't even get to do that. All I get to do is call you retards retards. For free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953604,1
i bet your one of the janitors

[Saten meta whiner No.]

>>12953604,1
and yet moot decides rapeape is the best one to replace him

le sigh

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953609
>I don't even get to do that.
If you're completely irrelevant, just say so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953587
For better or worse, recent evidence showed that they go on witch hunts. This isn't really the place to talk about it, just check the archive if you're curious.

[Saten meta whiner No.]

>>12953609,1
lmaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooooo

Search the logs for "saten," the other jannies would kill themselves if they made a Saten-friend into a janny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953609,1
are you retarded

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953614
I just did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953604,1
criplechan still fucking sucks their /a/ doesnt even watch anime they suggest you recommend them anime so they can watch them and get a discussion going

[Anonymous No.]

If only trout-senpai was here...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953591
The otaku culture you enjoy was nurtured by 2D/Random via futaba. Basically, you should lurk more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953622
instantly deleted

[Anonymous No.]

trout if you see this which i guess you do i really want you to know that your sonic meme was p. epic

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit one of my post was just deleted so fast that the archive couldn't even fetch it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953622,1
No, >>12953625 was instantly deleted. Your post stayed up for like two minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953622,1
/jp/ - Janny's Playpen

[Anonymous No.]

this is fucking great

we have names now, we have evidence

this is the ammunition for possibly the greatest shitposting crusade ever

[Saten meta whiner No.]

(17:32:52) ‹~moots› i have no idea which mod decided it was magically okay to nuke jp based on a handful of users in q, but it wasnt me
(17:33:05) ‹~moots› you already know i am at my wits end with you
(17:33:27) ‹~moots› if they hate what you're doing again, you will be removed, i am sick of constantly dealing with them being angry at you
(17:33:33) ‹~moots› it's your gamble
(17:34:22) ‹~moots› "Thanks for officially ruining /jp/, I seriously hate you. The board is now nazi Germany where absolutely nothing is tolerated but strictly on topic threads." first email in my inbox
(17:34:57) ‹+BluRay› >nuke
(17:35:25) ‹+Azatsu› we did have many meta threads complaining that /jp/ didn't have any specific rules for years...
(17:35:43) ‹+Kyoubro› Well, to look at it one way... are those people the ones we want on 4chan? Are they the userbase we're catering to?
(17:35:54) ‹+Kyoubro› It's very possible that they're just a vocal minority.
(17:36:09) ‹+Azatsu› if users were okay with /jp/ being completely free and userbase decisive there wouldn't be metathreads talking about how we should have mods and everything
(17:36:09) ‹+Bloom› is /jp/ supposed to be about otaku culture or 2D/random
(17:36:16) ‹+Bloom› i think thats the issue here and nobody knows.
(17:36:17) ‹+BluRay› no no, pretty sure it IS a vocal minority
(17:36:23) ‹+BluRay› hell no at the latter
(17:36:51) ‹+AoC› And the posters have been responding positively to the sticky. I will take the gamble, posters want a cleaner /jp/ and spammers are the first to bombard you with negative emails since its easier.
(17:37:14) ‹+Kyoubro› ^agreed
[b](17:37:32) ‹+AoC› Give me 2 weeks, people will be happier. I bet my role here on it

[i]LMAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,5
How about we revive the total wipe plan again? Let's get the band back together and wipe the entire board.

They might end up in a fucking psych ward this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953622

I got hit with ban evasion for that. I'm trying to play ff14 so I'll have to reset my router later

grrr trout-senpai grrrr you got me good >:(

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,6
PUT ME IN COACH I'M READY

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,8
What server?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,6
aoc is sucha bro i wish hed post more

[Anonymous No.]

How about you retards think about why this thread is up, take a hint, put your militant shitposting on pause, give some reasonable input and try to win back what you were fighting for in the first place? Make some reasonable posts, make some reasonable replies, email [e-mail], admin@4chan and [e-mail] and ask them to consider the argument for leniency here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,12
i dont care about jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,12
fuck off janiturd

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953559,3
[09:59:45] <Kobayashi> >post gets deleted
[09:59:58] <Kobayashi> >deleted anon starts yelling at other anon
[10:00:03] <Kobayashi> "YOU MUST BE THE JANITOR!!"
[10:01:14] <TheBurnWard> "There is no other logical reason for my shitflinging to be deleted other than I specifically offended the guy I was posting at."
[10:01:35] <TheBurnWard> shitposters -20XX

If you don't call them out by name your post gets to stick around, even if you are a ban-evading shitter like New Tokiko.

>>12953635,7
The last time you tried that it was sad as shit. You didn't even get two pages and it took you fifteen minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,15
its like they are demons, once you know their names you have total power over them

[Saten meta whiner No.]

>>12953635,12
It is too late, all the posters have left, there's been a dozen spinoff boards including 8chan. The posting rate is half of what it was a couple of years ago. The autistic /jp/ jannies have killed /jp/ and potentially 4chan as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,10
Ragnarok

>>12953635,16
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,15
Are you talking about the Jangolin thread? That was me and one or two other guys fucking around. There was no attempt to spam it off the board

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953591
The generals don't interfere with other content. They ruin the discussion of their topic.

[Anonymous No.]

lel jannies even came up here to damage control

they desperately want to be told that they do a good job... but even the grand jew chewed them out

kill yourselves jannies everyone hates you all hahahaha :3

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953635,17
/jp/ gets more posts in a day than 8/jp/ has gotten in its entire history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,1
not true i really liked two of the jans/mods

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,2
and.... ?

every splinter that doesn't have a monstergirl and kancolle general won't get that sea of shitty posts to inflate their numbers

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953673,4
If you cut out MGG and Kancolle general you actually lose like a third of the posts, so two days, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,5
so thats only 3000 posts a day?

8chan is currently 13% the size of 4chan and 8chans /jp/ looks like it got about 500 posts since about this time yesterday

its an outlier on 8chan then by your estimate, its a few percentage points faster than you'd expect

put all the splinters together and you have probably have more posts on splinters than on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,4
Dont encourage him

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,7
i usually wouldn't but it needs to be said that we are actually a pretty large community on the splinter /jp/ sites

im done now

[Anonymous No.]

fuck 8chan i wouldnt want to be caught dead posting there

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,6
holy shit 8chan /jp/ is really that large already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,10
i don't browse there i wouldn't know i just did the math

could be an exceptional day

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,11
the big stat is that warosu is about 1/3 the speed of /jp/

if you take out monstergirls and kancolle the splinter community is actually larger

[Anonymous No.]

I want to get the new chipotle chicken combo from jackin the box but that girl might not be there but if she is she might think im fat and i do feel a bit heavy since I went yesterday to get fast food but ky mom is goin to make pocole or however that is spelt and I ate the leftover this morning for breakfast and I think she might tell me something for getting fast food again but its my moneyi dont know what to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,11
Yesterday was the leak though and 8chan users are largely from /pol/, /v/ and shit so they are very anti moderation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,13
by food somewhere else retard

[Anonymous No.]

Fresh from cripplejew

[00:11:16] <yetsturdy> nah
[00:11:19] <yetsturdy> how about
[00:11:26] <yetsturdy> 1. don't act like it's OK to be a pedo
[00:11:39] <yetsturdy> 2. don't act like drawn pedo porn is OK to look at
[00:11:40] <Kusanagi> Who's acting like it's ok
[00:11:42] <yetsturdy> you
[00:11:45] <Kusanagi> What
[00:12:03] <yetsturdy> you're getting all mad and huffy when I say "if you like loli you're a pedo"
[00:12:20] <Kusanagi> Just because I tear things down to an extremely general level and can tell the difference between reality and fantasy doesn't mean I'm advocating what happens in the fantasy relam in reality
[00:12:36] <yetsturdy> you're implicitly defending pedos
[00:12:50] <Kusanagi> I'm defending the right of artist to express himself
[00:12:51] <Kusanagi> really
[00:12:53] <yetsturdy> I don't think it's a good idea to encourage pedos to fantasize about loli
[00:13:49] <Kusanagi> Here's what I don't think is good, actual child porn, here's what I think is gross, toddlercon, here is what I think is in that grey area, DFC/lolicon
[00:13:57] <yetsturdy> DFC
[00:13:58] <yetsturdy> the fuck is that
[00:14:03] <yetsturdy> I bet it's some pedo shit
[00:14:12] <yetsturdy> also, why is lolicon even a grey area for you?
[00:14:12] <Kusanagi> flat girls
[00:14:17] <yetsturdy> oooooooh
[00:14:21] <yetsturdy> I know what you mean
[00:14:28] <yetsturdy> please tell me what DFC stands for so I can hear you say it
[00:14:44] <yetsturdy> or are you going to refrain from typing it out
[00:14:50] <yetsturdy> because you realize how fucking sick it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,16
God I fucking love Kusanagi. I heard he got banned by moot for arguing with that yets retard, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,17
fuck off kusanagi

[Anonymous No.]

The jannies just make forumesque goodposts nobody remembers anyway. Did anyone expect anything else? Smegrimr was a NOBODY.

This is literally a conspiracy of masturbatory wine-cellar violinists breaking the fingers of everyone in the dead of night, philharmonics included.

Get some more shocks through your brain lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,17
He was the leaker afaik

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,19
no he definitely wasn't

he got fired before this

[Anonymous No.]

I doubt anyone expected the thread not to devolve into shitflinging and bickering, but it's not like /jp/ is known for being able to agree on anything.

Either way, this back and forth between staff and /jp/sie has been going on for years now and it's apparently that there is no sign of it stopping. Even if the solution isnt a new board, I really do hope that for the sake of both parties, that you guys at least consider some sort of solution other than dragging this shit out for the years to come.

[Anonymous No.]

Such a righteous person. How does moot even find these people?

Jul 08 21:16:01 <yetsturdy> i made my mother cry in public today
Jul 08 21:16:09 <yetsturdy> she came into the city to see me since I moved out and she's a mother
Jul 08 21:16:38 <yetsturdy> I told her I was angry at her
Jul 08 21:16:53 <yetsturdy> I wasn't really, but I wanted her to be sad
Jul 08 21:16:58 <yetsturdy> I think I did a wrong thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,15
Where should I go and what should I get? I live close to a mcdonalds and a mexican restaurant and a weinerschitnzel too and a 7/11 but if I walk I might not be hungry anymore and I will see kids and a lot of people since its the weekend and I only have shortss so they will see my pale legs and I dont have that much experience at those other places so I dony know what to do I can ask my mom to drive me but then she will say no and get mad because I just ate fast foood and then she is going to make something because my dads sister came over today so I dont think I can ask her right now and she will say to save my money I earned feom my job

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,2
EAT SHIT DICKS PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,1
How is this guy not underage? Is he just mentally stunted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,1
holy shit these are juicy logs

[Queen Bitch of the Universe !WnYA1htnTU No.]

>>12953673,6
That's twice or three times as many as usual, most because people are creaming themselves over gnfosgate.

[Anonymous No.]

PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,4
[12:46:12] <yetsturdy> reddit pre-2010 was a wonderful place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,4

I want to know why he wasn't kicked from his position sooner. All he does is talk about his personal life and SJW topics, never actually seems to discuss anything related to moderation.

[Saten meta whiner No.]

>>12953673,17
banned by rapeape along with yets

so is AOC still a janny or did he quit again/get fired?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731
> I really do hope that for the sake of both parties, that you guys
>you guys

lel vindictive /jp/ janny blaming the userbase for everything as usual

it even comes complete with the suigin+aoc forced meido meme

>im just a cute lil meido anime girl who din do nuffins xDDDDD
>mentally stunted brain tumor patient that works for free IRL

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys is there anything in the logs about the decision to move monster girls to /jp/

ive been out of the loop for a while, who actually made this call

[Anonymous No.]

https://media.8ch.net/jp/src/1422218427644.jpg

THIS IS LITERALLY A 4CHAN JANITOR LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

https://8ch.net/jp/res/5723.html#5863

holy shit this is the yesturdy guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,11
It was referring to them, not us, to find a solution. It's not like the users can do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,3
What? I'm grtting hungry can you help me decide we can weigh the pros and cons to help me make the best decision financially and culinary wise

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, yesturdy is definitely an impossible retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,12
plenty basically from what I can see no one ever agreed to it. They just think they belong on /jp/. Burnward one of our main janitors right now is heavily opposed to them, but he's an idiot. A lot of people think they belong on /d/, but what basically happened is they settled down on /jp/ so they can stay there.

>>12953731,14
Years/date and board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,14
>>12953731,13
false alarm it's not him

[Anonymous No.]

[21:32:47] <yetsturdy> i'm cooking one of these new pretzel-bread hot pockets
[21:32:52] <yetsturdy> I think it is literally swelling up
[21:43:38] <yetsturdy> this "hot pocket" is disgusting
[21:43:45] <yetsturdy> i must be eating too much delicious hipster food
[21:43:50] <yetsturdy> my old fare is now gross

[Anonymous No.]

(16:38:58) ‹+VCR_Working› like i said, the core of the problem is the people who've turned /jp/ in their own little playground
(16:39:04) ‹+Azatsu› 5 janitors, kami and kdel
(16:39:15) ‹+Azatsu› /a/ is blessed with people that care for the board
(16:39:17) ‹+Azatsu› *6 janitors
(16:39:23) ‹+Azatsu› and they are grateful when you do your job
(16:39:32) ‹+Azatsu› unlike /jp/, who spit in your face and tells you that you're wrong
(16:39:36) ‹+andonuts› I wasn't implying th at /a/ didn't have mods, I was just saying that they need at least a single dedicated mod at all hours.
(16:39:43) ‹+Azatsu› Indeed, they need
(16:39:45) ‹+VCR_Working› actually tbh
(16:39:50) ‹+Bloom› every board needs that
(16:39:54) ‹+Bloom› no board is ever going to get it
(16:39:54) ‹+Azatsu› I'm just saying that /a/ should be glad that they have such support from the staff
(16:39:55) ‹+VCR_Working› [12:39:29] <+Azatsu> unlike /jp/, who spit in your face and tells you that you're wrong
(16:39:58) ‹+andonuts› True enough.
(16:40:04) ‹+VCR_Working› i think this is the same subgroup of shitposters
(16:40:13) ‹+Azatsu› yeah, it's a shame
(16:40:45) ‹+Azatsu› some boards really need a little bit of more mods
(16:40:46) ‹+Azatsu› like /v/
(16:40:58) ‹+VCR_Working› they mock the hell out of authority, and do whatever they want, even if rules were established they wouldn't listen

Le shitposting illuminati faec

[Anonymous No.]

>(16:39:15) ‹+Azatsu› /a/ is blessed with people that care for the board
They care so much that they got fired.

[Anonymous No.]

guys its not fair

why do they get an irc channel to have proper moderation but we dont get an irc channel to cordinate our shitposting

maybe we can have a channel on irc.sageru or something because its anonymous there

[Anonymous No.]

>(16:39:32) ‹+Azatsu› unlike /jp/, who spit in your face and tells you that you're wrong
how does this not make you wonder whether maybe something is actually wrong on your end

these people have a genuinely low iq

[Anonymous No.]

these people are so deluded they view themselves as "internet authority"

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,23
Because we're not so autistic that we need to coordinate in private like the jannies. Just think how great it is, they can only talk shit about us behind our backs, but we can talk shit about them openly and they can't do anything about it. Fuckin steaming all day they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953731,25
on a site that never asked for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953466
aoc please use your trip

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953728
I'd rather have a boring mod than a flamboyant faggot. Imagine if Suigin got the job back when they were picking from the list of shitty tripfags, it'd be a fucking disaster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953635,12
i don't care
i want this cesspool of /a/v/ janny babysitted threads to die in a stream of niggy's diarrhea

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,1
this

I want it to end with /jp/ - niggy

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,1
That was Brad or the furry calm down.

[Anonymous No.]

I never really cared for shitposting, but seeing how these guys treat the users honestly makes me want to start shitposting seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

holy shit you could just tell a retardo like that yesturd guy was in the janitor team it's amazing that these people are as pathetic as i'd imagined

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,4
you'll start and discover how much fun it is

what countries are still banned from 4chan

is china banned still?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,6
Yeah China is most countries aren't it just depends on the isp. You also can't post from a handful of middle eastern countries its best to use third world proxies

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,10
It's really not for the most part. 8/jp/ used to be owned by a shit janitor and only really came into existence in it's current form a couple of months ago when the new board owner took control. Usually the active users sits at about 40-60 (unique IPs that have posted in the past 3 days) and the PPH (posts per hour) sits at between 0-10PPH.

In a normal day you'll only get a couple hundred posts at most, things have just been much faster in the past couple days because of the leak and as a lot of /jp/sies ultimately ended up there to talk about it. Add to that 8/a/ is generally emulating old /a/ in terms of the content it allows (VNs/LNs/tea/denpa/comiket/etc. welcome) so I imagine most /jp/sies that actually want to discuss weeb shit rather than just funpost gachimuchi and neet threads probably go there instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,8
shill for your shit /a/ board harder why don't you

lets take a look at cripplecuck's /a/ board

https://8ch.net/a/res/149744.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/149799.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/148287.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/146907.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/146907.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/132561.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/149785.html
https://8ch.net/a/res/126472.html

and you have the fucking gall to post this shit here

i dont know how the fuck you found this board or this site but leave and never fucking return or i'll come shitpost your shitty fucking fag board

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,9
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,9

This is one of the worst things I have ever seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,9
>>12954381,9
Who knew the jans get so steamed about infinite chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,12
the saddest thing about this is that he replied to himself

they got outed as lurking regularly 8ch's /jp/ board in the logs

they will try to discredit gnfos or 8/jp/ at any chance they get, including staging arguments with themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,12
Don't go around falsely accusing people of being the janitor. Its very obvious when one of them is. If you looked at the logs you would know they have a very obvious posting style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,9
>being this assblasted that I pointed out the obvious
Point me to the VN thread, LN thread, pretty much any thread outside of funposting or NEET shit that's /jp/-related which is actually on 8/jp/. It's the 2D/random board you fucking autistic sperg, there's no need to get so insecure that /jp/sies who actually want to discuss their weebshit rather than do nothing but funpost wade through the stupid shit on 8/a/ to actually get to the threads where they can talk about it. Stay angry and keep raging over something so pathetic and ineffectual, /jp/ is just great how it is currently splintered between janny's palace on 4/jp/, shitposting general on 8/jp/,/ghost/, gnfos and the neet wonderland known as wizchan. Fucking insecure faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,14
HOLY FUCK HE CHANGES HIS WRITING STYLE IN ORDER TO SAY THE JANGOLINS HAS SPECIFIC POSTING STYLE LMAAOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,15
Hey Brad, how's it going? Yeah that's right, only us "real /jp/sies" go to the 8chan /a/ board. I mean really, what kind of /jp/ doesn't have VN general? Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,3
but it's true
i'm not angry, it's just my wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,18
it is my wish too

my goal in life is to wipe every single thread off of /jp/ with niggy

[Anonymous No.]

i never went to 8chan but it seems like everyone there acts like some kind of newfag from /pol/

[Anonymous No.]

i miss niggy and shiteposter so much
#bringbackniggy

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,17
I don't care if you go to 8/a/ or not retard. What I'm saying is that 8/jp/ is not a successor to 4/jp/ (aka being what /jp/ should actually be - discussion of weeb shit with funposting, transparent/lax moderation and the shit that arbitrarily got banned over the years allowed) and will never be in it's current form. It's just funposting general - you take all the shitposting from old /jp/ and leave any actual discussion behind and that's 8/jp/ in a nutshell. The only other notable board which deals with topics that crossover with /jp/ on 8chan is 8/a/, hence me pointing out the fucking obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,22
ok, you've convinced me
im going to start trolling cripplecuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673,17
kusanagi was apparently still on the team in 2015 since someone mentioned he was there

if this happened it must have been recent

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,24
around 22 dec 2014 i hope rapeape brings him back though i doubt it otherwise /a/ is pretty much fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,25
he committed suicide to remove someone who was by far 4chan's most colossally retarded staff member from the jan team

let's pour one out in his honor

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,26
fuck off kusanagi you are still a fag

im getting real tired of this meme and if i wasnt going to bed id pull up the archives and find more than enough posts to dispel the illusion you dicksuckers keep perpetuating

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,27
dude youre going to have to take that back

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,26
He was nearly as stupid. Read the logs yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,28
kill yourself, d*de

[Anonymous No.]

i'm pourin one out 4 my homie kusanagi....
...pourin one liquid stream of shite right into the toilet rofl

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,29
the excerpts posted in 8chan aren't very interesting (except the part where he called yetsturdy a flaming cunt and got fired for it) and as far as i can tell he just talks about video games otherwise

i started searching through his ten thousand posts or whatever and all he seems to talk about video games it's boring as shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>12954381,32
look at the more recent logs the ones from the past two years or so

[Anonymous No.]

I miss the good old days when I played d2

[Anonymous No.]

make a touhou board like pokemon and mlp then jp will be cleansed

[Anonymous No.]

I really like what >>12859330 had to say, namely

>I miss the "GOOD OLD DAYS". I don't care if they were shitty, filled with dumb jokes and a bunch of stupid tripfag likes Zunbar, Arc, Athens, AoR, Currybutt, Suigintou or the 1000th type-moon thread. It was fun. Not only /jp/, but 4chan was different back then. At least the mood back then was laid back. If anything I just wish all of the shitposters were actually into otaku culture. I'd take kuroko spammer flodding pages and pages of the board than any of the FotM spam nowadays. Things are not as bad as in 2012 but the board at the moment is just in a deplorable state.

I feel like the board is very lifeless now, very sterile. It is cleaner, and the generals make discussion of particular topics very centralized and life is easy for those content to restrict themselves to various generals. But it is like something inexpressible is gone from this place.

I don't know what a good solution to this is, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Will little girl threads be allowed again if we agree to a nijiura board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955532
4chan has very much become the kind of forum with the kind of attitudes we used to take the piss out of. I can't adequately express the despair of watching my favorite site slowly become what it mocked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955635
It's depressing, it really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955532
>But it is like something inexpressible is gone from this place.
Something such as 2 million posts per year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955754
Yeah, that could be one thing...

I just noticed this thread is on autosage. I wish the admins/mods would do SOMETHING, anything, instead of just shutting down discussion related to the future of /jp/ but never taking any action whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955761
They are doing something and their hard work and tireless efforts have resulted in /jp/ as you see it today. That is an objective fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955770
To be more precise--I would like them to tone down the unnecessarily strict day-to-day moderation and/or take significant "macro-level" actions to rectify the state of the board instead of persisting in the delusion that this autistic micromanagement, sucking all of the fun and joy out of /jp/ and turning it into a wasteland dominated by eternal generals and imagedumps, will somehow inexplicably improve the board despite years of evidence to demonstrate that it does not and will not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955778
Well moot has washed his hands of the affair, and really who wouldn't?

My guess is that the new lead will be a team effort and will try to not rock the boat too much. In short I don't think anything will change any time soon until someone decides to shake things up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955787
I'll keep holding out for a miracle then.

[Anonymous No.]

A niijura board seems to be the best solution, honestly (one that replaces /jp/).

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955991
Could you explain why you feel that way?

From what I can tell you will be displacing at least half of the threads that do get posted and actually have a legitimate topic on /jp/ while only keeping the nonsense threads.

If current /jp/ is anything to go by then a niijura board will only have a few hundred thousand posts per year. How is that a justifiable board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12955808
It would certainly take a miracle to see all the splintered boards be reunited, for better or worse.

Something like a fresh start mentioned in >>12952455 is probably the best chance at that, as otherwise there's no pull. The time right now is also a good one seeing as there's already a bit of commotion and people are paying attention to see what's next. I am, anyway.

It's not like everyone is going to be happy with everything, and people will complain just to complain, but the hope is that the various things being complained about would be tolerated in favor of the things that keep us here. It seems to have been leaning the other way for a while now.

Saa.... if only taking it easy wasn't such a delicate matter.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if the bosses are even reading anything or they just autosaged and forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956200
>a few hundred thousand posts per year
Do you even know what topics are covered under the nijiura umbrella?
People can talk about mmo, tales series, monhun, DQ, anime, manga, plastic models, card game, eroge, fightan games, mobage, nip meme all under the comfort of a single board.

Now I am sure some of you might ask, why not go to /a/ or /vg/? I guess the most honest and accurate answer would be, all my friends are here and not there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956216
I think the problem with that idea is that the splintered boards wont necessarily reunite. You're talking about 10 or even 20 spinoffs that have been made and serve a fragment of the population, that might use one or several boards including this one. It really does say something when there are so many splinters of just one board and one subsection of the community. I also think the hostility towards them is misguided because they're not all the same and the current /jp/ doesn't exactly embody the spirit of what /jp/ means to most people. So there are some really huge jumps in logic here for most of the arguments people make.

In either case I don't think a new /jp/ will bring the old /jp/ back but hopefully there will be new posters who define what a new /jp/ looks like and can have fun with that instead of lifelessly going through the motions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12953673
Oh, I see your point, then. Although I personally like the generals mechanic, that might feel a bit stiff for a broad topic.

I guess it's less a problem of /jp/ being bad-handed and more a shifting trend of the Internet, many forums are dying and social networks suck all people up. We're surviving islands amidst a sea of LCL raising.

I was really impressed comparing C83 and C86 in terms of number of posts in here; nobody gave a shit about C86 and C87 was pretty slow too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956240
We can dream.. ;_;

Actually, being autosaged and not deleted is rather promising in itself.

[Anonymous No.]

if /jp/ is shit where do I go instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956252
It's basically 2D/Random but that doesn't mean anyone is going to honor all of those topics without arguments and spammers posting Truck Simulator 2015 because they play on Japanese servers.

You will also displace all of the 3D topics, probably including but not limited to idols, japanese streets, trains, OC, Nico Douga, or any other topic that doesn't fit in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956267
Who care, if they want to spam, let them proxy spam.
It is 2015 right now, isnt the 2hour timer to make a new thread still active in /jp/? And if I remembered correctly OP can't bump their own thread anymore. I mean if someone is that dedicated to go through all this, give him his truck simulator thread instead of antagonize him and going back/forth with the deleting/spamming war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956255
It would take a miracle, yeah? They don't necessarily have to reunite though, time flows forward, not backward. I think as long as the conditions change such that they no longer create the desire for creating/migrating to splintered boards due to overwhelming dissatisfaction, they'd be welcome.

/jp/ meaning different things to different people is also something I like. It's a lot more fun that way, and it gives off that feeling in >>12956252, "all my friends are here and not there."

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956267
Well, I mean, it's not hard to imagine that a mod could just define the purpose of 2D/Random to be anything that directly falls under "2D/Random" AND some 3D Japan-related topics.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe a board name like "Japan/Random" would be most appropriate? I don't know though

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to discuss existential nihilism and my disgusting fetishes amidst cute anime images and layers of irony. Is that really too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956291
The same could be said for current /jp/ too.
>>12956347
That makes it no different to current /jp/ except for a new name and probably displacing more users. I don't see how that will increase post count over the years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956321
To me the issue seems to be that the content has stagnated. I can no longer go on /jp/ and find the latest stuff I never knew existed getting talked about by people who know what is up. If I look at the catalog now it doesn't look as boring as it was say 2 months ago but who knows how long that lasts.

Whether the board is new or the same one I think the rules need to be loosened up to prevent stagnation. I can't speak for other users but I never started posting on 4chan because I wanted my threads deleted, edited or removed by forum moderators out to make sure everyone is staying on topic just like on a phpbb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12956458
>prevent stagnation
To prevent stagnation you need topics and users, and 90% of both are gone.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been an entire day an a meta thread on /jp/ only has 160 replies. The prognosis isn't good.

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>>12956509
Everything people had to say has been said, and a hundred times before to boot.

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>>12956497
Yes I agree, and I was one of the people that saw it coming back in 2011 or 2012 when the majority praised the changes as a good thing that would chase off some kind of shitposter conspiracy.

If I look at the catalog now it looks like an improvement from a few months ago because I can only find about 50 permitted shitposter general threads. Add on all the other generals then there are only a few legitimate threads left anymore.

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>>12956542
It really is just a battle of "I told you so" and "wait, we can save it if we kill it some more!" going on here.

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>>12956549
Removing the constraints that drove people away to begin with surely will kill it some more.
You should stop this underhanded faux agreement you have going and just admit that you prefer it as it is instead of trying to placate the person you're replying to.

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/jp/ - 2d/nijiura

Don't use the word "random" because that word attracts the kiddos. Problem solved.

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>>12956564
It's not an underhanded faux agreement in any sense. You seem to have some kind of conspiracy in your mind because some of us see this as inevitable.

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>>12956458
>I can no longer go on /jp/ and find the latest stuff I never knew existed getting talked about by people who know what is up
This surmises my thoughts very well. When the board's accepted topics became "clarified", the sharing and discussion of this type of stuff was effectively prevented. >>12952417 raised a point about an excellent topic that would have generated interesting discussion and analysis were this 2011. There's no comparable alternative to that environment.

As gay as it may sound, /jp/ was once a glorious mecca. Witnessing its systematic lobotomization has been a saddening and perplexing affair. In the wake of all the bullshit lies a wasteland dotted with dull, barefaced social media advertising campaigns and assorted nothingness - a grotesque parody of the communities /jp/ cheerfully mocked in days of yore. The centerpiece dominating it all being the featureless, boring citadel housing an utterly deluded staff that derive pleasure from immediately suffocating anything that could potentially cause joy or interest.

/jp/ has faces an obvious oblivion if it doesn't change its purpose as a board. The rigid set of topics that were decided by some faceless consensus nearly half a decade ago have clearly been exhausted. It's time to change things up.

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>>12956564
>Yes I agree, and I was one of the people that saw it coming back in 2011 or 2012 when the majority praised the changes as a good thing that would chase off some kind of shitposter conspiracy.
Literally the only thing that was needed in 2011 and 2012 was to kick out the people who spend all day coming up with new ways to shit on /jp/. The only thing rules do is help people who intend to follow the rules - and barring a few autistic anime spamming retards, that was not the problem with /jp/. The problem was the people who simply did not give a shit.

>>12956564
>Removing the constraints that drove people away to begin
Most of these people that were driven away had no actual /jp/ interests. The ones who did were driven away long before that.

For example, look at some topics that haven't been, and never have been sanctioned by the mods - Touhou and VNs. Where are all the translators? The people who know doujin circles inside and out? The people who are connected to the scene? None of these people ever ate a ban for doing what they did, yet they left anyway, probably because they didn't feel like swimming in a sea of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

There's a shitposter conspiracy and our greatest allies, the janitors, are doing their best to purge shitposter filth from the board. We should start donating to these mods because they work so hard and do so much to make /jp/ a better place. Thank you for your hard work, janitors and mods. With all your dedication, I'm sure one day /jp/ will be an on-topic utopia of goodposters!

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>>12956670
>Where are all the translators? The people who know doujin circles inside and out? The people who are connected to the scene? None of these people ever ate a ban for doing what they did
It might surprise you but most people have more than one interest and post more than one thing. If a community is generally unwelcoming then they're not going to stick around just because some autistic manchildren want them to keep contributing to doujinshi threads or VN translations. They're going to go and do that somewhere else where they can take it easy. Oh but /jp/ didn't think about that one, did they? Because they're just too autistic and fixated on their conspiracy theories. By the way, you can see the drop off in posts was very sudden and happened around the same time.

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>>12956670
Make new rules and they adapt their shitposting to meet those rules. This is what really happened.

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MERGE BACK /jp/ INTO /a/. IT'S SO OBVIOUS.

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Won't happen, what you're asking for in their eyes is a containment board. But the addition of another board for the "containment" of a relatively small group of posters (in comparison to other boards) is not worth the work.

[Anonymous No.]

so /shitposter/ basically?

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>>12956725
That's /s4s/

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>>12956710
fuck no, that's a fate worse than death

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>>12956729
most of the content producing users have gone anyway, it's really just a crowd of non-producing circlejerkers that remain

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>>12956729
EXACTLY WHAT /jp/ DESERVES.

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>>12956730
i too want /jp/ to be deleted. there's no point for this board to exist because

a) the epic shitposter clique has won
b) all the goodposters have left
c) only filthy below average shitposters remain to recycle topics ad nauseam "a is the b idol" "c general"
d) the janitors are ste- exhausted fighting the epic shitposter clique

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>>12956703
>Because they're just too autistic and fixated on their conspiracy theories.
"/jp/ became shitty and people left" is not a conspiracy theory. On the face of it it's the most obvious explanation that exists. And it's flatly undeniable that for super duper quality post troopers, 2011-12 fucking sucked rancid horse dick.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ is dead
/jp/ remains dead
and we have killed him

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>>12956750
That's one explanation. People just got bored and left. That means there is nothing the moderation stuff has done or could have done to prevent it from happening. It's just a pure coincidence that the drops happened due to changes in janitors and moderation policy.

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>>12952096
You can already talk about a mountain of 2D/random related things on /a/

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>>12956789
Take a look at pages, say, 7500-7505. That's what the front page of /jp/ looked like all the fuckin time. The fact that people didn't want to put actual effort into contributing to a place like that isn't indicative of anything other than the fact that nobody likes rolling in shit all day, or else we'd all be posting in /b/. You can rail at the mods all you like but it's not them who made ten out of /jp/'s fifteen pages funposting garbage.

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>>12956804
Except that /jp/ got flooded with spam since it was made and people still stuck around and contributed and the amount of posts grew each year. That is until 3 or 4 years in suddenly they just had enough and they all left to leave /jp/ with dramatically less posts than ever before?

That sounds like an interesting theory and I wasn't aware we had all co-ordinated our efforts to stop posting much anymore just as the moderation stepped up to save the day.

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>>12956832
>Except that /jp/ got flooded with spam since it was made
Yes, but the front page of /jp/ was not entirely shit spam every single day since it was made. That starts in 2011-12ish. And it's when everybody fucks off.

>I wasn't aware we had all co-ordinated our efforts to stop posting much anymore just as the moderation stepped up to save the day.
What, you got a chart? The dropoff in posting when moderation steps up is mostly just shit-eating bloggers with no /jp/ interests not being able to post anymore; ie, all the retarded shit that warosu talks about every day.

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>>12956832
And here you use the decline of post number as an indicator of quality.

The reduction is mostly from the shitposters being restricted, of course moderation would affect the gross postcount.

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>>12956839
>That starts in 2011-12ish. And it's when everybody fucks off.
That's an outright lie or total ignorance. Things like Bawson, KoG, and Saten happened much earlier than that.

Posting dropped off instantly from almost 3 million a year to 1.5 million a year, and is currently at around 1 million a year.

>>12956841
Then you're implying that half the posters on /jp/ ever were shitposters and that current /jp/ is epitome of the perfect utopia you always wished for. Free of shitposting and only quality threads. They're not posts that got deleted, they're total posts that went down to lower numbers than even when /jp/ was first made.

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>>12956876
>Things like Bawson, KoG, and Saten happened much earlier than that.
You ever see five full pages of nothing but Bawson, KoG, and Saten? No. But you do see five full pages of shitposting once we lose the janitor.

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>>12956876
>They're not posts that got deleted, they're total posts that went down to lower numbers than even when /jp/ was first made.
You ever notice how we don't get five to ten pages of spam anymore? It's because we got enough moderation that they don't bother, and when they do, it's piss-weak. The days when you can spam the Comiket thread with several hundred posts before anyone gets around to dealing with it are behind us.

>Then you're implying that half the posters on /jp/ ever were shitposters
After 2012? Full half the posts are shitposts - of course, not half the users, because a shitposter makes many times more posts than somebody who doesn't spam retarded shit and blog about what he had for breakfast every single day for a year.

[Anonymous No.]

Retire /jp/, start a Niijura board with significantly expanded coverage compared to /jp/, relax the moderation compared to current /jp/ levels and ban generals, and see how things go.

Debating between then vs. now is pointless, 2012 really was 50%+ shitposting and current /jp/ is a bunch of lifeless generals; both are shit.

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>>12956882
>You ever see five full pages of nothing but Bawson, KoG, and Saten? No
Yes, actually /jp/ used to get spammed until almost all of the threads were pushed off page 15. It's like you don't even know what you're talking about, but that's not surprising at all.
>But you do see five full pages of shitposting once we lose the janitor.
Dude I see at least 50 shitposts right now, what drugs are you smoking?

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>>12956894
>Yes, actually /jp/ used to get spammed until almost all of the threads were pushed off page 15.
Yes, occasionally, by external raids, because the janitor checked in twice a day. Not every single fucking day by the same autistic shitters.

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>>12956898
>Not every single fucking day by the same autistic shitters.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>12956889
The shitpostng has literally embedded itself in to the board so that it no longer counts as spam. I can't say the same thing for actual content, who even uses /jp/ anymore to organize their Comiket downloads? Only losers that can't wake up and smell the coffee is who.

>After 2012? Full half the posts are shitposts - of course, not half the users
After that the damage was already done, so most of the people posting now are shit postings. Good to know.

>>12956898
>Threads like "X is Y" aren't shitposts because they have a 2D girl in the OP. :^)
Good to know thanks.

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>>12956908
>You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes. We got five pages of Bawson and Saten every single day from 2008-2010. How could I not see the truth.

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>>12956911
We did. The only difference is that shitposting is acceptable if it has a Touhou OP image now. The actual level of shitposting hasn't decreased much at all.

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>>12956909
>The shitpostng has literally embedded itself in to the board so that it no longer counts as spam.
I mean sure? If you want to say that /jp/ is just /s4s/ then you're right, except it's fucking retarded to say you can claim a board for shitposting simply by shitposting in it enough.

>>12956909
>Good to know thanks.
QUALITY THREADS were not great but at least they pretended to be on-topic as opposed to some great blog campaign.

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>>12956915
There's low-quality on-topic posts, and then there's just complete shit (wow, you posted a picture of a black man shitting himself for the five hundredth time, hilarious) aimed purely at disrupting the board.

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>>12956918
>QUALITY THREADS were not great but at least they pretended to be on-topic as opposed to some great blog campaign.
What blog campaign? /jp/ participated in blogs at the end of 2010 and did it for about half a year until they pretty much all closed down. That's hardly a groundbreaking monumental event that drove the bulk of the users away.

>I mean sure? If you want to say that /jp/ is just /s4s/ then you're right, except it's fucking retarded to say you can claim a board for shitposting simply by shitposting in it enough.
If that is what you want then I think you already succeeded. Apart from the generals there aren't many real threads on here and most of them only get token replies.

[Anonymous No.]

Of course you wont have shitposting when no one can post.
This is basically what was done to /jp/ post /q/ sticky.
Creativity went out of the window, daily recycle topic with the decline of 2hu, losing contents to both /vg/ and /a/ and gaining additional idol threads and 3d porn in exchange. /jp/ is deader than ever even with the increase of idol posting.
The /jp/ of today is totally different from the daily dose year of /jp/.

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>>12956927
That's exactly why on-topic is such an empty term. They will just change their OP to whatever becomes on-topic but you wont get the same kind of user content back that left as collateral damage. The only people that could be satisfied with this are autistic man children that want everything to align in the right order.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ is pretty distinguished among all boards in that when you look at the archive consistently half of the page is trashcans. Every day, any time of the day.
You can take this as evidence that a cabal of shitposters conspires to ruin everything or you might look at it and think the moderation is draconian and way out of touch but however you want to look at it stepping back it's clear that this board has some serious, deep seated issues to work out and I wonder how much longer the dancing around is going to continue.

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>>12956932
>What blog campaign?
Did you quit /jp/ in 2010 and come back in, like, 2014? Remember chubby.jpg threads twice a day every single fucking day? No? And those are only easy to single out because they came in form style - the rest was just random assorted blog-about-your-day type shit for people who were just here to talk about themselves.

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>>12956876
>They're not posts that got deleted, they're total posts that went down to lower numbers than even when /jp/ was first made.
Yes, I never implied moderators would delete 1.5m posts per year, I just implied the new set of rules made shitposters back off, reducing the postcount.

I also don't understand why you defend to loosen up the rules at the same time you seem to attack "funposters", if they're pretty much a sample of what you might expect from full liberty.

I agree though that putting /jp/-related games, animations and whatnot could benefit the board, though. That's the only change I'd make in /jp/, broaden the definition of otaku culture on ACTUAL topics, no random bullshit to make things even more retarded.

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>>12956947
I really don't see what you're trying to argue about. Are you saying that floor shitting blog posts never happened before 2010?

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>>12956957
I'm not him but it's not like defending a loosening of the rules means that he's advocating for total anarchy on /jp/,

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>>12956957
That is one version of it if you believe that there was a shitposter conspiracy and the fact that the content generating members of the board left for other coincidental reasons.

I'm sorry but that just requires too much mental acrobatics for me to get my head around.

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>>12956958
I'm saying that people did not generally fill up two thirds of the board with nothing but garbage. The sheer quantity of the bullshit is way higher in 11-12 than it is in, say, 08-09. I distinctly recall visiting pages 11-15 to bump any decent threads that might be there when we were getting raided at some point, like I usually do - for the first time there was not a single thread there that was not shit, spam, or blogging. Not even a "silly" on-topic thread to be had in the whole stack.

>>12956946
It means that the board is plagued by mentally ill shitposters and staffed by autistic people who hate them.

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>>12956969
I don't understand what you're talking about. The shitposting has remained the same or even grown in proportion to the other threads than ever before.

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>>12956979
>The shitposting has remained the same or even grown in proportion to the other threads than ever before.
Yes, if you count low-quality Touhou threads and general threads as shitposting because they're boring. Which most people don't.

>>12956967
There is no "conspiracy" (except when there is, such the few times when people discussed how to wipe off as many pages of /jp/ as they could with bot spam). There are simply a lot of retarded shits shitting up the board independently. Tokiko and Trevor did not "conspire" to shit up the board, and nobody is alleging a conspiracy of any sort. You're just being willfully retarded.

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>>12956989
The only people that don't count shitposting as shitposting if it has a Touhou OP are autistic and aren't capable of deciding how a community should develop. This is for a very simple reason that they get stuck in their old routines and that runs directly contradictory of adapting with the times.

>You're just being willfully retarded.
I could say the same for you. There is no conspiracy to suddenly stop posting and whatever policies have been adopted clearly didn't help the situation. Then you got exactly the board you wished for and should stop whining about it or asking for a new one.

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>>12957003
>The only people that don't count shitposting as shitposting if it has a Touhou OP are autistic and aren't capable of deciding how a community should develop.
You should make yourself janitor so you can enforce your views on the board.
>There is no conspiracy to suddenly stop posting
And I never alleged one. I said that people stopped contributing because /jp/ became shit. Nowhere was any coordination alleged.

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>>12957003
>>12957015
I'm not entirely sure what you two are disagreeing about when it comes to what should be done with /jp/, as in what concrete actions should be taken.

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>>12957015
People don't all stop at once because of shitposting. You're just blaming shitposting for everything and not once for anything else. I know for myself and some other people who stopped posting as much it wasn't because of shitposters.

>>12957020
That poster thinks shit posters are the sole blame for how /jp/ got the way it did.

Since the moderation did such an amazing job getting rid of what they hate that should mean the current board is perfect for them and they should stop whining.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only person who thought that some of the spam and the majority of the "shitposting" was actually pretty fucking brilliant? It's easy to dismiss the majority of it as meaningless/garbage, but there was a degree of subtlety that was usually there that I don't think the majority of people picked up on.

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>>12957035
Yes. They stopped over the course of two years.

>Since the moderation did such an amazing job getting rid of what they hate that should mean the current board is perfect for them and they should stop whining.
This is like wondering why China didn't magically become prosperous the instant Mao died. Damage is done. Recovery will be slow if it happens at all.

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>>12957045
Some of it was funny and pretty ironic but most of it is uninspired now. People just don't know how to take a joke and will sperg rage until they get their way.

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>>12957045
Sure, in the same way that monster girl general is actually a subtle and ironic masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.]

Shitposting is actually a meaningless term designed to add legitimacy to arbitrary and heaby-handed content moderation.

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>>12957057
>Shitposting is "knowingly contributing low quality, off-topic, or ill intentioned posts."

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>>12957048
No, they stopped abruptly. The first three years all the post counts were well over 2 million, the next three years all post counts were well under 2 million.

>This is like wondering why China didn't magically become prosperous the instant Mao died. Damage is done. Recovery will be slow if it happens at all.
See this is the point where you're absolutely delusional, except for the part that recovery probably wont happen.

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>>12957045
It could be amusing, and in limited quantities it indeed had a subtle charm, but too much is too much.

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>>12957061
You're trying to draw a detailed conclusion with far too few data points. You'd need at least monthly statistics to begin to speculate about chains of causation here.

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>>12957067
No I'm not. I am accusing you of doing exactly that. Your ideas about how shitposting caused a mass evacuation is a ludicrous conspiracy theory if anything.

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>>12957061
>The first three years all the post counts were well over 2 million, the next three years all post counts were well under 2 million.
The other half of that is probably the movement of around a third of /jp/'s content to /vg/ (of the English-translated VN community, Rance, Illusion games, etc) and /a/'s recovery of TYPE-MOON.

>See this is the point where you're absolutely delusional, except for the part that recovery probably wont happen.
Which was... the entirety of the point you quoted?

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>>12957077
First, that's not me, and second, nowhere, at any point in time, has anybody mentioned a conspiracy other than yourself. Nothing I have said implied indicates or implies that any conspiring happened. I don't know if you keep repeating that word because it's good PR or because you're just genuinely retarded.

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>>12957077
>how shitposting caused a mass evacuation
Shitposting literally prompted the creation of the board. It has always been a cornerstone of the community.

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>>12957079
>The other half of that is probably the movement of around a third of /jp/'s content to /vg/ (of the English-translated VN community, Rance, Illusion games, etc) and /a/'s recovery of TYPE-MOON.
As in being stricter about which topics go where.

>>12957081
You're the retard. Nobody needs to agree that it's a conspiracy theory when it obviously is. Shit posting does not affect a board in the way you austics think it does. You can scream, whine, complain all day and spam threads until the moderation steps up. Now you're all whining about the current state of /jp/ and guess what? You're still blaming shit posters!

It's ridiculous beyond being simply retarded.

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>>12957045
I take the homunity posters of yesteryear rather than the current boring boring /jp/.
/jp/ is so orderly right now that it is just a glorified forum. Coincidence that most dont even give a fuck about comiket anymore even with more order and proper OP post?
A lot of /jp/ charm are people making joke of contentless topicless stuff of a random picture.
It is already proven that excessive moderation is not working right now looking at the state of board.

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>>12957086
I'm not saying it hasn't. In fact I'm saying that shit posting did not chase people away, the other posters are saying that it did.

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>>12957089
>Nobody needs to agree that it's a conspiracy theory when it obviously is.
Nothing I have said implied indicates or implies that any conspiring happened.

I guess you're just genuinely retarded.

>>12957089
>As in being stricter about which topics go where.
Those were never explicitly moved off /jp/. The threads just stopped being made.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to want a compromise between the years of true, unparalleled, barely moderated shitposting that were 2011-2012 and the overly-moderated, excessively-narrow, tedious, boring, stale /jp/ that we have now.

I'm not sure what reason anybody has to disagree with this.

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>>12957099
Okay I get it, well you're going to be pedantic over words. There is no causal relationship between people leaving /jp/ and the amount of shitposting on /jp/

You can try and worm your way out of the truth as much as you like but you wont change the facts. Renaming the board to /b2/ or /a2/ or /nijura/ or /2D/ or /jp/ - Random is ever going to improve the situation because you just fundamentally don't understand the problem.

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>>12957108
>well you're going to be pedantic over words
God forbid people say what they mean.

>There is no causal relationship between people leaving /jp/ and the amount of shitposting on /jp/
Yeah, and I'm the queen of England.

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>>12957108
Renaming the board would be a nice way to mark a change in both how the board will be moderated and the scope/intensity of said moderation. Like I said, that seems pretty reasonable to me; i don't really see a reason NOT to do it, and everyone seems to agree that loosening current moderation is a good idea.

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>>12957111
>God forbid people say what they mean.
God forbid we can have a conversation that isn't derailed by your Asperger's Syndrome.

>Yeah, and I'm the queen of England.
And that is why you fundamentally don't understand how wrong you are, and probably how wrong you have always been. Some of us could see this coming as soon as things changed years ago. Others like yourself celebrated completely ignorant of what they had done.

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>>12957122
>God forbid we can have a conversation that isn't derailed by your Asperger's Syndrome.
Not everybody will just let you spout untrue bullshit and get away with it; it's very tragic, I know.

>And that is why you fundamentally don't understand how wrong you are, and probably how wrong you have always been. Some of us could see this coming as soon as things changed years ago. Others like yourself celebrated completely ignorant of what they had done.
I opposed the rules changes that were proposed in /q/. I'm just not a fucking retard about what the problem with the board was at the time.

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>>12957117
I don't think everyone agrees about the moderation or what should be allowed in the board. You're better off axing /jp/ entirely if you want a new board but you will have no guarantee that it will ever get used much. Some are crying out for a 2D only board or a Touhou only board and are too far into their koolaid they can't begin to comprehend why that will never work.

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>>12957125
>Not everybody will just let you spout untrue bullshit and get away with it; it's very tragic, I know.
But you think that you can do that without quantifying anything at all. Don't be a retard and point fingers.

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>>12957127
>Some are crying out for a 2D only board or a Touhou only board and are too far into their koolaid they can't begin to comprehend why that will never work.
Well obviously RESTRICTING the scope even more or splitting up /jp/ would just be the final nail in the coffin.

Rename it Japan/General and wipe the board and start back at post 1. That's all I'm suggesting along with said moderation changes.

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>>12957130
Sorry but you can't turn back time either.

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>>12957129
>But you think that you can do that without quantifying anything at all. Don't be a retard and point fingers.
Not any less than you have. Well, you counted up the numbers, but your explanation of the cause is as unbacked as mine.

You claimed I've been saying things I didn't. It's retarded. I'm calling you a retard for it.

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>>12957132
You have implied things and you're just too pedantic to want to admit how you did infact suggest that somehow one or two shitposters chased off literally hundreds if not thousands of posters in about a year or less.

It doesn't make sense and myself and others have already pointed out how you don't know what you're talking about. There has been spamming and shitposting on /jp/ since day zero and that has not gotten any better after the changes, but what changes could these have been if not your glorious shitposting explanation?

I'll leave that to your imagination although I doubt you will ever really solve the puzzle because the solution is far too simple for your esteemed notice.

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>>12957099
Lets take Type moon and Fate as an example. Over the year it became a full blown multimedia franchise spanning across multiple medium.
Thanks to some draconian rule, you can only talk about FSN the smut game released 10years ago.
Nobody ever thought why in a board that got renamed to otaku culture can't talk about CCC, UBW or F/Z that were adapted.
Yet on the same site elsewhere, people can freely talk about all of them with the addition of the smut eroge too.

>>12957127
>>12957130
How does opening up the board kill something that is already dead? You are bringing in more contents and posters.

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>>12957145
>How does opening up the board kill something that is already dead? You are bringing in more contents and posters.
I... don't disagree with you? I'm not sure what your point is, that's exactly what I'm saying and supporting.

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>>12957143
>You have implied things and you're just too pedantic to want to admit how you did infact suggest that somehow one or two shitposters chased off literally hundreds if not thousands of posters in about a year or less.
I only named Trevor and Tokiko because they're some of the few that posted with names. There were far more than a few people involved; retarded attention whores don't feed themselves.

>It doesn't make sense and myself and others have already pointed out how you don't know what you're talking about.
What you've been doing is making claims that bear no resemblance to reality and calling me a retard without further explanation.

.>There has been spamming and shitposting on /jp/ since day zero and that has not gotten any better after the changes, but what changes could these have been if not your glorious shitposting explanation?
More shitposting. You're big on quantity, surely you can tell the difference between a quarter and three quarters shitposting.

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>>12957145
If you further restrict the content allowed on the board you displace posters as well as limit new posters. You will have less than a million posters per year. If you wipe the current board then how is that any different than when a mod or janitor throw a tantrum? People will just sink back in to their old habits.

>>12957152
Stop all this back peddling bullshit you're just some idiot with an agenda and vendetta against shitposters.

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jaypee jaypee~

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>>12957157
>Stop all this back peddling bullshit you're just some idiot with an agenda and vendetta against shitposters.
You're a retard with a vendetta against the staff. If all you want is /jp/ to be a shitposting wasteland there are already spinoffs that do so perfectly, not an evil janitor in sight and all the fun posting you could ever want.

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>>12957157
>2d/random
>restrict
The fuck. Go take a look at futaba and tell me their topics aren't superior to the rubbish we have right now. We are essentially having nijiura+2hu.

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>>12957167
we're all waiting for you at ota-ch

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>>12957167
No I'm not. You're just projecting now. I'm a realist that can see what happened, and none of it is surprising or requires a vague complicated explanation about how Tokiko and Trevor stood as 2 against millions.

>>12957169
Calling the board nijura wont improve the topics and only risks to limit it down more. Please try to understand.

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>>12957179
Then just return the name back to Japan/General!

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>>12957189
Agreed but it wont change much since the damage is done. The fact is /jp/ has hemorrhaged users, not just lost a few. It has about half as many posts now than it did on its first year.

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>>12957179
>I'm a realist that can see what happened, and none of it is surprising or requires a vague complicated explanation about how Tokiko and Trevor stood as 2 against millions.
It's about as straightforward as it gets: an avalanche of new shitty posters finds their way to /jp/, which recently lost most of it's moderation, it goes to shit and a lot of the old posters leave. I'd assume you're just pretending to be retarded because this can't possibly seem vague or complicated to you.

Yes, there was always funposting in /jp/, but most of it maintained a veneer of topicality, spam took up a smaller proportion of the board, and people didn't use the front page to wage war on the staff for sixteen hours a day. Next you'll tell me that /ghost/ is also full of the same people it's always been, acting in the same ways.

But then again, you genuinely believe that there's no "no causal relationship between people leaving /jp/ and the amount of shitposting on /jp/" which is just so astoundingly stupid it's a wonder you manage to believe your own bullshit.

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>>12957197
Stopped right at the start. You go ahead and make some huge leaps in logic and make some assumptions that are totally baseless. Provide metrics, oh wait you can't, because /jp/ was only steadily increasing in traffic before it completely tanked.

You're talking out of your ass.

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>>12957197
So I guess this is the answer to the OP not so subtly veiled?

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>>12957204
>Provide metrics, oh wait you can't, because /jp/ was only steadily increasing in traffic before it completely tanked.
Not all traffic is the same. If you think the quality of a board can be measured by a single number you must think /b/ is the greatest of all boards. In 2011-12 the quantity of utterly retarded shit spam goes up and the quantity of "on-topic" shit goes down. Yeah, that's not the kind of thing that can be reflected in a single number. But anyone who continued posting throughout that whole era knows exactly what I'm talking about (don't know what memory hole you fell into on the way).

The best argument against changing anything in /jp/ is noting the fact that the people who want to change it are universally retarded.

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>>12957215
Okay so you're backpeddaling because you have nothing to substantiate your claims except for some idiotic idea that a handful of people ruined an entire board by posting jokes. Thanks for the info.

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>>12957222
>Okay so you're backpeddaling because you have nothing to substantiate your claims except for some idiotic idea that a handful of people ruined an entire board by posting jokes.
I haven't backpedaled off shit. Nobody did a statistical study on the proportion of shit spam in /jp/ in 2011-12 so I obviously can't provide you one; it's something that anybody who was here during that time could see with their own eyes.

Which, thankfully, includes enough of the staff running the place that none of them will ever be taken in by your idiocy. Anyone who was here during that time will see your bullshit for what it is; anybody who is new and retarded enough to believe you - well, more fool them.

Good luck trying to raise an army of /jp/sies new and retarded enough to believe your shit. Maybe one day you'll hvae enough to conduct a revolution in /jp/. I wouldn't hold my breath.

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>>12957231
Well you can't provide anything but that doesn't stop you trying to weigh in and explain it all just to fit your paranoia.

>Good luck trying to raise an army of /jp/sies new and retarded enough to believe your shit. Maybe one day you'll hvae enough to conduct a revolution in /jp/. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Nobody thinks that or is even suggesting anything remotely like that, but it really is telling that you honestly think that's what's going on here. It really speaks of what a paranoid, humorless and pedantic autist you are. People like you are why the board got the way it did.

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>>12957252
>that doesn't stop you trying to weigh in and explain it all
I gave you some examples. You ignored them. I'm not interested in continuing this any longer since at this point you're just deflecting; as I've said, anyone who was here for that already knows just exactly how full of shit you are.

>There is no causal relationship between people leaving /jp/ and the amount of shitposting on /jp/
It speaks for itself, really.

>it really is telling that you honestly think that's what's going on here.
Well, you're either malicious or retarded, so the alternative conclusion is that you're just a complete fucking retard who doesn't know what he's talking about by virtue of simply not having been here for most of it, but hey, I wouldn't want to call you a liar or anything.

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>>12957261
This is so frustrating. You are so overinvested in the past two years that you aren't even listening. Can you see that? Please try to step back for a moment. Do you seriously think that everyone else discontent with the condition of /jp/ in this thread is a "retarded or malicious shitposter from warosu and ota"?

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How can you people even argue so in depth about this bullshit after having read the logs? The only people left on the team are there due to sheer inertia and don't really give a fuck about anything remotely /jp/ related other than mainstream jap video games and seasonal anime, the hardest of the hardcore can recognize Cirno and Chen because they get spammed on /a/ a lot. You're not going to get any meaningful reform or change simply because no one gives a fuck anymore, especially with moot gone.

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Otaku culture is a pretty good name already. We just need mods and janitors to NOT try to define what that means by themselves and keep it hidden away from the board and make arbitrary decisions to delete things seemingly at random, because it's likely that some users will disagree. I think they should leave what defines otaku culture to the board users and just delete illegal threads and spam.

If there IS a shitposting clique, their repetitive posts can be considered spam so they'll still be deleted. But the witch hunt on individual /jp/ users checking if they belong to a shitposting clique should no longer be a big deal - "my evader". You have to agree that even in the rules for /jp/ posted in the rules section, a lot of those sanctioned topics DO belong in other boards. So why are they allowed here and not others?

Best to just let users decide. If there's an otaku following on a topic, it should be allowed. So to answer one age old shitpost here on /jp/, "is dark souls otaku culture", it could be. If you're discussing game mechanics, boss fights, pvp or news relating to the game, it probably belongs on /v/ or /vg/. If you're talking about wanting to fuck the monsters in dark souls and/or turning them into cute girls, it's probably otaku culture. This doesn't mean dark souls needs to have its own thread up 100% of the time, it means that if people use or take dark souls monsters for a moe anthropomorphism thread, it shouldn't be disallowed because it's "/v/-video game".

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>>12957261
Grumpy old hasbeen. At least those other boards you hate so much actually post some relevant content for 2015. Enjoy the same old Touhou shit you've had for the last 5 years, while blaming shitposters for all your woes.

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It's actually really distressing to me that the staff hate ota so intently because ota "anime s4s" is frankly exactly the kind of place that 4chan was like 10 years ago.
The people in charge and the users these days seem to think this site got to be where it is by being a web forum with pictures rather than a complete reactionary opposite to the typical forum "egos & moderator dicksucking" atmosphere.

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Thanks to AoC, /jp/ is becoming bun 2.0. Why anyone is complaining is befuddled when they're getting exactly what they wanted.

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>>12957675
>/jp/ is becoming bun 2.0
It isn't.

>when they're getting exactly what they wanted
As has already been clarified, there was never consensus. Further, there's no way any reactionary opinion formed during the climax of the spam would advocate or envision the board's present state. "More active moderation to combat people spamming the board" doesn't equate to arbitrary deletions at the hands of someone who will delete anything on whim.

The only meaningful response I've yet to see from the pro-moderation crowd appears to consistently be either "you actually want this" or "because of my magical thinking /jp/ will be bad if we can make posts without them being deleted again".

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>>12957914
A number of people predicted and spelled out the current state of /jp/ around 3 years ago.

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>>12957922
I was one of those people and have been complaining since late 2011. But I really should set this all aside because individuals such as >>12957675 have been generous enough to inform me that I actually wanted to be deprived of all posting freedoms. Setting aside reason and every outrageous experience I've had with this board for the past 4 years is the right thing to do. You just have to accept that this is the best /jp/ will ever be and we should let the Janitors have absolute control over content because they know what's good posts and what's not good posts.