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3088992 No.3088992 [Reply] [Original]

So when does Umineko get good?

>> No.3089007

>>3088992
When you start reading the visual novel.

>> No.3089012

>>3088992
Wow, Jupiter looks so fucking adorable in that pic.

As for your question The Shonen Magic fight in episode 3

>> No.3089013

First twilight of the first episode.

>> No.3089015

>>3088992
It is only good in the visual novel.
And shit starts to happen when the first murder mystery shit happens.
Not that it is any less good before that.

>> No.3089018

Am I the only one who thought that the scene in Episode 1 where all the siblings are having their bitchfight over money was one of the best scenes in Umineko?

>> No.3089023

The first episode in the visual novel actually scared the shit out of me.

The anime simply cannot do the series justice.

>> No.3089031

Umineko has yet to blow me away.
I hope the answer arcs turn it into fuckwin like in Higurashi.

>> No.3089097

>>3089018
BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW

>> No.3089100

>>3089097
MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

>> No.3089220

If you're not interested by the first twilight, then maybe it's not for you.

>> No.3089229

>>3089097
>>3089100
In the Kaiji narrator's voice.

Hell yes.

>> No.3089258

Why does everyone say that it has such a slow pace? I was enthralled all the way through, you ADD ridden milksops.

>> No.3089272

>>3089229
Umineko should've just been one long chess match between Beato and Battler with the Kaiji narrator's voice.

~zawa~zawa~zawa

>> No.3089279

>>3089258
To be fair, the beginning was a bit slow. It picks up a lot around the time of the letter.

>> No.3089291

>>3089018
I remember some anon saying the same thing last year when we got the second partial patch for Ep1. Good times

>> No.3089295

>>3089279
Ever heard of character development?

>> No.3089297

>>3089291
Meant to quote these two
>>3089097
>>3089100

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>>3089229
I'm lonely Onii-chan!!

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>>3089323

>> No.3089344
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>>3089338

>> No.3089346

>>3089258
It's more like after the game starts picking up, the first half seems slow by comparison.

>> No.3089356

>>3089346
Or during the hype most of the peoples who were into other shounen shows like F/SN were expecting something with more action

>> No.3089359

Umineko really does read like a novel, so it's not surprising that there's pages and pages of character development before MURDER MURDER MURDER.

>> No.3089841

Beginning of Ep1 is shit, halfway into ep1 through ep2 is engaging, ep3 and on is when it gets fuckwin.

>> No.3089863

Visual novel: First twilight of EP1.
Anime: Maybe episode 8?

>> No.3089868

>>3089841
The fact you don't like character developpement doesn't mean it's shit, you know that right?

>> No.3089870

>>3089841
I liked the beginning of epi1. Everyone was like a big happy family and it made me feel warm inside, then the conference happened and the bloodthirst came out, and even that made me happy because I began to feel anticipation towards the inevitable murders.

>> No.3089878

Why would OP ask for something which only results in opinion based answers?

>> No.3089884

>>3089359
It doesn't read like a novel at all, maybe a fanfiction at most.
A good novel wouldn't have so much repetitive bullshit and spoonfeeded shit.

>> No.3089904

>>3089884
lol Lord of the Rings
lol Harry Potter

>> No.3089906

>>3089870
>>3089868
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who liked the beginning of Ep1

>> No.3089920

>>3089868
Character development is great. The beginning of Ep1 had four fucking hours of the adults all acting basically the same and prancing around babbling about tea and shit. I didn't give a fuck about any of them. Maria, Battler, and Natsuhi were the only characters who made an impression in the first arc.

>> No.3089924

>>3089868
anything i dont like is shit and you should feel bad for liking shit, you shit liking shit shit why dont you go marry it you shit

>> No.3089925

Episode 1 = good
Episode 2 = awesome
Episode 3 = lol, plotwist; lol, plotholes; lol powerlevels
Episode 4 = ZZZzzz

>> No.3089946

>>3089920
Were you able to understand what they were talking about?

>> No.3089953

>>3089904
Even Harry Potter is superior to Umineko in term of writing, that's to say something.
And "character development" doesn't imply slow pace, dullness, repetitive craps or other shits like this.
Slow pace isn't necessarily bad, but when this pace come from the fact that the author has to spell everything to the reader, it is.

Honestly the biggest problem of Umineko for me, except for the atrocious pacing and lack of editing, is the fact that it doesn't have any subtlety at all.
And subtle character development is always much better than IN YOUR FACE character development.

>> No.3089962

>>3089953
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.3089973

>>3089953
Well, for some people (>>3089920) it seems that even the in-your-face writing isn't enough to help them understand. After all, they weren't babbling about tea, they were poking and prodding each other using words. It was quite obvious; the narrator even went so far as to hint at it so blatantly that I thought the game was babying me as if I were an idiot that wouldn't get it otherwise.

>> No.3090002

>>3089925

I fucking love powerlevels

>> No.3090022

>>3089973
Except at that point in the story you are given absolutely no reason to care about any of the people doing the prodding or why they're doing it, the characters all come across as generic and flat. It's the job of the opening the hook a reader and make them invested enough to pay attention to what's happening. Things like Eva teasing Rudolf and Battler come off as completely phoned in and generic, copypastad from every other friendly flirty aunt in existence. Even with four hours of blahblahblahdy fucking blah, you could easily sum up all of the characterization of all the family members in the intro with one fucking sentence.

The beginning of Ep2 was slow and centered around character development as well, but it was infinitely more tolerable because by that point I actually had been given a reason to bother paying attention.

>> No.3090034

>>3090002
Virgilia vs Beatrice was like a stupid Yu-Gi-Oh fight, but i have to admit that Rudolf and Kyrie were pretty awesome.

>> No.3090038

>>3090022

Reason why the animation doesn't take 12 episodes to get to the juicy parts.

>> No.3090039

>>3090022
but but but then you'll have faggots say it's too fast pace....like the anime.

>> No.3090042

>>3090038

Their brains?

>> No.3090044

>>3090022
BTW you read the Japanese original or the English translation?

>> No.3090045

Is ep 4 that bad?

>> No.3090052

>>3090045

Its not bad but its looooooooong. If you like Ange and Maria its ok but like 70% of the chapter is build up to a huge finish

>> No.3090054

>>3090034
I did see the part on youtube for rudolf and kyrie fighting against the stakes

it was made of awesome and Gar rudolf is gar!

and probably the only battle you see to be worthy of! I agreed.

>> No.3090057

>>3090045
The first half is pretty shitty with all the Ange, but the second half makes up for it.

>> No.3090059

>>3090052
The 1/3 patch covered almost all the Ange and Maria back story. So only 33% of it is slow. The rest of the episode is great.

>> No.3090070

>>3090054
10/10
I'm still raging

>> No.3090098

>>3090054
>>3090034
That's not George VS Gaap, Jessica VS Ronove and Krauss, Kyrie, Kanon, Shanon and Nanjo getting out of the prison.

>> No.3090107

>>3090098
>>George VS Gaap, Jessica VS Ronove
Stupid shit.
Rudolf and Kyrie fight was the only good one in the games.

>> No.3090119

>>3089953
>it doesn't have any subtlety at all

The problem is that despite the lack of subtlety, people STILL don't get it. Imagine how bad the Umineko fanbase would be without being spoonfed.

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>>3090057
>The first half is pretty shitty with all the Ange

Wow, so there really are people like that.

Man, there are a lot of shonens that are a lot better than Umineko in terms of magical battles, you should check them.

>> No.3090121

>>3090107
I thought the general consensus for the best fight was Virgilia vs Beato danmaku fight.

That fight is on the level of UBW. Lets hope DEEN dont fuck it up.

>> No.3090127

Poor Goat-kun. He left his little sister alone and couldn't marry his childhood friend at his home land.

>> No.3090138

>>3090121
Consensus are for faggots.
And Beato and Virgilia was shitty and overdone, full of LET'S PULL SOME SHIT OUT OF MY ASS, ME TOO, ME TOO, except it didn't have any intensity.

Though to compare it with the fights in FSN is interesting since they are also pretty bad there.

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>>3090127
He did enjoy his time, though.

>> No.3090149

>>3090120
I will be very surprised if anyone does NOT find the Ange's school life to be boring.

>> No.3090151

>>3090120
So you actually enjoyed that shit?

>> No.3090154

>>3090119
Catering for the most retarded denominator isn't a fucking good thing.
If everything wasn't as spoonfed, it could be less popular with retards, but who the fuck care about them?
At least we would have less retarded threads.

>> No.3090155

>>3090138
Except they are for the most part anything alike.
Even if they were both shit, they are too different.

>> No.3090159

never

>> No.3090168

itt: if people don't like what i like, they have ADD

>> No.3090172

>>3090149
Ange suffering is part of the storyline. That is why it is so baww worthy toward the end when she became mincemeat.

It also give us lots of hint on how magic is not real and useless in real life.

>> No.3090183

>>3090172
Everyone got that, yes we got that they tried to make Ange likable to make the end more touching.
Yeah we got the whole thing with magic.
Doesn't change the fact that it was fucking boring.

It's one thing to have a good "idea", it's another to execute it well.

>> No.3090199

So, it's safe to assume that Amakusa shot everyone while Ange was having dellusions about the stakes?

>> No.3090208

>>3090183
I like to ask one thing.
How fast do you guys read? I finish it in 1night for the prepatch and that part isn't boring at all. The length is just right when you get into the boat scene.

>> No.3090210

>>3090199
It's me, I'm the one who shot Kasumi's black suits.

>> No.3090212

I for one adored Ange's school life scenarios. It was painful, and her loneliness was palpable. Then again, I'm an absolute sucker for sob stories.

Knowing that Ange didn't even have enough imagination to create her own imaginary friends, and instead sponged off Maria's made it even worse.

>> No.3090225

>>3090199
That's right, he sniped everyone, then Ange killed herself.

>> No.3090242

>hurr ange is delusional
>magic doesn't exist xD
You all as bad as Battler. Your only evidence you people can use is the red text, yet that red text comes from the mouth of the witch; you can't even trust her! This is no math problem where you can simply deduce that one person is the culprit and x, y, and z are accomplices. You must be more open minded than that.

>> No.3090273

After i read this Thread 2 times i got the impression that there aer 2 people, probably from /a/ and underaged because of the way they write, didn't like Umineko because there is not enough fighting and powerlevel. Umineko is mainly reading and even more reading.
I just don't know why you bother to read it if you don't like character build up and introductions, let's face it, this is just nothing for people like you. Instead you go on and on how everything is shit and how much you don't like it.

>> No.3090278

What made me sad in Ange's story, that in the end, when she finally was able to accept everything and find happiness she just died. I don't want Ryukishi07 to resurrect her, it had a great "wasted potential" feeling

>> No.3090289

>>3090278
Her value as a piece is gone.
The next time we see her will be Battler returning and hugging the 6years old Ange. ;_;

>> No.3090295

>>3090242
Anything except that which is witnessed by the chess piece Battler is possibly a metaphor for what actually happened. This was explained by Virgillia. People perceive reality in different ways as revealed by Ange.

Technically, by this explanation, no one is ever wrong in the way they see the world.

>> No.3090300

>>3090289
She will probably return at least once more, we are clueless about a bunch of things from 1998

>> No.3090302

>>3090273
Honestly you are the one who sound like the deluded faggot who never read a book in his life.
That's pretty much the only reason I see that could make you such an apologist faggot.

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>>3090289
Just the thought is enough to make me tear up

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>>3090307
;_;

>> No.3090380

>>3090302
lol no, you sound like a faggot who never read a book. I can imagine you "damn so many pages full of nothing, blahblahblah fucking boring, hopefully some fighting coming up soon or i will go and complain on the internet"
But hey, i wouldn't go so far as to say you read a book.

>> No.3090483

>>3090302
Why am i not surprised. Trying to reason with someone who can only insult. You already said it a few times already that everything is fucking boring and too long for you and not with enough fights. Why are you angry now that i pointed it out for you?
Umineko is nothing for you, face it and go watch some brain out fighting anime, believe me, you will be happier with that.

You should get a trip, annoying and angry people like you are made for that. Just look at Arc Tripfag, he is what you are.

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3090490

Ryuukishi has said he is aiming to make Umineko a dreadfully speedy story.
But it doesn't mean murders happen all the time. It means all scenes are necessary for the mysteries and speculating about them.

Basically, Umineko has been tuned for the people who loves to speculate.
For example, Ange's part was a chunk of big hint, so I was so excited while reading it. At the same time I think it might be boring for those who aren't interested in thinking the mystery at all.

Sometimes I find people who try to calculate the "pace" by the frequency of bloody scenes.
I think they are so stupid. Umineko tells us its story by using every character and taste. The pace of the story can't be calculated by only particular element.
If you can't enjoy every character and taste, you won't fit Umineko.

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>>3090302

>> No.3090520

>>3090380
>>3090483
That's what I mean with you being an apologist faggot.
The problem doesn't come from the fact that the game is full of build up, exposition, etc...
The problem come from the fucking execution, nothing more nothing else.

A story about the every days life of a fucking Fly could be made interesting by a good writer, a story full of fights and 'twist" could be utterly boring in the end of a bad writer.

But continue with your pathetic ad hominen shit.

>> No.3090521

>>3090490
Translation: Learn to really like Maria and Rosa because they're going to be stealing the spotlight a lot from now on.

>> No.3090529

>>3090199
So why'd he let her crazy aunt shoot her, then?

>> No.3090532

Umineko's art = COMPLETE FAIL

>> No.3090533

>>3090529
He didn't. He's the one who shot Ange.

>> No.3090546

>>3090529
Okonogi is free to inherit the Ushiromiya wealth with the Sumadera and Ange out of the way.

>> No.3090555

>>3090533
Yeah, we can't forget he's working for Okonogi.

>> No.3090563

>>3090520
You are nothing but a whiny faggot, all i can hear from your posts is bawwww bawwww.
All you can do is complain and even more complain, the internet must be a great place for you, you can whine and complain all you want without even giving a reason.

>> No.3090570

>>3090533
When did her death happen, exactly?

>> No.3090591

>>3090532
<======/a/ or /v/ we already know

>> No.3090597

>>3090563
I just dislike idiots like you who dismiss anyone that doesn't think the fucking same as you as a shonen fag with ADHD, especially when it's apparent that you are only a retard.
That's why I was so insistent.

I don't care if you like it or not, but fucking get off your high horse.

>> No.3090598

For all we know, Eva could have even faked her death.

>> No.3090599

>>3089012
who's jupiter?

>> No.3090600

>>3090533
Did this at all actually happen? You're just speculating, right? Because i'm pretty sure it's not clearly stated.

>> No.3090612

>>3090599
Natsuhi of course.

>> No.3090615

>>3090570
All we know is that it occurred in 1998.

>> No.3090620

>especially when it's apparent that you are only a retard.

Right back at you, but serious, all i can hear is bawww from you again.

>> No.3090636

Wow, people think there was character development in the beginning of Episode 1? Most characters didn't receive any significant development until later episodes.

>> No.3090651

>>3090612
but why?

>> No.3090664

>>3090636
Natsuhi went through a lot. Also, nearly everyone's character was set up. Eva starts out as a kind but teasing Aunt, and then during the family conference it becomes clear she has a intensely bitchy side. Krauss's lack of self confidence comes up. Rosa shows both her meekness in front of her family and her love/hate relationship with Maria.

>> No.3090666

I like how neither of the two people trolling each other seems capable of writing properly.
Same person? Or just two idiots?

>> No.3090675

VN Episode 3 > 2 > 4 > 1

>> No.3090698

Episode 3.

>> No.3090699

>>3090615
Again, where is this verified? I can't execute her from the episode 4 tips menu, and there was no indication that she died. This is pretty confusing, since characters seem capable of crossing time and space at will. So even if she was killed in the game room, that doesn't necessarily mean she was killed in 1998, right?
Life in Umineko is so fluid the only way I can honestly trust life or death is through the TIPS.

>> No.3090714

>>3090698
3 was really the best out of the 4 mostly due to the ending and built up to it.

>> No.3090724

>>3090699
Wasn't Ange's death confirmed in the credits after the episode? I don't remember.

>> No.3090744

I don't know why people think Ange died on the island, she told the boat guy she was going to come back after all.

I always thought Ange left the island, met with Bernkastel a second time, jumped off the building again and actually died that time, turned into ANGE and proceded to save Battler at the end of Ep 3.

>> No.3090752

>>3090744
I, too, think Ange met Bernkastel twice in 1998.

>> No.3090769

>>3090744
she jumped off of the building TWICE? Why does everything involving Ange have to be so needlessly complex?

>> No.3090776

>>3090744
As crazy as it sounds, it could be possible.

lol time travellan

>> No.3090782

>>3088992
The moment you hit "install"

>> No.3090786

>>3090744
Don't you even read the tips? It's written, Ange was found dead on the island.

>> No.3090791

>>3090786
Right, I forgot about that.

>> No.3090802 [DELETED] 

>>3090664
I agree with you on Natsuhi. I almost mentioned her as the one exception. But there still isn't enough to character development justify the drawn out introduction.

>> No.3090821

>>3090664
I agree with you on Natsuhi. I almost mentioned her as the one exception. But there still isn't enough character development to justify the drawn out introduction.

God damn it I fail at post deletion.

>> No.3090859

>>3090786

I don't see that anywhere, can you point me in the right direction? All I see is stuff about witches

>> No.3090876

>>3090821
I guess I found it the characters entertaining enough that as long as they were bouncing off of each other I was fine with the beginning. Although, I enjoyed the adults a lot more than the kids, so I can see that portion wasn't that riveting. George and Jessica still haven't really interested me yet, to be honest.
On the other hand, horror is at its most effective when you care about the people getting murdered. There's a big payoff for all the playing around with the kids, which is that it actually matters when they and their parents die. I started reading Umineko knowing so little about it I wasn't even sure if there would be murders, so I wasn't really waiting for anything to start happening.

>> No.3090880

>>3090786
Yeah, same here. I was sure that her death would be mentioned, so when i couldn't find it I just assumed it meant she "survived" in some weird way.

>> No.3090904

>>3090821
That reminds me, who the fuck do you think she was actually talking to, if anyone?

>> No.3090918

>>3089953
You should just shoot yourself right now.

Umineko isn't perfect but for fuck's sake it's better than predictable, badly-written, overrated children's novels.

>> No.3090921

>>3090876
Umineko isn't horror.

>> No.3090946

>>3090921
What? Episode 1 isn't scary in any way? It's not trying to create a sensation of uncertainty and fear?
What detail are you quibbling with, exactly?

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>>3089953
Subtle character development = Natsuhi talking to Kinzo in VN Ep 1 and all the internal monologue that went with it.

Subtle character development = Maria in VN Ep 4. I went from hating her to crying for her.

Subtle character development = Beatrice in VN Ep 3.

>> No.3090963

>>3090951
You don't know what subtle mean, seriously.

>> No.3090971

>>3090963
I guess Harry Potter's brilliance is that the character development is so subtle you can't even see it, right?

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>>3090951
>>umineko
>>subtle

>> No.3090991

>>3090963
Please explain, with examples, what you mean by 'subtle character development'. If you're going to take anything away from Umineko, it should be that you need evidence to support an argument. Start talking in blue, please.

>> No.3091033

>>3090786
i cant find that in the tips
it only says that she died in 1998 in the credits

>> No.3091068

>>3090946
>What? Episode 1 isn't scary in any way?
Not really, no. It devotes much more time to the feeling of loss than anticipated murders. Furthermore, it's clear to the majority of people playing Episode 1 that the characters will be coming back in Episode 2. The uncertainty is there to create mystery, not fright.

>> No.3091083

Seriously, how can everyone like episode 3 more than the first two?
It's one of the most stupid and bad written things i've ever read.

>> No.3091091

>>3088992
It doesn't. Umineko is overrated shit.

>> No.3091097

>>3090991
Subtlety is simple in a story, you just need to limit the spoonfeeding to a minimum, some simple foreshadowing to explain the characters action later in a story for example.
Comparing Umineko to an actual novel would be unfair so let's compare it with some VNs.

Subtle characterization (at the level of a VN of course) would be Kouhei from YMK going from an apathetic young man to someone who actually care for someone else for example.
It's never spelled out loud in the game but you actually see it happen little by little.

Of course I'm not saying that YMK is better than Umineko, far from it, but that's one example, there are others.

Though the "spoonfeeding" feeling one get from Umineko come mainly from the fact that the text is pretty redundant, making it dull in the long run, if the script had a little more wit it would be much better

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>>3091083
It's because Beato's master trolling

>> No.3091111

>>3091101
Though it was pretty obvious considering they kept talking about the north wind and sun strategy

>> No.3091130

>>3091111
It was still good.

>> No.3091131

>>3091111
They talked about it once, and that was AFTER Beato was already beginning to show remorse for her actions.

>> No.3091133

I thought Umineko lacked subtlety in the first episode, but Ryukishi has improved a lot since then.

>> No.3091137

>>3091130
Didn't say it wasn't, I agree that episode 3 was the best so far.

>> No.3091154

The umineko character development lacks subtlety. I find it both shallow and pedantic.

>> No.3091156

>>3091101
If i wanted to see some master trolling i'd watch CG R2 but unfortunately i'm not a f/a/g and i actually wanted to read a decent story

>> No.3091186

>>3091154
Perhaps.

>> No.3091263

I thought that ep 1 was just there to get you introduced to the characters and the situation. It says in the beginning: "First, put yourself at ease. There is nothing too difficult to think about. Accept entirely, silently the events to happen. That is all that is expected of you."

>> No.3091276

>>3091097
I would agree, but I think mostly what you're talking about is that the author keeps on summing stuff up, and there's a lot of repetition. That's enough to be a flaw, and an annoying one. But on the other hand, the development feels believable. The characters have deep seated and complicated motivations. Even the really bad people are understandable. Character development does happen over time. Rosa changes a lot from episode 1 to episode 4, just as an example, although it's more that the viewer learns more about her rather than her character actually changes.

But that's the thing about Umineko: the narrative isn't linear and it doesn't follow a single character exclusively. So unlike other VNs or whatever, where a character might change and grow as a person over the course of the story, Umineko doesn't (and can't) do that because it's a two day time period. So the focus is exploring the characters as they are.

So I guess when I look at most of the characters, I know way more about them after episode 4 than when I started episode 1, and this didn't come all at once but was built up over time. I would call this well paced, which requires a certain amount of subtlety. I do see where you're coming from though.

>> No.3091281

>>3091263
True that.

Besides, most VNs start out slow anyway.

>> No.3091367

>>3091263
I can't stand being at ease. It makes me antsy.

>> No.3091376

>>3090974
Explain why those examples are wrong.

I think Natsuhi is still a prime example. She starts off as a snobby bitch, unreasonably harsh with poor Shannon and an annoying, pushy mother. She seems like an ice queen.

But it turns out she's under a ton of pressure to be the perfect wife and to mold the perfect child. If she doesn't, Krauss will be disappoint, Eva will emotionally torture her (well, she'll do that either way), and Kinzo might kick her out of the family.

It kind of excuses her bitchy behavior -- just like Rosa disciplining Maria, Natsuhi tries to rule Jessica's life with an iron fist so that Jessica will grow up to be responsible, successful, and worthy of succession.[/quote]

I didn't like Natsuhi until she was developed more, and then I started to care about her. A lot of this happens in Ep 1 but we get more on her, Krauss, etc. in Ep 2 and 3 as well.

>> No.3091400

>If i wanted to see some master trolling i'd watch CG R2 but unfortunately i'm not a f/a/g and i actually wanted to read a decent story

hahaha, oh wow. This Guy is a troll, nothing more.

>> No.3091427

>>3091376
It's not a question of these claims being wrong or not.
It's a question of them being subtle or not, not the same thing.

>> No.3091444

>>3091400
>If i wanted to see some master trolling i'd read 4chan
Fixed, is it any better now?

>> No.3091468

>>3091376
Man, i'm really hoping for more Natsuhi in the next charpter. She appears in the OP standing at the center of all those laughing faces, just like in the first opening.

>> No.3091500

>>3091427
No, in the end it all comes down to lol opinions. Nothing more or less.

>> No.3091542

>>3091444
Not really an improvement, took a turn for the worse. We all know 4chan = shit.

>> No.3092006

>>3091276
>Character development does happen over time. although it's more that the viewer learns more about her rather than her character actually changes.

That's what character development is.

Going from a stereotyped blank sheet of a character, to one with a complete back story and ideals/motivations to support the introduced personality.

Actual changes to a character would be something like Character growth rather than development, of which you're not going to see any for the piece characters in Umineko (that is, those who are oblivious to the situation they're in anyway).

>> No.3092023

Teaparty Ep2

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