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01:15:08 <GipFace> All right
01:15:12 <izmos> yeah creating a discussion thread linking the two games together would be the easiest way to decide it IMO
01:15:22 <GipFace> If you merge the ef entries now, we will guarantee release within the next two weeks
01:15:38 <GipFace> If you do not, you will leave us no choice but to put the project into a state of lockout
01:15:50 <GipFace> Once the project is in lockout, I bet everyone will be on our side
01:16:08 <LoSs> oh gipface
01:16:15 <LoSs> you are so kool
01:16:42 <GipFace> If you want to call our bluff, go right ahead, this is the fastest way to have everyone "agree" with us
01:17:22 <GipFace> DS55 and I have discussed this possibility with the rest of the team and they're fully prepared to go through with it
01:17:36 * DragonSamurai55 nods
01:17:54 <GipFace> So, we'd rather negotiate in a civil manner than have this spilled out into the public
01:17:58 <GipFace> Which is why we're talking to you now
01:18:05 <VDZ> Good thing I, like many other vndb regulars, am not interested in ef anyways
01:18:33 <LoSs> but I'm interested in playing that marvelous game again
01:18:38 <LoSs> after all it's shiny!!
01:18:42 --> ImmLff (~lonesylph@446371F.D8ECE350.F7F9E5BB.IP) joins #vndb
01:18:52 <echoMateria> ahah
01:18:55 <LoSs> unlike old stinky stuff like yu-no
01:19:05 <LoSs> or sharin no kuni
01:19:19 <LoSs> I WANT TO FEEL THE QUALITY
01:19:49 <echoMateria> threatening a database
01:20:00 <echoMateria> now I've seen everything

>> No.3931128

01:20:08 <GipFace> echoMateria - So there's the current offer on the table. In return for the hundreds of hours we put into our localization, we're only asking you to make a change that would take all of two minutes
01:20:43 <VDZ> <GipFace> ooh ooh watch out, we're blackmailing you now!
01:21:06 <VDZ> GipFace, let me summarize the opinion of most people in this channel. "We don't care. Go cry in a corner."
01:21:27 <GipFace> We're not blackmailing. echoMateria said he would merge the entries if there was enough support
01:21:29 <LoSs> more like, it's your opinion
01:21:41 <LoSs> I, for once, knows the hacker
01:21:48 <LoSs> I mean I care
01:22:03 <echoMateria> if you want to translate a game, to share the experience with others, you just do it

Marvelous GipFace. You are truly unique.

>> No.3931135

Symphonic Rain final patch fucking where?

>> No.3931138

What? And why is Loss such a faggot?

>> No.3931139

What? He's not seriously going to stop the release for that isnt he?

>> No.3931142

>01:15:22 <GipFace> If you merge the ef entries now, we will guarantee release within the next two weeks
>01:15:38 <GipFace> If you do not, you will leave us no choice but to put the project into a state of lockout
>01:15:50 <GipFace> Once the project is in lockout, I bet everyone will be on our side

This. Wat.

>> No.3931147

wat

>> No.3931151

I didn't get it. NNL won't release ef if vndb doesn't merge both games entries?

...tell me I misunderstood something.

>> No.3931159

>>3931142
Maybe he wants both ef titles put together as one on vndb?

>> No.3931161

>>3931151
You actually understood it perfectly.

>> No.3931163

They want to merge entries for first and latter tale? Who cares. They must be trolling. What the fuck?

>> No.3931165

And I thought GipFace was a faggot before this.

>> No.3931169

http://blicky.net/multi/
That's the log for the #vndb chat. As of writing now, NNL joined about 4-5 pages earlier.

>> No.3931171

Such a little faggot. Ef sucks anyway.

>> No.3931175

>>3931151
There's nothing to understand. However that Loss fag is a fucking DISNEY

>> No.3931178

>That's why I Love NNL
You love cheap trolling attempts made by attention whores?
And then fags wonder why sometime we drown at daily doses.

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Why... why would anyone even care whether the Ef entries were merged or not?

Strange people.

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Ok, so EF is done. And won't be released unless both of its entries in vndb (HINT: NOBODY FUCKING TAKES THE SITE SERIOUSLY), which would obviously be dumb because they are different games.

Now I'm seriously mad.

>> No.3931194

Why should they merge the two entries on vndb anyway? They're two different games after all, just because nnl translates both and releases shit together?

Fucking trolls.

>> No.3931197

>>3931178
When I said love I obviously meant hate. Unless if I look at them from an humoristic point of view, which makes them amusing.

>> No.3931207

nnl is basically mad because they are not the most discussed VN translation group, so they had to take their stupidity to a higher level. Don't misunderstand, I like tl groups due to their work, but this is fucking retarded.

>> No.3931213

GipFace has ALWAYS been my favorite autistic internet troll. Best GipFace moments:

- Blogging how he was dying on the streets and washing dishes for a living yet still has the time to translate eroge.
- Creating quizzes for his translation patches. If you passed his quiz in his IRC channel, then you would be able to download the patch.
- And of course demanding that you take a picture of yourself while holding YOUR BROKEN WIND SUPPORT DISC in order to obtain the Wind patch.

>> No.3931215

I just... don't know what to think. I can't understand it at all. I fail to grasp why would you do that, seriously.

>> No.3931218

>>3931213
Zun, would you break the support disc?

>> No.3931219

lol@LoSs's trolling

>> No.3931220

tl;dr they are nowhere close to finishing ef and are stalling for time.

>> No.3931222

>>3931213

You forgot about his fit when someone outbid him on a Haruko Momoi dress. Good times.

>> No.3931224

>>3931220
Jonesy, you are actually wrong this time. EF is most likely finished or in its final stages of editing/QCing. That part about not releasing it if vndb doesn't agree with them is bullshit though.

>> No.3931241

HEY LOOK AT ME.

I'M GIPFACE.

...

LOOK AT ME!

>> No.3931242

Oh wow.

>> No.3931249

Massive faggotry

>> No.3931260

It must be all Moogy's and Ixrec's fault.

>> No.3931263

I might have complained about TLWiki. Still, they do a great job and I like them.

I've surely complained about Amaterasu. Still, most of the bad things they did were unintentional so I can't dislike them.

Be proud, NNL. You are the first VN translation group to officialy anger me. I know that's what you expected from us but I'm just weak to those kind of trolls.

>> No.3931265

I guess you've gotta make some effort to attention whore with all the other translation projects going on these days.

>> No.3931279

massive trolling, nnl sucks.

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Quick summary for those who don't want to read the entire log:
GipFace enters #vndb and asks if we can merge the two ef entries. After a short discussion we unanimously disagree with the proposal. GipFace keeps trying to convince us, and eventually says that if we do not merge the two entries, NNL will stall the release of ef. Nobody cares, there's some more useless discussion, and GipFace leaves.

So, yeah. I guess I just made NNL stall their release of ef. Sorry, people. Hahaha.

>> No.3931284

You can't troll me about a game I don't care about. Still, fuck you GipFace.

>> No.3931286

Okay.
So.
Let me see if I am understanding this.
...
Gip wants the two VNDB entries for ef, ef - The First Tale and ef - The Latter Tale, to be merged into ef - A Fairy Tale of Two.
He wants this SO BADLY that he and the rest of No Name Trolls will delay the release of the patch they worked on for YEARS.
...
Why? They *are* two different VNs, are they not?
Does he think that by merging the two together it will make people think that they translated in entire saga, as opposed to just The Latter Tale? Am I misunderstanding how ef is laid out? Because I was under the impression that the two parts were separate, but connected.
Someone please clarify.

>> No.3931287

>>3931281
Doesn't matter. Ef sucks.

>> No.3931293

>>3931281
Christ, I actually think he is serious...
Wasn't gonna play it with all the other things coming out and my backlog.

>> No.3931305

>BAAAAWWWWWWWW FANSUB DRAMA

>> No.3931313

>>3931286
They're two parts of the same overarching story.
Comprised of ~7(?) different chapters with the only characters remaining constant are the narrators.

>> No.3931322

Man, I missed GipFace's antics.

BREAK THE SUPPORT DISC.

>> No.3931324
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GipFace never fails to deliver magnificent material.

>> No.3931332

>>3931313
So I wouldn't miss anything by reading the Latter Tale without first reading the First Tale?

>> No.3931341

>>3931332
You would miss delicious Miyako. Also the introduction to what is going on.
Might miss some development for one of the narrators as well but I wouldn't know as I've only read what has been translated.

>> No.3931342

>>3931324
Same here, we haven't had any trolling in the VN community since thanksgiving, I was getting worried.

>> No.3931346

01:34:07 <GipFace> All right. So if we get enough people to agree on the merge, you will do it, yes?
01:35:24 <VDZ> Hmmmmmmno, not as simple as that
01:35:38 <VDZ> gg also got many people to 'agree' on getting Ruitomo translated

http://www.ggkthx.org/2009/12/18/please-support-merging-the-two-ef-games-at-vndb/

>> No.3931347

http://www.ggkthx.org/2009/12/18/please-support-merging-the-two-ef-games-at-vndb/

the snowball is rolling

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GipFace/LoSs - you guys made my evening

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I can't believe how minor this is.

The translation community really is infantile.

>> No.3931369

>>3931356
Fortunately most groups are not like them, proof being that every one of them is just laughing right now.

>> No.3931382

Wait, they're releasing both games?
I am so fucking confused, fuck ef.

>> No.3931384

>>3931286
In addition to what >>3931313 said, NNL's release combines the two VNs into one big VN (as the latter tale basically just continues where the first tale left off, like Umineko/Chiru or Higurashi/Kai).

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Here's the full log in case anyone interested. That whole thing is just ridiculous, honestly.

http://pastebin.ca/1720014

>> No.3931392

>>3931356
>The translation community really is infantile.
It's mostly just NNL.

Does anyone have the link to those glorious Wind threads from early 2007?

>> No.3931401

>>3931392
Does the archive even go that far back?

>> No.3931403

>>3931392
http://www.imouto.org/wind/

Found it.

>> No.3931404

Do they actually have shit done?

If so, "merge it" and then restore things back to status quo after they release it.

Then laugh

>> No.3931410

>>3931401
Manual archiving.

Also, I stand corrected, it was 2006. Wow.

That was when we got two translated VNs per year and were happy with it.

>> No.3931411

>>3931322
oh god I remember reading about stuff like that a long time ago. was that this guy? I wasn't really interested in the big vns then

>> No.3931416

>>3931404
This.

>> No.3931423

>http://www.nnl1.com/
>No Name Losers and the ef project is currently in a state of lockout.

>Why?
>VNDB currently lists ef - a fairy tale of the two with two entries: one for first tale and one for latter tale. Due to the upcoming standalone release, we would rather have the entries merged into one because that is how the majority of the English-speaking audience will play it. However, VNDB has refused, instead asking us to convince enough people that the idea is sound.

>In order to garner enough support, we have halted the ef project until further notice. We attempted to be civil about the situation, but unfortunately, neither side could come to an agreement. We're asking you for your help, because VNDB claims that they will merge the entries with enough support.

>For your perusal, we have included the e-mail exchange between No Name Losers and VNDB, plus a chat log dated December 18th. Please convince them that merging the entries is the right thing to do. The sooner you do, the sooner you'll get ef.
>Please help us.
>We hope this separation will be only for a short moment.
>Have a safe and happy Christmas.

This managed to make me laugh. If anyone does not recognize it, that's a modified version of the message minori's site displays to not japanese IPs.

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>>3931423
Fascinating.

>> No.3931446

So basically, NNL hasn't fully recovered from the idiocy that BREAK THE SUPPORT DISK was and they're trying to make it look like all of their actions were clever trolls all along. Brilliant.

Also holy shit, I disabled Adblock for a minute and was greeted with J-List ads. Since when did J-List start advertising in 4chan again? It's like I'm really in 2006 again.

>> No.3931453

>>3931404

Oh, and don't forget to mirror for them.

>> No.3931459

>>3931403
I made three of those threads. Thread number 645700 in particular took a while to get off the ground, so the first 5-10 posts were basically me samebro'ing it up as Anon.

Thank god I don't post as Anon anymore.

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this is now a nitro+ thread

>> No.3931471

Don't scare me like that OP, for a moment I thought this was about faggotry involving Jingai Makyou.

>> No.3931472

>>3931461
No thanks, go away.

>> No.3931474

>>3931207
Exactly. It's actually kind of sad seeing them desperately trying to maintain trolling relevance by making confrontational posts on their website whenever any drama occurs in the VN community.

>> No.3931476

"No Name Losers" is quite an apt name.

I'm a touhou fan, I don't play any VNs or eroges or whatever you kids call them but Jesus Christ.

It's like asinine elementary school behavior, except the elementary school kids can translate shit.

>> No.3931477

>>3931471
>Implying that SUPPORT JAST USA etc. isnt' faggotry.

>> No.3931505

>>3931477
You wound me sir, I was going to pirate the game anyway

>> No.3931523

Holy shit, is this the same GipFace who dominates at Advance Wars.

>> No.3931551

I do not vote on VNDB because I am not a faggot.

NNL has always been idiotic and a troll, why are you guys surprised after what happen with the support disc.

>> No.3931564

>>3931523

Yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPeFJ__dFPw

He also responded to a member of TLwiki on an AW forum he (used to?) frequent.

>> No.3931586

>>3931403
I like that one mention that the Shuffle Patch would use the same methods.
HOHOHO!

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This series of screenshots

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are the result of diffing the chat logs on the nnl website

>> No.3931612

Some people really take this too seriously

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and logs held by another member in the channel.

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These were only done for the sole reasons

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that TinFoil didn't feel like doing anything but playing Battlefield 2

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and because humiliating the self-righteous on the internet is more fun than editing VNs.

>> No.3931626

god dammit, what the fuck. Just give the troll what he wants and then change it back after the patch comes out.
NOT THAT COMPLICATED

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And by the way, I feel sort of guilty for linking this thread to a gg staff member...

>> No.3931638

>>3931634
Which one?

>> No.3931642

>>3931626
They will only come up with more ridiculous demands after that.

There will never be a full patch.

>> No.3931646

Suddenly. the message drama I experienced when I entered the VN world does not seem so dramatic anymore.

>> No.3931647

>>3931638
I hope it isn't one of the retarded ones...

>> No.3931651

>>3931647
Now that was a nice joke.

>> No.3931653

>>3931638
aers; I kind of caused the ggkthx.org escalation by telling him to look at this thread here.

>> No.3931655

>>3931647
>implying there are non-retarded gg staff members

>> No.3931678

>>3931403
oh god, I feel sick reading this garbage...

>> No.3931684

Okay, seriously. I've been saying that while I think the way that NNL acts is stupid, I still respect them for actually doing translation work.

And now what the fuck is this shit. Can't they just release something and get people to talk about them that way if they want attention so badly?

>> No.3931710

I like how they keep asserting that VNDB is going to do something if they get enough support, when I haven't seen anything to support that.

They've made their choice.

>> No.3931715

Oh no, is it over? Tell Gip to keep it going, nothing on comes close to being as entertaining as this.

>> No.3931731

Didn't NNL's link section say just few days ago that they don't consider VNDB to be very good website?

>> No.3931761

NNL, you lot are retarded, and I have no hopes for this patch having seen this bullshit. If you are so retarded about something like this, I have to assume your ability to translate and write coherent English is also lacking.

>> No.3931772

>>3931731
Well considering this, why the fuck would they give a shit about a website they don't even consider to be reliable?

>> No.3931776

>>3931731
Yes.

>>3931772
Because they think they're master trolls.

>> No.3931788

<echoMateria> it's not like we even refused
<echoMateria> I just told them to post it in boards so other people can see it too
<echoMateria> they just can't show up when most of the members are sleeping and make demans on changes

Can't they just fucking post on forums?

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Truly NNL contributes to translation scene more than any other group.

>> No.3931820

>97 posts and 16 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
Oh, /jp/.
This isn't even entertaining drama, so why are there so many posts?

>> No.3931821

>>3931715

I dunno, Enchanted is better than I thought it'd be. Hope there's an encore presentation so I don't have to rent it.

>> No.3931825

>>3931813
Who needs a translation when you can have entertainment?

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>>3931825
These days we have both. NNL and Ixrec's polls provide the entertainment, everything else gets translated just like that.

>> No.3931834

>>3931820
>ef
Boring
>Retarded trolling
Mildly amusing

>> No.3931853

>>3931834
Not really, though.

Okay, guys. From now on, this thread is about schoolgirl lesbians.

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>> No.3931859

I liked the Message drama. That was the best ever.

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>>3931853
Is this fine?

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>>3931880
>>Jonesy posting Persona 4 and K-ON

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>imagedump
>no sage

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>>3931936
First push. Then pull.

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>> No.3932070

tl;dr: No one gives a shit.

Back to your schoolgirl lesbium.

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>> No.3932135

Dear Gippy,

Your burns are lame as fuck. Take some trolling 101 classes from Something Awful, ok?

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9/10
NNL has trolled me some schoolgirl lesbians. I approve.

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>> No.3933976

Lol fags. If you don't like it, why don't you translate the shit yourselves? We can do whatever we want with our releases. Deal with it. You don't like it, convince VNDB to do the right thing.

>> No.3933998

>>3933976
But no one here complained about ef.

>> No.3934482

Bump for school girls.

>> No.3934492

>>3933976
But everyone here is behind VNDB and nobody is crying for Ef when we have Nipaa, Swan Lake, Disney, Galaxy Angel and C77.

Why dont you ask your ggfriends to help?

>> No.3935478

>>3933976
>implying this thread wasn't about laughing at your idiocy

>> No.3935894

The rage was removed from nnl1.com, guess they caved already.

>> No.3936018

And here i was thinking that im a faggot for reading these things.... Fuck you internet, i want my sheltered, clueless life back.

>> No.3936027

>>3935894

The crushing apathy of /jp/ was too much for the poor guy to bear.

>> No.3936052

what exactly is this thread about.

Merging what?

>> No.3936068

>>3936052
Since i am too lazy to post.
>>3936057

>> No.3936131

>>3936052
Full chatlog there. >>3931391

>> No.3936211

This thread hasn't 404'd yet?

>> No.3937409

Age for hilarity.

>> No.3937429

vndb should just change it and then after the patch is released, change it back.

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