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Is Memories of Phantasm the worst "big" fan project out there?

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bait threads go on >>>/v/

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No. That title belongs to Cookie. It's a doujin work so you treat it as such, meaning: it is fancanon not meant to be taken literally as canon, nor should you let your knowledge of canon get in the way of enjoying it for what it is. I wouldn't call it the greatest, but it's a fun watch and I enjoyed it a lot.

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Go back to twitter.

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>>44830965
MoP introduced me to Touhou, so no

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>>44830965
Not great, not terrible. I watched them because of their action sequence, that's all. In the past I look up to ufo's OVA for true budget animation and regard MoP just "fan" but after read it leaked I'm more tolerated toward MoP. They show same "professional" symptoms : forced shorn character into anime stereotype, fan service there and then, laser fest here and that.
About all other shortcoming others accused of it: too much fanservice, too much fan interpretation... I dont feel offensed by it, so ask other anons

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>>44830965
people's main gripe with it was always that it was "too fanon" but that's frankly also been a retarded stance to have on it since it's a fanwork
The actual main problem with the series, in spite of its great animation, nice style and decent atmosphere is that it doesn't have a consistent or well-constructed plot and is essentially just bite-sized fan re-tellings of stuff.
Part of this is why I'd like someone to animate some of the manga chapters as individual episodes or something. Would give a great blueprint to work off of. Particularly the fairies stuff.

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>>44834837
The “doesn’t adhere to canon” argument holds even less water when because the writer of MOP directly stated that the original intent of the project was NOT to faithfully adapt the original games, nor was it to be an improvement on ZUN’s work. Essentially, MOP is a celebration of the fandom surrounding Touhou, taking the greatest common divisors of fan interpretations of Gensokyo and its inhabitants. When looked at in that light, MOP does a pretty damn good job at accomplishing that goal.

Pic is from MegaFrog’s “Why Memories of Phantasm is Misunderstood”: https://youtu.be/ToReLiORY4w?si=9fg8CNwZek-aPc0t I can’t find the link to the original tweet because I’m at work and Twitter mobile is absolute dogshit at searching older tweets. Also the video is a good watch.

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>>44834837
I think the only serious criticism I can give is that some of the voice lines are a little forced, and the audio mixing could use some work, but other than that it's as good a show as you can possibly expect.
It's mostly held back by trying to follow ZUN's barebones story without expanding upon it in a way that changes everything, and the fact it's a pseudoanime of a shoot em up.
I'd recommend it if you had an afternoon or something, it's not the mona lisa or citizen kane of anything but it was never going to be and that's not the fault of anyone involved really.

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>>44837961
>Essentially, MOP is a celebration of the fandom surrounding Touhou, taking the greatest common divisors of fan interpretations of Gensokyo and its inhabitants.
And that is why it's criticised. It's not misunderstood. It's not some grand misconception. No, people didn't like it BECAUSE it was full-on fanontrash.

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>>44838033
It's because it was the wrong kind of fanontrash.

It was a shota harem, slice of life antics, yuri, or whatever else the touhou fandom shits out. As is, it's too serious to work for your average secondary and too canon unfriendly to work for nerds like me.

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>>44837961
>MOP is a celebration of the fandom surrounding Touhou
why would anybody want to celebrate this board

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>>44830965
could be worse

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>>44830965
Visually it's very pretty and quite frankly it's character designs for almost the whole cast are definitive (particularly excelling with either mature hags or those trying to give off that aura (Remi))

There has been significantly worse Touhou fan content that had big attention, MoP isn't even in the running. It's like saying if The Force Awakens is the worst movie of all time. No.

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>>44830965
yup, it's awful and a large stain on the western touhou fandom (people will look up touhou and just assume touhou is MoP, it's THAT bad)

it's even more sad considering that its' popularity is overshadowing other much better, yet much more modest and lesser known projects, like Summer Day's Dream

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>>44830965
KKHTA is the worst by far, but MoP is the second worst

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>>44846232
>KKHTA is
based.

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>>44845945
yeah, ridiculously huge boobs fit perfectly the general touhou mood, the perfect design interpretations for touhou are the ones that look like they just came out of a crappy porn vn

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>>44841138
God i wish it was an actual shota harem. Self insert protagonist gets predated by all the hus. Especially the prostatehus.

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>>44848159
>yeah, ridiculously huge boobs fit perfectly the general touhou mood, the perfect design interpretations for touhou are the ones that look like they just came out of a crappy porn vn
Yeah sure, they're ''ridiculously huge'' if you like children. Those tits look normal. I had colleagues from my old job that had tits like that. The flat chest guys/lolicons really like to pretend that anything that isn't the size of a nipple is ''unrealistic''.

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>>44830965
It’s art design is soo good I can ignore most of its flaws and jerk off in peace.

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>>44849247
It's just Marisa coping she's flatter than was previously thought physically possible with current technology

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>>44846022
Sorry for the long text in advance.

Sincerely, I think lack of curiosity from your typical fan is more to blame than MoP itself. Furthermore, how did MoP get so popular if it's supposedly "that" bad? (it isn't)

A good part of that is due to the fans behaviour who reprint and repost anything related to MoP (typical fansubbed+dubbed episodes multiple times, all x character moments, all episodes compilations, best battle scenes whatever, best goofy moment whatever) at the expense of other more obscure (and some will say more deserving) works. I've seen that behaviour since the introduction of the series in 2011. Now is it stealing its popularity? I don't think so. Aggressive advertising isn't even remotely one of Manpuku Jinja's traits. Also, why KKHTA attracts a certain category of fans but other works can't? If someone has some clues, I'd be pleased to read them.

MoP's overexposure is because of some of us, and for me, the huge lack of sense of discovery when it comes to finding video works. I don't think I'm to blame myself in that regard since I have been (in vain) pushing more obscure works for years. But I'm not a celeb, nor a creator or an artist so my words are at best inaudible.

I'll repeat for those disappointed by MoP and wished it had a stronger artistic direction and was less the mess that it is to give a chance to Mushishi Wriggle: https://www.nicovideo.jp/user/21502688/series/63710

I know it's MMD, but it's everything Fantasy Kaleidoscope (I prefer this name) failed to be: good writing, interesting character development, lore digging, good balance between relaxed, tense and busy moments, and very little fanservice. The series has been in production since 2015 with a steady production pace and its author isn't exactly the typical unreliable and temperamental fanartist. And the best about it? It's in the same exact format as Fantasy Kaleidoscope.

There's something inherently attractive about MoP that also makes it so popular (let's wonder what it is lol), outside of the fans' behaviour. Now, where do people see all new fans typically assume MoP as canon or official (or as reference work)? I have yet to see that myself (as I mostly see the loud minority rambling about it and bashing it personally). Is it the same for other entry doors such as SirPelo's animation, JzBoy's ones, etc? For me, any entry door is good, as long as the fan learns to be curious by themselves afterwards. It seems to me that Tommy said they didn't want it to be an exact copy of the games and didn't want voices mainly to avoid mistaking it as official. Looks like they failed for the western part of the fandom it seems (I don't see that on the Japanese part).

Last thing, Tokine is really to blame for the lack of popularity of his series. It's like he doesn't want Musou Kakyou to be popular outside of Japan, given how restrictive he's when it comes to unauthorized reprinting, even parodies. Combined to (again) the lack of curiosity from some of us, and you get why it is unfairly overlooked.

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>>44848159
>>44849247
They also have, let's say, pretty visible boobs in Musou Kakyou and I've never seen anyone complain (see Marisa, Sakuya, and mostly that bath scene with Patchouli in episode 3 I think).

>>44849917
Pretty much the same for me. I see it as just another animated doujin among many others myself. I sometimes fail to understand all the fuss.

By the way, the thread doesn't seem to bump for me. Any ideas?

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>>44855311
>They also have, let's say, pretty visible boobs in Musou Kakyou and I've never seen anyone complain (see Marisa, Sakuya, and mostly that bath scene with Patchouli in episode 3 I think).
True that. Fanservice acceptability is a matter of appropriate pacing.

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>>44854295
>Sincerely, I think lack of curiosity from your typical fan is more to blame than MoP itself.
Correct. The Touhou fandom is fucking awful and nobody cares about canon.

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It made koreans seethe so it's pretty good

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>>44867701
koreans seethe at anything though

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>>44830965
Not even close. Fan project so disastrous people don't even consider it as Touhou.

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>>44830965
No. That title belongs to Cookie. It's a doujin work so you treat it as such, meaning: it is fancanon not meant to be taken literally as canon, nor should you let your knowledge of canon get in the way of enjoying it for what it is. I wouldn't call it the greatest, but it's a fun watch and I enjoyed it a lot.