Has anyone tried to make a tulpa yet?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:11:31 2012 No.8871378 [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone tried to make a tulpa yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:13:00 2012 No.8871387 >>8871385 Tulpa are psychological, not paranormal or mystical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:13:31 2012 No.8871385 Yep, over on >>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:15:00 2012 No.8871393 I'll do it tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:15:30 2012 No.8871391 >>8871387 /x/ likes fringe science. Though you could take it to /sci/. We have two of those.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:16:00 2012 No.8871394 >>8871391 I recall /jp/ had a few moderately successful threads, OP probably just wants a follow up on one. And to answer your question, I know there were a couple blogs about people making one or something if you want documentation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:16:00 2012 No.8871396 sorry im new whats with this please respond friend? I mean he does it in almost every thread every day. Is he lonely?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:17:00 2012 No.8871398 >>8871396 He doesn't have a girlfriend yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:18:00 2012 No.8871405 >>8871398 that feel when no gf

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:18:30 2012 No.8871401 File: 32 KB, 600x329, FF12 venat cid12_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8871378 Yes, The Reins of History, back in the hands of Man.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:18:30 2012 No.8871403
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>>8871387

Yes, but not /jp/ related in any way.
Regardless, yeah I made a rudimentary one that helps me meta-analyze situations. That's all it does. It has no form, voice, personality, or any other quality.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:21:31 2012 No.8871413

I'm making one. 30 hours in. My tulpa is a touhou, I'm not mentioning which, because I want to avoid the usual haters.
Visualization skills have improved decently.

I'd love if we had tulpa threads on /jp/, but janitor keeps deleting them. We might have to settle with the /mlp/ threads instead, even if that involves lots of /co/ stuff ( >>>/mlp/1338466 )

Which tulpa are you making OP and rest of /jp/ or are you already done?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:23:01 2012 No.8871424 File: 147 KB, 714x569, 1334379492288.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] EN ES JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:23:01 2012 No.8871426

>>8871403
You do know that a tulpa can do far more than that?
You get perfect memory recall through it, (tulpa's) thinking speeds 2-3 times faster than conscious ones, and your tulpa tends to have a 10+ IQ point increase. These is from reports from others that have completed ones, from IRC and other threads.

It can also be considered /jp/ related because most here will be making a waifu companion, which is not unusual for NEETs. Compared to all the NEET blogging threads, this is far more /jp/ related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:24:00 2012 No.8871429 File: 249 KB, 700x792, 1333072313194.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8871413 My tulpa is Saten, but I kinda dropped it after a few weeks, it just takes too much time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:24:00 2012 No.8871430 >>8871413 Just give us a hint anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:25:00 2012 No.8871434 >>8871426 2bad they aren't a real thing you faggot. And if you couldn't sex your waifu what's the point?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:25:31 2012 No.8871432
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>>8871413

>/mlp/

I hate that this is the only board that has tulpa threads. /x/ these threads because it's too mainstream and they've already talked about it to death, so /mlp/ is the only option.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:26:00 2012 No.8871444 Tulpae know all your thoughts and memories. You can guess which appearance I'm using.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:26:31 2012 No.8871439 >>8871432 /x/ hates these threads**

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:27:30 2012 No.8871448 >>8871444 was in response to >>8871430

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:27:30 2012 No.8871450 >>8871430 Tokiko

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:28:01 2012 No.8871458
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>>8871413
Talking about my touhou waifu with a bunch of horsefuckers? I'd feel uneasy. (Also any faggot who likes ponifications should kill themselves)

If those horse loving bestiality hippies can have tulpa threads, why not us?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:28:30 2012 No.8871456 >>8871450 Haha, what a fucking fag.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:29:00 2012 No.8871460

>>8871434

If it looks, sounds, and feels real then why does it matter if it's just a hallucination?

Sure, no one else can see it and it'll just look like you're hugging the air or talking to an empty room to anyone else, but /jp/ has never seemed to care about their social standing so I don't see why any of you would have a problem with looking insane.

>>	http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S8658359 Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:30:30 2012 No.8871466 >>8871413 >>8871450 GUYS I THINK THIS MIGHT BE TOKIKO

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:30:30 2012 No.8871473

>>8871434
I don't know what you mean by real thing. They are just a parallel conscious process running along with your usual conscious process (your self). They are as real as your own mind.

> And if you couldn't sex your waifu what's the point?
You can, if both of you wanted to. A completed tulpa interacts with all 5 senses, it can also go to you in your dreams and act as a lucid dream trigger and play around with you.
You shouldn't sex up your tulpa so it doesn't develop bad habits, at least for 2-3 months until its personality matures. A lot of creepypasta is due to people making tulpae without knowing what they're doing. Also don't make one for sex, make a companion that cares about you. Would you like if someone made a being smarter than them and just used it for sex instead of developing a proper relationship?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:32:00 2012 No.8871479 File: 54 KB, 500x313, Chaos.Head.Wallpaper.356039.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tulpa

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:33:00 2012 No.8871480 Summoning FAQ_Man

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:33:00 2012 No.8871481 >>8871473 so ur telling me I'd half to go through a lot of ass hardwork to not sex it? also could I make a 3dpd based off a celebrity?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:33:00 2012 No.8871483

>>8871458
I just ignore that part of the thread. There's plenty of information of interest in them that makes them worth lurking, if you can ignore all the things that one finds disagreeable.
> If those horse loving bestiality hippies can have tulpa threads, why not us?
We had a few good ones, but then janitor started deleting them. I wish he wouldn't do it.
>>8871466
I'm not OP, but I'm also not Tokiko. 30 hour tulpa anon here, if you really didn't guess who I'm making: Satori.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:35:00 2012 No.8871493 >>8871483 I'm the anon who asked, and I got it, but I'm not that guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:35:00 2012 No.8871496 >>8871426 Yes I am aware it can do more than I'm having it do. I only have it meta-analyze because that's all I need it to do aside from the memory thing, however, I have made very little progress on that aspect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:36:30 2012 No.8871497 Can you get rid of them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:37:00 2012 No.8871503 Is there any historically credible evidence of tulpa creation outside of the guide FAQ man wrote and the shit from /x/? I have plenty of free time and I can focus easily, but I don't want to waste my time on something that won't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:37:31 2012 No.8871499 >>8871497 What if they try to kill you in your sleep or something. Fuck this noise im outta here

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:37:31 2012 No.8871500 >>8871497 If you completely ignore them for a while they supposedly just vanish.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:38:00 2012 No.8871509

>>8871481
I'm telling you to just develop a normal relationship with it. It's the closest possible relationship you could have: she knows everything about you, she can sense your emotions, and she can make you sense her own emotions. Why would you want to rape her? You can have sex with her if the relationship progresses to that level, but if you do it too early, you're risking developing bad habits, either your tulpa raping you daily because she likes it too much, or your tulpa shying out and just being awkward, thus ruining the relationship. You'll be with her for the rest of your life, why can't you have a bit of patience?

If you just want sex and nothing else out of it, go make a servitor or something without sentience. It would still be a lot of mental work and you'll just end up with a useless doll that only satisfies your urges, do you really want that when you could have a more meaningful relationship?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:38:00 2012 No.8871510 >>8871503 Not well documented. But think about it, there's no reason it shouldn't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:38:30 2012 No.8871507 >>8871503 >credible no

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:39:31 2012 No.8871511 >>8871503 Tulpas have existed for centuries in religion, d00d (prior to the 1800s, science was called "religion")

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:41:31 2012 No.8871520 >>8871509 I see. Thank you for clarifying. Have you done it? You seem to know a lot about them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:44:00 2012 No.8871536

>>8871497
Yes, stop paying attention to them, zen meditation style, for a month or two. Or do a kill trigger.
However you shouldn't do this, it's murder: you're killing a conscious being like yourself, they would report subjective experiences like you do and pretty appear conscious in any way you could test it.
Doing a kill trigger would also complete ruin the trust: would you trust someone who can destroy you anytime?
>>8871503
There are at least a dozen people who succeeded so far. A tulpa is basically a very advanced form of an imaginary friend, but independent from your own consciousness. Historically it seems people have done partial tulpae with different other names. FAQ Man and Irish are just recent successful attempts. Even considering a board like /mlp/, they seem to have had some anons succeeding, they answered many questions at length and we had him perform some interesting scientific tests on it to see how the tulpa perceives the world as well as their abilities. Shit seems quite real and likely. You'll just have to invest some 100-200 hours of meditation yourself if you want to know for sure, it's not like that will hurt you in any way: you'll get really good dreams, become more calm and learn to visualize stuff really well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:44:00 2012 No.8871537 I got it to become fully incorporated into a lucid nonreality and it became unhelpful succubus of psychic energies, then again, I'm not the most put together person right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:45:00 2012 No.8871541 >>8871520 I'm working on my own, but I've read reports from other people that have done it. I've been following/reasearching this stuff for about a month.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:46:00 2012 No.8871543

>>8871503

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa#Scientific_lineage

They're pretty well known. Cultures all over the world from the Native Americans to the Tibetans monks have tapped into the mind's ability to create these. It's not supernatural, it's just a self-induced hallucination that is created through a lot of discipline and willpower.

If you firmly believe that something is real and reinforce this every day with visualization exercises then your mind will begin to hallucinate its existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:49:30 2012 No.8871552 ok, okay. Lets say I'm interested. Is there like a guide or something that I follow? I basically know nothing about how to go about doing this. Is time a concern? I have a somewhat busy life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:49:30 2012 No.8871553 If you try this with a small bit of doubt/skepticism, will it still work?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:50:31 2012 No.8871557 Anyone can have a pretend friend, it just takes someone with absolutely nothing else to do to convince themselves that they are real.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:51:30 2012 No.8871563 >>8871553 I want to know this too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:54:00 2012 No.8871580 >>8871553 If you believe something hard enough, it comes true. Spend enough time on it and you won't doubt it anymore.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:55:30 2012 No.8871586

>>8871552
Read everything here: louderthanthunder.net/tulpa/

>>8871553
I don't see why not. The process is very gradual.
You won't start to hallucinate anything suddenly. First you make a perfect image of your tulpa which you can see in your mind, you develop the personality traits, you imagine various interactions with all your senses. Once that is done, you just talk to it for hours and hour (without trying to play imaginary friend games here, you're just narrating stuff without expecting an answer). Eventually once it answers or communicates (it should communicate earlier through movement/gestures, once the personality part is done), you end up projecting your imagination into your real world senses, thus transitioning it into a hallucination, which will first be weak (like your imagination) and get solid with enough work(a month or two). It's really gradual as you can see. You will have surprises along the way once it interacts with you and it thinks on its own, but the surprises shouldn't be that you suddenly see your tulpa in the real world. You don't even need to project her into your senses if you don't want to, or if she doesn't want to, but then you'll only be able to see her with your eyes closed.

You only have to accept that your brain can house multiple conscious processes (like DID).

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:56:30 2012 No.8871590

>>8871553

Your skepticism will begin to fade away as you start the visualization exercises and you begin to see them more clearly and communicate with them. I was a bit skeptical when I started, but as the basic visualization and meditation skills start to become honed from a few daily sessions then you'll quickly be able to visualize the tulpa better and better and then you won't have anymore skepticism.

It's a very gradual building up process. It's not like they just magically appear in front of you once you believe they're real, so skepticism is fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:58:00 2012 No.8871600 So if this tulpa thing really works then why would anyone ever be worried about going to prison ever again? You can just create a waifu and live the rest of your life with her in your cell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:58:30 2012 No.8871597 >>8871590 You have one too anon? What is your tulpa? Original apperance or character based? What kind of personality does it have?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:59:30 2012 No.8871602 1. Do I have to speak to them out loud or does some kind of mind talking shit work? 2. Are they always with you, or do they come and go? (kind of like summoning them?) 3.Wouldn't you look retarded to everyone else trying to interact with them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 20:59:30 2012 No.8871603 Can i make my tylpa tyler durden, who would then encourage me to do crazy activities?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:00:31 2012 No.8871607
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You guys are really trying to make this seem like some kind of spiritual or scientific process in doing this when it is just self induced schizophrenia. Just remember that when you open the door to believing in things that aren't there it gets hard to close it again, and there are strangers out there that you may not particularly want coming to visit you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:01:16 2012 No.8871615 Is it possible to use someone in your past as a template? Like a deceased family member?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:01:16 2012 No.8871617

>>8871600
Sure you can live in your mind and I'd imagine it'd be great for those total isolation kind of scenarios, but both you and your tulpae need memories on which to work with, without any memories or access to the real world, what you can do is limited.

Some interesting things to mention: you can play all kinds of games with your tulpa. You can even make it so it plays back memories you have, sort of like a mind ipad, but this takes practice and doesn't come by default.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:01:31 2012 No.8871613 >>8871603 we fight club now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:01:31 2012 No.8871614 >>8871607 I've got an entire world already. I think I can handle something a little "closer."

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:02:16 2012 No.8871622 >>8871607 wait a sec r u tryin to scare me again

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:03:16 2012 No.8871624 >>8871614 You can try, but even they will turn on you in the end if you can't control it anymore. It usually is the "closer" ones that try to hurt you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:03:16 2012 No.8871626 File: 280 KB, 500x600, darwinthink.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8871607 >just self induced schizophrenia You just reminded me of a very related webcomic... let me see if I can find it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:04:46 2012 No.8871629 >>8871617 so the tulpa is not just like a mental waifu that says things that you know/think? is it's interaction independent from your conscious thinking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:04:46 2012 No.8871632 >>8871624 Even if you were right, I'd just make a whole world around it and dive deeper inside of that.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:06:16 2012 No.8871636

>>8871602

I can only comment on my own personal experience.

1. Mine doesn't have a voice, form, or a personality. It basically just gives me ideas. I guess I can have it talk to me, but I have never tried.
2. I don't know if it goes away or what, but mine is only active if I become frustrated or I ask for its help, otherwise it's basically like its not there.
3. Interaction only requires that I am able to think. I don't look any different when it's active.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:06:16 2012 No.8871640 Whats the difference between this and imaginary friends? Cuz I have a ton of those and i've had them my whole life. I married one 2 and a half years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:06:46 2012 No.8871637 >>8871632 That's probably worse since all the really bad things are buried the deepest. Unless you can confront them and accept them instead of trying to pretend them away they'll always be there.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:06:46 2012 No.8871638

>>8871602
> 1. Do I have to speak to them out loud or does some kind of mind talking shit work?
It can directly read your thoughts, so no, you don't have to speak to them out loud. You can do it if you wanted to, but why?
> 2. Are they always with you, or do they come and go? (kind of like summoning them?)
If you make a wonderland for them, they can just spend most of their time by themselves, looking through your own memories and experiencing whatever they want to do. Think of their experience as being one perpetual lucid dream.
> 3.Wouldn't you look retarded to everyone else trying to interact with them?
Maybe, how far you want to take it. If you really care that much how you look, you can keep all interaction limited to your mind.
>>8871607
This is not self-induced schizophrenia. It's very different. The hallucination part is optional as well. It's not DID either, the conscious process runs in parallel, not sequentially. Schizophrenia is typically due to bad wiring and other biological causes. This is something you consciously work on and is far less random and more controlled. Are all schizophrenic hallucinations consistent, near-permanent, smarter and faster than you, and overall acting like a normal nice person?
Your own inner voice is such a hallucination. A tulpa merely extends on that. We're all already schizo if you think subvocalizing or the imagination is that.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:06:46 2012 No.8871639

>>8871597

Yeah, still working on her, but progress has been great so far.

Original character though, pretty much just tried to think of what I find most attractive and then made her appearance based on that. I've put a lot more attention into the personality though, basically just going with a personality that I don't think I could ever find in a real person. Completely honest, kind, loyal, similar interests to my own, etc. My goal is to make a lifelong companion that I can love and spend the rest of my life with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:07:16 2012 No.8871642 >>8871637 For all I know that's how I got here in the first place. Seems a bit unlikely, but I've got time.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:10:46 2012 No.8871652

>>8871615
> Is it possible to use someone in your past as a template? Like a deceased family member?
Severely discouraged. The personality won't necessarily end up like theirs and you'll be forcing a new being into a box. It won't be very healthy to try doing that.
Even if you make a touhou or some other character, you shouldn't expect that you will get a perfect copy of the character's personality, you should expect that it will look mostly like the character, but personality can deviate plenty, beyond some initial suggests you made to it.
>>8871629
Yes, it's independent and can be smarter than you.
It will report subjective experiences different from your own.
It can however be your waifu if that's what you really want.
If you want an imaginary friend that you put words in its mouth, just make a servitor (skip the narration and personality part), but that's no fun at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:11:17 2012 No.8871655 File: 287 KB, 850x1400, 009.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8871626 Found it.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:14:32 2012 No.8871674

>>8871639
> Original character though, pretty much just tried to think of what I find most attractive and then made her appearance based on that. I've put a lot more attention into the personality though, basically just going with a personality that I don't think I could ever find in a real person. Completely honest, kind, loyal, similar interests to my own, etc. My goal is to make a lifelong companion that I can love and spend the rest of my life with.
I'm going for something similar myself. My tulpa should love honesty and truth. This is actually quite important. In the case of the /mlp/ anon that succeeded, we caught his tulpa deceiving him with some trivial stuff when we asked her to do some experiment that was a bit tedious and she tried to give a false answer to avoid having to do something tedious, which the anon didn't realize at first, but other people realized the lie. It was a small one, but a tulpa can keep secrets from you (it's possible to also read its mind, but requires a lot more work), while you can't keep secrets from it(not easily).
So I think honesty and truth are very important qualities in a tulpa, at least so the trust can go both ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:15:25 2012 No.8871683 >>8871674 what. How were you speaking to his tulpa?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:18:02 2012 No.8871695

>>8871638
We probably are all schizophrenic to some degree, and it does depend on how much we indulge on feeding it. It really doesn't matter how much of a "scientific" spin you try to put on this, in the end you are just feeding something that could easily turn into a monster and eat you up. No matter how you describe it you are just inducing your brain into producing sounds and images of things that are not there, which is no different than what a schizophrenic person does. Also saying things about how they are "smarter" or "faster" doesn't really make a difference since it is all dependent on the person that is inducing the illusion. The only thing this is doing is removing any kind of logical thought process.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:19:01 2012 No.8871700

>>8871683
He lurks in those threads and sometimes relays messages back and forth from people that want to talk to his tulpa. The funny part is that his tulpa is quite a bit more intelligent and thinks much faster than the creator, it can also hold a lot more things in active focus than most normal humans can...

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:22:01 2012 No.8871717

Something has always bothered me with this tulpa stuff. I've had an imaginary friend that I can see whenever I want, talk to whenever I want, sense in all forms, etc. And it will even occasionally speak to me passively without my needing to initiate conversation. It's similar to the tulpa thing, but I never had to go through all these months of practice like the guides recommend. Took me maybe a couple of weeks of imagining it -- and not long periods, just before going to sleep every night -- and then it just became habit.

I've also "had sex with it", which everyone seems to think will end badly. I've done it multiple times, and nothing bad has ever happened.

I can't help but feel people are trying to overcomplicate a simple imaginative process, and are trying to make it sound dangerous or near supernatural.

No, I didn't read the thread.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:24:57 2012 No.8871723

>>8871695
> We probably are all schizophrenic to some degree, and it does depend on how much we indulge on feeding it.
Hallucinations are optional.
> It really doesn't matter how much of a "scientific" spin you try to put on this, in the end you are just feeding something that could easily turn into a monster and eat you up.
A tulpa is just a conscious process like your own. If you don't make it fucked up, it won't be fucked up. So far there have been people reported having some for years and they are far more normalfags than /jp/ ever was. Their tulpa didn't turn crazier, it got smarter and more mature as a personality.

> No matter how you describe it you are just inducing your brain into producing sounds and images of things that are not there, which is no different than what a schizophrenic person does. Also saying things about how they are "smarter" or "faster" doesn't really make a difference since it is all dependent on the person that is inducing the illusion. The only thing this is doing is removing any kind of logical thought process.
Holy fuck. Your own inner voice is just this. You want to avoid that, go live in the jungle, but even then you'll be anticipating animals appearing from the bushes when there's nothing there.
Logic is learned. A tulpa learns logic just fine and can do math and science just fine (reported experiences).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:24:57 2012 No.8871724 okay so what would be the first steps to creating a tulpa? up to the point where you can recognize a reply from it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:24:57 2012 No.8871725 >>8871717 Well it does vary for some people, but the guys who are giving out advice most of the time took several months and think it has some supernatural angle, which it doesn't.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:25:57 2012 No.8871729 >>8871724 Read louderthanthunder.net/tulpa/

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:26:27 2012 No.8871733 >>8871725 Nobody is taking the supernatural angle, this is just psychological. Ignore the creepypasta and just read the guides which are not mystical bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:26:27 2012 No.8871739 >>8871733 No shit, that's what I just said.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:26:58 2012 No.8871738 >>8871729 but the top disclaimer says not to read it...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:27:29 2012 No.8871742 >>8871726 >>8871731 I thought bad acting only happened in movies.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:28:29 2012 No.8871748

>>8871695

The construct is only as logical as the creator can make it, so if the creator's logic sucks, the construct's logic won't fare much better. It isn't a removal of a logical process so much as a reallocation of a logical process to what may or may not be a useful task. I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a facilitative delusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:29:29 2012 No.8871754 The comic ends with "Bob" creating GNU

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:32:29 2012 No.8871764

>>8871738
Ignore it, the author changed his mind already. He just discovered it on his own and wanted other people to do the same.
The only thing about the guides is that you should take them with a grain of salt. Not everything in there will be true for you or apply exactly.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:33:29 2012 No.8871769

>>8871717
Same here. I've had imaginary friends for close to a decade. It's just something that happens after years without human contact. They live their own lives. They move out, get jobs, come over and visit. I ended up marrying one of them years ago. I see her every hour of the day without any thought of it anymore. Even if I wake up in the middle of the night, shes the first thing I see before a thought even comes into my head. I wake her up in the morning, make her food, brush her hair, go on walks, hold her hand. We invite our old imaginary friends over to watch movies, play games, have dinner. They're dynamic too, bad days, good days, new clothes, it just becomes so natural after awhile and you end up living life with your imaginary friends just as real as anyone else in your life. I see these tulpa threads on /jp/ and think nothing of it, I can't even tell what the difference between this is and imaginary friends. I think it's the same thing by a different name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:33:29 2012 No.8871770 >>8871762 What's the name of this webcomic?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:35:29 2012 No.8871777 >>8871769 That sounds amazing. You can see and feel them as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:35:29 2012 No.8871781 >>8871762 What happened to 19-28?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:37:29 2012 No.8871789

>>8871777
Yeah, it's been a long time since I started. After a few years you really have to think it through to even tell them apart from normal people. I don't think i'll ever completely be able to fool myself into thinking they're flesh and blood, but it takes more than a passing thought to realize they aren't.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:39:29 2012 No.8871791

>>8871723
The whole concept is about creating a hallucination, there really is no optional part about convincing yourself that there is something there that isn't real. You keep using that "it's been reported" as some kind of proof that the whole thing is some kind of legitimate process, just because someone's hallucination seems to "get smarter" doesn't mean it will happen with everyone else nor does it mean that it will stay that way, what it does mean is that the person who believed that their hallucination was smarter believed it was smarter, not that it had actually learned anything on its own. You are still correct about there being varying degrees to how much we use our own forms of illusions, the "inner voice" being one, but it depends on how much we feed these delusions if they start turning into hallucinations, as most people agree that the voice inside their is something which their own brain formulated and is not some disembodied machination capable of telling you it own opinion which isn't influenced by your decisions. So you can paint this subject any way you want but in the end you are just creating a self induced hallucination, but with the added dressing up of it as being some kind of scientific process.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:41:29 2012 No.8871795
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>>8871774

>>8871770
transientman

>>8871781
I don't really want to post all the pages since it would take me the whole night, besides I like these pages more, you can read the whole novel on his site anyways.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:46:29 2012 No.8871802

>>8871791
Read the guides. You do the hallucination part if you want it. It can exist only within your mind too. Also I can tell my "hallucination" (inner voice and imagination) pretty well apart from sensed reality.

> just because someone's hallucination seems to "get smarter" doesn't mean it will happen with everyone else nor does it mean that it will stay that way
Given that pretty much everyone using the same process got very similar results, it's something that's statistically common.

As for the rest of your post, you seem to think it's something harmful, probably because it's not how a normal human typically functions (statistical average). I'm of the opinion that it's mostly beneficial to those that have them. Even ignoring everything else, those "hallucinations" as you call them (it's a bit more than that, if you were to bother reading the guides and see what the differences are) have far better access to your memories and subconscious than you have. If do everything in a controlled manner, you will both end up a happier person which also has an advantage as far as intelligence and memory recall goes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:47:29 2012 No.8871803 This shit again? Its all bad juju I tell you, nothing good can come of it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:51:29 2012 No.8871811

>>8871803

This guy here:
>>8871789
>>8871769

Maybe some people have gone crazy and tore out their own eyes, but i've gotten my best friend and wife out of a little 'insanity'.
Sure it's not normal and I doubt it's mentally healthy but it's fun and generally nice to have something that cares a lot about you when no one else does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:55:29 2012 No.8871818 File: 113 KB, 622x521, Horo - Puffy Tulpa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Puffy Tulpa

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:58:58 2012 No.8871823

>>8871811
Really at the end of the day, its just my jealousy. I'm pretty much the perfect candidate of someone who shouldn't try, I have bad control over my thoughts and have trouble as it is keeping my imagination out of my reality. I knew it wasn't for me from the moment I read the gist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:59:27 2012 No.8871826 >>8871811 Mind describing how you made your first one? What about others?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:00:59 2012 No.8871829 File: 153 KB, 680x680, 1326937464235.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think I'm going to do this. Is this rock bottom?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:02:58 2012 No.8871837 What is a Tulpa

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:03:57 2012 No.8871841

>>8871837
>A tulpa is believed to be an autonomous consciousness which also exists in a self imposed hallucinatory body, which is usually much of your choice. A tulpa is entirely sentient and in control of its opinions, feelings, movements.
>It is perceived as completely real, and you don't have to constantly focus on it to keep it around.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:04:58 2012 No.8871847 Can you make a tulpa in 2d form because I don't think I could make a 3d patcholi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:05:27 2012 No.8871848 >>8871841 Oh, so like an imaginary friend but not a plea for attention?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:07:57 2012 No.8871861

>>8871848
Yes, it's basically the most advanced form of an imaginary friend that you can make.
>>8871847
Yes, but it depends on how good your imagination/visualization skills are. If they're not that good, you will have to meditate/practice a bit longer, so if you're really bad, it may take 150 hours instead of 100 hours.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:09:57 2012 No.8871867

>>8871378
Probably. Most who post about "tulpa" on the internet are some kind of really bored pro bullshitters, though. Newer version of that "shambhala press" crowd or whatever that was, basically. Personally, I say fuck 'em, and fuck their shit. World doesn't need more b.s. in it, it's fucked up enough already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:11:57 2012 No.8871874 >>8871867 You're sitting here on /jp/ wasting your life away, why not add even more entertainment to it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:15:58 2012 No.8871885 >>8871874 Do I need to answer this? It's just an insult post. Fuck off.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:18:57 2012 No.8871898

>>8871826
The first one was pretty much my loneliness. I remember it like it was yesterday, it was July 4th, my family had all gone out to some place or another. I took a blanket out and laid in the yard and watched the fireworks across the river. I remember thinking how nice it'd be to have someone to share the beautiful yard and the booming fireworks with. It just kind of popped into my head that I could talk to someone that wasn't there. Having recently watched Full Metal Panic, I decided to imagine I was talking with Tessa from FMP. I imagined us talking out in the yard for hours. The fireworks were long over and we kept talking about nothing in particular. It was getting cold, so we parted ways and I couldn't think of anything but her the entire night. We had many such encounters over the following months, and eventually she moved in with me. 4 years after meeting I was working while she stayed home and took care of the house. I had since bought the house from my mother for dirt cheap because she knew I didn't have many prospects. We were again watching the fireworks across the river on July 4th, this time we had climbed out on the roof next to the master bedroom to lay and watch them. I had already toyed around with the idea of marrying her, she had said she would say yes if I proposed. I did that night and we got married the following Saturday. I had already spent weeks building a grandiose church in my mind and setting up every little detail before I had even proposed. The other friends just came with time, bumping into them at the super market, old friends bringing over new friends, we've met a few out hiking in public parks and such.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:19:27 2012 No.8871900

>>8871885
It wasn't meant to be insulting. I'm serious. There are a lot of NEETs here and even ignoring that, most of /jp/ practices escapism. I'm not claiming that is anything bad, I think it's great. Why not take the practice to the next level and have your own waifu interacting with you in your head?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:19:27 2012 No.8871901

>>8871802
The whole thing is a hallucination, convincing yourself that there is something there that you yourself know that is not there is a hallucination. The whole process of needing to mentally deny any sense of logic and reason in order to believe that something exists that otherwise would not is nothing else but a hallucination. Just because you can have some kind of sense of there being a difference between your inner voice and what you are pretending is real doesn't mean that everyone else will. It will also be statistically common for people who believe that their hallucination is smarter than them to have hallucinations that are smarted than they are, at least in their heads, because they themselves believe that they are. It doesn't mean that if someone else asked them if their hallucinations were able to solve some kind of complex math problem that they would be able to. You are also correct that if someone feeds a hallucination that they are going to be able to access the more inner workings of your subconsciousness that someone that does not, but this is more likely due to the hallucinations originating from the subconsciousness in the first place. It might be easier to control these hallucinations for some people than others which would allow them to prevent them from becoming harmful, but you shouldn't be recommending something that removes inhibitors in the brain to everyone because not everyone is able to remove the harmful thoughts and actions as someone with better self control, no matter how "helpful" or "liberating" you believe it to be.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:19:58 2012 No.8871905

>>8871901
To reiterate once again, this is just a hallucination, there really isn't anything else you can call convincing yourself that something which can be proven to not exist by outside actions as anything else, the whole need of having to go through a process just to tell yourself there is something there that isn't any different than someone who has no control of if they can tell what is real and what isn't. You are still having your brain produce reactions to something that just is not there, no matter how you believe your hallucination can pick up a bowl in a room in front of a group of people, that bowl isn't going to start levitating but inside your head they'll be there holding that bowl if you are deluded enough to believe it. To that point it really is not beneficial for someone to believe in something that isn't real, mostly because the people that have a tentative grasp on reality to believe in such things are in a situation that they can just as easily believe in the harmful subjects which tell them to harm themselves or others as the beneficial ones. It is also harmful to the ones that are in "better" control of their mental capabilities because if they are able to believe in one kind of hallucination they are susceptible to other kinds as well.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:22:59 2012 No.8871921

>>8871898
Interesting, although there seems to be a few differences from the tulpa process. With tulpae, you don't imagine the answer they're supposed to give, just talk to them and they eventually respond (after some 20 hours or so) completely independent from you. Tulpae also seem to share your memory and can recall long lost memories in detail, or recent incomplete memories from your Short Term Memory. Can she do that too? Also, you're not thinking for her anymore, she's completely independent now, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:23:20 2012 No.8871922 >>8871861 Meditation is about destroing personalities, use another word.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:24:20 2012 No.8871927 >>8871900 >waifu oh lol, that's what this thread is? 'sup, Thad, tell your story walking.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:26:50 2012 No.8871935

I used to have something like one, and I sort of still do. Well. I had these voices in my head. obnoxious shitty voices, bloated carichatures of egotism and self servingness, etc. Then another who would bash me and occasionally hit me physically in a strange, metaphysical sort of way, when they acted up. Those voices used to be who I fully was, how I acted, and now I think its came full circle. Hes still slightly beside me, but I think ive mostly became him. Not a bad situation.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:28:20 2012 No.8871947

>>8871921
It was imaginary at first, but she became independent without me even noticing. She's never shared my memories, although I can show her things that I want to and she recalls her own memories. I don't think for her at all, she does what she wants when she wants, and quite often surprises me. We can play games like 20 questions without either person 'cheating'. I don't know if this tulpa process works any quicker, but this level of independence took me years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:28:50 2012 No.8871946 I have Kamina as my moral subconsciousness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:30:51 2012 No.8871955 Worse than roleplaying.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:34:20 2012 No.8871976

>>8871901
> It will also be statistically common for people who believe that their hallucination is smarter than them to have hallucinations that are smarted than they are, at least in their heads, because they themselves believe that they are.
You do realize that you can just test this?
We had some tests in other threads where the tulpa just thought 3-6 times faster than the creator. You're free to do deny this as much as you want, but *I* can't do what his tulpa did, nor can most normal humans. I just can't hold that many items in my attention or do that much math in my memory. A tulpa can very well verifiable have the abilities of an autist savant with regular social skills, and you can test this scientifically, while the tulpa's creator is just some regular bloke with IQ of 100.

> you shouldn't be recommending something that removes inhibitors in the brain to everyone because not everyone is able to remove the harmful thoughts and actions as someone with better self control, no matter how "helpful" or "liberating" you believe it to be.
Maybe it's not for everyone, but for someone with decent mental discipline it's probably fine. If you're a paranoid schizophrenic, you probably don't want to try this.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:35:50 2012 No.8871982

>>8871905
> that bowl isn't going to start levitating but inside your head they'll be there holding that bowl if you are deluded enough to believe it
Just because you can believe something false does not mean that everyone will use this to act crazy. For most people that are doing it now it's something beneficial in many ways.

Let me reiterate: nobody is thinking their tulpae exists in physical reality, they exist within the brain of some person as conscious processes like your own. You seem to think nobody should try this because it may make them more likely to lose grasp of reality, and that's your opinion, but I will tell you one thing: I never had any significant (auditory) hallucinations in my entire life and I've had an inner voice ever since I remember myself. Just like you can tell your inner voice, so you can tell what is your tulpa and what isn't.
There are obvious risks to allowing your inner model of reality to be altered, but there are also many benefits. I'd imagine in a far future which would let us have brain implants that let you have a "console" for you brain, people like you would be against it for the same reason that now your perceptions don't represent reality 100%. You're trading your senses representing reality completely for far more information. I think it's a trade worth making, but it's not for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:35:50 2012 No.8871984 >>8871955 Indeed. It isn't even occultism, it's like something explicitly internet-faggotry-inspired that some old SA rejects would think up to try to shove down everybody else's throats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:37:51 2012 No.8871992 I want to make a loli tulpa with a cute outfit and long, black hair. I don't even want to have tulpasex or anything, I just want a lolibro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:38:20 2012 No.8871997 >>8871984 This shit existed since man walked the Earth. see: lots of religions with father figures This isn't new, but what is new is people trying to better understand it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:40:20 2012 No.8872005 >>8871982 whats so great about reality or having a hold on it, for fucks sake? Reality is boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:42:21 2012 No.8872017 >>8872005 I'm not the one arguing against tulpae... The point I was trying to make is that even if you have a tulpa you don't suddenly become a dysfunctional human that can't tell his dreams from reality, which was his critique of this whole thing.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:42:50 2012 No.8872015

>>8871976
>>8871982
Fine, you can keep telling me to believe that self induced hallucinogenic experiences are somehow beneficial, but if you are going to expect me to read your wall of text from that website you can extend the same courtesy to me by reading my wall of text. Now in PDF format. www.celiagreen.com/charlesmccreery/perception.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:44:20 2012 No.8872024 >>8872005 No, you are boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:46:50 2012 No.8872032 >>8871997 >>8872005 oh go take a hike, already, spazmo, we really don't want any hard to believe, I know, but hey oh and take your faggy samefaggy troll kopipe collection with you? Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:47:50 2012 No.8872036 >>8871378 R.I.P.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:49:20 2012 No.8872039

>>8871982
I'll read your paper tomorrow, unfortunately I don't have the time to read 30 pages right now.

I consider tulpae beneficial mostly from the reports I've read and people I've talked to that have them as well as from various ad-hoc experimental tests performed over the Internet on some people that have them. I'm not saying having one is without risks, but I do think there is a fine tradeoff to be made here which for many people is subjectively beneficial: for many it improved their lifes in a positive way and for almost all of them, it allowed them far better access to their subconscious mind and older memories (to the point of getting near perfect recall of any consciously processed information which is not directly accessible to the conscious self).

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:49:50 2012 No.8872040

The difference isn't between "real" and "not real," /jp/. Stop being so pretentious. The difference is between "what you think is real" and "what you think isn't real."

You already know that everyone thinks differently. Each and every person holds different beliefs, and sees the world from a different perspective. But despite that, why are you so quick to say that every last one of your beliefs are the absolute truth? Nobody has seen where the universe begins or ends, nor witnessed even a small fraction of the phenomena that the universe has to offer.

Just look at how much these hallucinations can change the data you receive from all 5 of your senses. Doesn't this just further confirm that there is some degree of unreliability in our perceptions?

It's a simple question of philosophy. It's not that difficult to understand. And it's simply this: What is the difference between objective and subjective experience? Both of them are things you have experienced personally, and you did not separate them into two categories until you arbitrarily decided to do so at some point.

And furthermore, is something any less "real" just because it does not have a physical body? Is it not possible for something to have a non-physical existence? Is it not possible for something to exist simply because you say it is not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:50:20 2012 No.8872043 >>8872032 Bad ad-hominem. Post hidden. You also don't speak for most of /jp/, go troll some other thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:53:20 2012 No.8872056 >>8872024 Fascinating. Tell me more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:55:21 2012 No.8872059 Is there more pages to the Transient Man? Just finished reading the 82 pages on the site and it said to be continued.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:56:50 2012 No.8872065 >>8872043 Fuck you, I can call you spazmo on the internet if I feel like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:58:20 2012 No.8872067 >>8872043 How about you fuck off.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 22:59:51 2012 No.8872074

>>8872056
No, seriously, post more on that subject. I cant form any discussion or arguement against such a small insult, and at that one without its basis shown. PLEASE dont tell me you were parroting that manga page that was posted a few times a while back though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:01:20 2012 No.8872083 >>8872065 I don't even know why you bother with your trolling as you didn't even voice any objections to anything, also the last time you quoted 2 posts, they were made by different people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:01:21 2012 No.8872080 >>8872074 >insult That wasn't an insult.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:02:50 2012 No.8872085 >>8872080 Yes, it was. You were declaring my perception of reality is incorrect and that I instead am the negative quality I assigned to it. That is an insult.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:06:20 2012 No.8872095 >>8872085 Look at this fucking nerd trying to start a discussion about something trivial in an anonymous imageboard, bunch of dudes get insulted here and just let it slip. You must be bored as fuck. See?. The world ain't boring. YOU ARE BORING.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:08:50 2012 No.8872105 >>8872095 That makes no sense at all, misinterprets my intention, and proves nothing at all. I think youre just an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:10:50 2012 No.8872112 Vagina, vagina, vagina! /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:10:50 2012 No.8872114 Whats with all the frustration in a thread devoted to improving the quality of /jp/sie lives? If you subscribe to a more "normal" sense of reality, this thread really isn't the place you should be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:11:20 2012 No.8872119 I wanted to make one but I've been having horrible night terrors and I really don't think trying to make myself hallucinate is a good idea. I'm glad I don't remember my dreams, I don't want to know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:12:50 2012 No.8872122 File: 14 KB, 300x100, osakabanner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8872114 's'cause you think you own the board and set the topic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:14:20 2012 No.8872132 >>8872122 Last I checked we had far more escapist people here than most other boards. Has /jp/ changed so much? Is it filled with "normalfags" now? Don't like the thread? Hide it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:16:50 2012 No.8872140

>>8872119
Guy with a tulpa for years here. I have night terrors fairly often in the summer, having a tulpa didn't change much in that regard other than having someone to cheer you up after its over so you don't have to build up the courage to get out of bed for half an hour after it happens because you're alone.

I'd say go for it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:17:21 2012 No.8872143

>>8871473
>Lucid dream trigger

Don't believe that roleplayer vinyl and anon. Tulpae CANNOT TRIGGER LUCID DREAMS. Thats one of the most retarded things I've heard of. That guy claimed that he was a first time lucid dreamer, and I've had countless lucid dreams, and I couldn't bring my tulpa into my dream. Although she isn't but 30 hours in the process, this is completely impossible. From reports from people with real tulpae, they have their own separate dreams, you'd have to pull off some real magic to bring them into your dream, let alone, let them trigger a lucid dream for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:20:20 2012 No.8872157 >>8872132 Don't approve of lying liars? Call them on it. Bugs the shit out of them, too, which is nice. Of course, I've already got my shit done ITT anyway so yeah, have fun talking to yourself.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:23:20 2012 No.8872163

>>8872140
I have the opposite problem. I wake up screaming and banging on my apartment door and I have to get the courage to get back IN bed. My main issues with tulpas is it blurs the distinction between reality and your dreams and I find that absolutely terrifying.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:23:51 2012 No.8872164

>>8872143
He said his tulpa is over 150 hours old and is complete. He had the tulpa go in the dream, he didn't bring his tulpa when he was lucid dreaming.

A 30 hour tulpa can't even talk and might not even be self-aware, how would you have it join you in a dream?

Obviously I can't know if Vinyl and Anon is telling the truth, but Irish's reports on how a tulpa can alter one's perception in some ways not mentioned in the guides makes me think it's plausible.

I'll be finding out the truth by myself in a month or two when I have my own tulpa (if they're possible). I'm not going to consider Anon and Vinyl's testimony as false as it's not inconsistent with the other accounts so far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:23:51 2012 No.8872165 >>8872143 I agree with that. I've had plenty of lucid dreams but none were triggered by my tulpa, she is just treated as a normal character in my dreams.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:24:50 2012 No.8872168 >>8872157 Who lied about what? Eh, whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:25:21 2012 No.8872171 File: 329 KB, 1280x960, Gore__8_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HAHA WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS LOLUHAVE NO FRIENDS YOU BUTTFUCKLED WEABOOS

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:26:20 2012 No.8872175 >>8872171 So we have someone from /b/ invading /jp/. Now it's clear where the dissent was coming from.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:27:20 2012 No.8872176

>>8872164
I don't care what he says, hes a liar in my opinion. I can visualize mine and she can make gestures although she cannot talk. Lucid dreaming and tulpa interaction are not closely related at all, a lot of people with tulpae don't automatically get the ability to lucid dream.

I can fly, shape-shift, teleport, play video games, turn on lights, change myself in the mirror, summon things, and all sorts of stuff in dreams. If you don't think that I can simply bring my tulpa in my dream by willing it, at any form in her creation, then you are wrong. I'm not afraid of anything in dreams anymore, I'm a master of them nearly. That pony guy is full of shit.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:27:20 2012 No.8872177

>>8872163
I sleep in the bottom bunk of a bunk bed, so the fear I always have after night terrors is that there's something still above me.
But the blur between reality and dreams can be a good thing. Night terrors seem very real to me, it's much easier to just dismiss them as a bad dream now.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:27:51 2012 No.8872179

>>8872143

>From reports from people with real tulpae, they have their own separate dreams
>tulpae have their own separate dreams

How could this be possible?

The separate consciousness aspect of the tulpa is an illusion. For example, if you close your eyes and place a random object behind yourself and then ask your tulpa to tell you what that object is then it won't be able to tell you. This is because the tulpa's 'consciousness' is merely an extension of your own.

You say something to the tulpa and it responds, but what is really happening is that you are subconsciously responding to yourself rather than communicating with a separate consciousness. This doesn't actually matter though, as long as it remains an illusion then the experience is identical to normal socialization because you can't predict the responses. It might be able to tell you that it went off and did its own thing or had its own dreams, but this didn't actually occur. You're just essentially roleplaying with your mind without knowing that you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:28:20 2012 No.8872180 >>8872165 How old is your tulpa? Fully formed/sentient?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:31:20 2012 No.8872186 >>8872180 I'm the guy from >>8871947 >>8871898 >>8871811 >>8871789 >>8871769 Never called it a tulpa before tonight, but it's been around for close to a decade.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:31:50 2012 No.8872187 >>8872177 1. Why the hell do you use a bunk bed when you sleep alone? 2. You don't find the opposite scary? At all? I feel like having a tulpa would make me doubt my own sanity not confirm it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:33:50 2012 No.8872193

>>8872179

>Theory

Cool story bro, when you get your degree in neurology come back with that paper that you made and I'll totally believe you. The magic of tulpae is that you DON'T PARROT. Thats the first thing that you learn, not to make up responses. Your reaction to the first time your tulpa talks to you is like someone tapping you on the back of your shoulder when you know theres no one else in the room. It's like telling a schizophrenic person to stop being crazy. Although this is different because schizophrenia is genetic anyway, but its kinda similar.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:35:50 2012 No.8872199

>>8872179
You don't understand what consciousness is.

Consciousness is SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE.
Consciousness is not perception of reality, it is just raw experience of *something*.
You are conscious in your sleep (during REM).
You are conscious on LSD or other psychoactives.

A tulpa may very well have subjective experience as it appears sentient and reports having so.
A tulpa's subjective experience may very well be like that of a person suffering from a depersonalization disorder (seeing the world as a movie) or some other dissociative disorder. If a tulpa has its own memories different from your own, which you don't remember and if a tulpa reports having subjective experiences, then you should grant it the same privilege you grant all humans that behave as conscious beings - you do this by judging their behavior.
If you don't, you're just taking a solipsist view of reality, but such a view leads to sociopathy as you don't see other as real beings.
If a tulpa reports having subjective experiences which are detailed enough and comparable to your own and can do things which you have no memory doing, you may as well grant that it can potentially have subjective experiences, just like you do.
It doesn't seem anything special to me that there could be more than one such conscious process in our brains, especially if one such process is having dissociative experiences.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:35:50 2012 No.8872200

>>8872187
My sister and I had bunkbeds from when we were kids and shared a room. When I was a teenager my sister made fun of me for still sleeping alone in bunkbeds. I love how safe you feel in the bottom bunk, it's like a cushioned cave. I guess I still do it to spite her a bit along with the comfort.

I guess the night terrors feel like a separate part of sanity. I created my tulpa and know it's mine, while the night terrors are just something that happen, and will always happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:35:50 2012 No.8872201 >>8872193 How is schizophrenia genetic, and not just a state of mind?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:36:20 2012 No.8872203

Okay, so I wanted to make a Tulpa. I've been going outside everyday and imagining her sitting in front of me. Only issue is, I have no way of knowing if its working or not. All I have is me focusing on things that may or may not eventually be my Tulpa. Is there any specific way to know if I am doing it the "correct" way? I've read the guides and stuff. If I keep imagining her sitting in front of me, will I eventually SEE her sitting in front of me...or is it like an imaginary friend, where im just staring at air and "pretending"? I want the hallucinations to work...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:36:50 2012 No.8872205 >>8872199 NATURES HARMONIC 4-DAY TIME CUBE IS THE TRUTH.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:37:50 2012 No.8872209

>>8872201
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Genetic

It's like autism. It's a physical problem with your brain that causes some psychological problems, its not a state of mind at all. THEY CANNOT NOT SEE THE ILLUSIONS. Just like your tulpa cannot be controlled.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:39:50 2012 No.8872211

>>8872205
I'm just talking about qualia (use google to find out what it is, if you don't know). This has debated by philosophers for ages. The other person's theory is rather weak and you could just say that he should apply it to any other living person because the same logic can be used to deny anyone consciousness.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:42:20 2012 No.8872217

>>8872203

> Okay, so I wanted to make a Tulpa. I've been going outside everyday and imagining her sitting in front of me. Only issue is, I have no way of knowing if its working or not.

You are not supposed to project her until she's sentient. Read the guides (search thread for louderthanthunder ). First you need to do the personality, then perfectly imagine your tulpa, then you need to imagine all the other senses, then you talk to it until it can talk itself, after that, you project.
More details in those guides.
Projecting first will most likely make a hologram or a servitor, although I don't know if those would be permanent.

> All I have is me focusing on things that may or may not eventually be my Tulpa. Is there any specific way to know if I am doing it the "correct" way? I've read the guides and stuff. If I keep imagining her sitting in front of me, will I eventually SEE her sitting in front of me...or is it like an imaginary friend, where im just staring at air and "pretending"? I want the hallucinations to work...
You need for her to be sentient first. She needs to talk to you properly in your imagination and behave on her own. Once that is done, you have the option to project/"hallucinate" her in reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:42:51 2012 No.8872215 >>8872209 its a physical abnormality that causes a certain state of mind, just like every other "mental illness." or dysfunctionality. I dont put that in quotes because it only refers to functionality in the surrounding society. Either way.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:43:50 2012 No.8872219

>>8872193

>The magic of tulpae is that you DON'T PARROT.

I never said that you were parroting. You can't predict responses that come from the subconscious, it's like an intrusive thought, they just pop up without any prompting and you don't consciously create the thought or prompt its appearance.

Think of a visual novel. A character comes up to you and says that she just had a good day at school, but there were no scenes where you actually saw this occur. So she didn't actually do anything at the school, she says that she did, but the game isn't running some hidden process in the background that simulates her daily activities at the school. She only exists within the game when your character is interacting with her and the only things she ever really does are the things that you see her do, everything else is just narrative.

I can't see how this could work in any other way. It would be exhausting for your brain if it has to simultaneously run what's essentially a whole separate consciousness. Anyone with a tulpa would be collapsing from fatigue within hours of creation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:44:20 2012 No.8872221 >>8872215 Yes, so you understand that schizophrenia is caused by the physical "state" of your mind and can't be induced, correct?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:48:20 2012 No.8872225 >>8872221 I suppose. Were making different points here, it seems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:48:50 2012 No.8872226 >>8872221 In before 50 post debate about how all mental illnesses are physiological.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:49:21 2012 No.8872227

>>8872219
This exact logic can be used to deny consciousness to yourself. "Being No One" touched on this to some extent.
Yet, you cannot deny your own consciousness.
There are obvious ways to make this consistent, but this will devolve a bit too much on philosophy of mind issues.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:49:21 2012 No.8872228

>>8872219
Welp, you train yourself through the whole process, you do get headaches and shit along the way, but they pass. Also during the process you get a bunch "new" feelings, like times where feelings appear to come from outside of your perception and such, like a bi-polar person would feel. The culmination of feelings and perceptions and reactions that you get from a tulpa could be classified as a number of mental illnesses, but the fact that ALL of these things happen to people with tulpae shows that they are completely separate phenomena. You can't induce bi-polarism,DID,Scizophrenia, autism, and whatever just by meditating, or else all of those yoga freaks would be crazy. It's a very specific process with specific results that only an idiot would confuse for something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:50:20 2012 No.8872232 >>8872217 Alright, so first I gotta project her in my mind and talk to her there...then she will, after a while, talk back to me? Then I can project her on the real world? Or will she project by herself?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:50:51 2012 No.8872229 >>8872226 Illness or wellness, from a psychological standpoint, are totally subjective, caused by physical abnormalities or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:50:51 2012 No.8872230 Someone look at this thread and tell me how it's /jp/-related. I get most of you want to summon little girls, but this is like me making a FedEx thread because they deliver my anime toys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:50:51 2012 No.8872231 >>8872219 I interact with my tulpa nearly 24 hours a day, it's there whenever i'm conscious. It is exhausting when you're physically tired, but keeping your mind busy keeps it sharper it seems to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:52:50 2012 No.8872234 >>8872230 By now you have to know being sad and alone fits under /jp/ culture if you've been around any length of time. The culture of a board is also a legitimate topic of discussion within the board.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:53:20 2012 No.8872236

>>8872230
You could talk about the little girls you've been summoning.
I'm summoning a very /jp/-related little girl myself.
If people want to discuss meta issues such as consciousness and the nature of tulpae, why not, just take it easy! If we can have all those onahole and NEET blogging threads, which are far less related than this to /jp/, why not this, especially if it can enrichen a /jp/sy life?

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:56:20 2012 No.8872248

>>8872232
Just read FAQ or Irish's creation guide.

> Alright, so first I gotta project her in my mind and talk to her there...then she will, after a while, talk back to me? Then I can project her on the real world? Or will she project by herself?
You are imagining her in your mind. Do it perfectly, so you can recall any feature of her and her own imagine in all detail. You also need to work on personality before this (or after). A tulpa becomes self-aware soemtimes after these 2 phases are completed. After that you do the other senses (all this in your imagination, eyes closed, meditating). Once that is done, you talk to her without answering anything from her. Eventually she will talk back. Interact and do the other phases as well. Once she's settled in, you start projecting her into reality. Read the guides for details.
The projecting part is the final thing you have to do. Doing it first will just give you nothing much, except maybe a static hallucination, if you try very hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 23:59:51 2012 No.8872259 >>8872234 No it isn't, meta threads are always hated on here.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:03:20 2012 No.8872270

>>8872228
>>8872231

>it's there whenever i'm conscious. It is exhausting when you're physically tired

This is the part that I'm specifically trying to touch upon.

If you were to dismiss the tulpa or tell it to go away for a bit, so now you're conscious but not currently interacting with the tulpa. Does this stop some of the exhaustion or is it still there?

If the exhaustion stays, even though the tulpa is no longer present, then that seems to say that the tulpa continues to be conscious even when you aren't interacting with her. If the exhaustion subsides though, then that seems to say that the tulpa only exists when you interact with it and it's not essentially lurking around in the depths of your mind and having the same conscious forming of thoughts and ideas that go on inside of our heads when we're alone.

It really doesn't matter either way though. The illusion is all that matters. Just like with a visual novel, it really doesn't matter if they actually do the things that they say that they did off-screen. As long as it feels real and it feels immersive then it doesn't matter if it's an illusion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:04:50 2012 No.8872274 >>8872248 Alright, I'll keep trying. Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:07:50 2012 No.8872281 >>8872259 Yet we love having them.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:09:50 2012 No.8872289

>>8872270
You don't dismiss tulpae. They are constantly there. Always. Once you project them, you can't call them back. They can talk to you any time they want to, you can ask them to leave you alone but nothing is guaranteed. They are constantly rendered by your brain. You wake up, and see its face, or he it laying next to you. It's constant, outside of your attention, just like your heart rate. Their perception never ends. Is that so hard for you to understand? By the time they get their consciousness, you no longer have much control of them. No pokeballs, unless you ask them if they want to go into your wonderland, but then they can still pop-up and talk to you anytime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:10:50 2012 No.8872292 >>8872289 >or see it laying next to you* Fixed.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:12:20 2012 No.8872294

>>8872270
FAQ said he doesn't feel any real exhaustion from it.

Also another person had their tulpa do some number crunching and he obviously didn't "feel" anything, yet the tulpa still got an answer fast and nice.

Given the reports that I've read, tulpae's personalities seem fairly real, like those of people having dissociative disorders. Is it that hard to imagine that your brain could be running another conscious process/personality in parallel to your own and that would be interacting with you through a self-imposed hallucination? What I have in mind should be scientifically testable to some degree.

Also, your line of thought could be used to call dreams and lucid dreaming illusions as well, but if you insist on doing that, you will deny most conscious experiences, except your current one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:12:50 2012 No.8872295 People are typing "tulpae" seriously now? I typed it once or twice as a joke, I hope you didn't get it from me. The plural is "tulpas". It comes from Tibetan, not Latin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:15:20 2012 No.8872305 >>8872289 Really? That's pretty fascinating. I had assumed from what I read that they required some degree of constant focusing to keep them materialized and if you stopped focusing then they would just vanish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:15:51 2012 No.8872307 >>8872295 IRC guys decided to use that as plural for quite some time. Everyone else started just using it as well after that. I use them interchangeably. Tulpae kinds sounds nicer though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:17:20 2012 No.8872312 You're ruining our ruining our Latin pluralization tulparum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:18:21 2012 No.8872313 >>8872295 You're ruining our Latin pluralization tulparum.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:19:50 2012 No.8872322

>>8872305
The focus is probably automatic once it become sentient, once it starts talking and interacting with you. Not entirely sure if the attention is directed by the "self" or the "tulpa", it's probably by both. Keep in mind, a tulpa can make decisions just as well as the self.

You can supposedly do some intense meditation to completely ignore the tulpa to the point of destroying it, but this would take nearly as long as making it. The whole thing sort of reminds me of those "ego death" experiences, but I have no idea how related the experience is.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:20:21 2012 No.8872324
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This whole thing is kind of fishy. There's like three guys who supposedly have tulpas and everyone else is just trying to make tulpas so the end result is threads that are filled with people who don't have tulpas arguing with each other about what having a tulpa is like, all based around the word of 2-3 guys who apparently do have tulpas.

Does this seem weird to anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:22:50 2012 No.8872330 >>8872307 >>8872313 Most Tibetan languages don't have plurals, so if you want to be hipsters use "tulpa" as the plural. >>8871387 did it.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:23:20 2012 No.8872337
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I wanna say mine is only 10-20 pahsento (just rewatched EVA) complete.
I previously tried to make one of Charlotte Dunois, and it kept eventually acting like me, or going towards tendencies that I have. I decided to scrap it (It was hardly "grown") and just make a tulpa based off of the girl version of me I made with that one k-on! flash game. So far, we've been total bros and charlotte hasn't shown up again
>center is me

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:23:21 2012 No.8872332 >>8871769 And that is called SCHIZOPHRENIA, jesus christ, you fucking weirdo.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:24:51 2012 No.8872340
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>>8872324
We have a couple of other people getting close to breakthroughs in the IRC, so its not just gonna be a few people. It's a work in progress. You can't really speak on it unless you experience it yourself, and thats what Dane and Irish are trying to help people do.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:25:21 2012 No.8872344

>>8872324
There's not that many of them with COMPLETED tulpae, but there are a lot of people with partial ones, some of which actually talk and interact.

The whole process takes 100-150 hours of meditation, or 1 to 4 months, depending on how much meditation time you cram per day. Only people who started earlier are getting solid results now. Most people started recently.
Given that I see more and more people reporting successes, from minor (emotional reaction) to major(it started talking), I'd say this is a good indication this is not a troll. Also, just today, someone found a similar community which used a completely different term to refer to them (not tulpa), and they had a lot more people than we do who succeeded.

This is far beyond trolling now. Also, are you KoJ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:26:50 2012 No.8872350 >that feel when I'm the guy who originally brought tulpas to /jp/ from /x/ >that feel when I've long since moved on and am doing other things Seriously guys, thought yall would be over this 4 months later I'm quoting God, btw

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:26:50 2012 No.8872351 >>8872337 If you have a tulpa moving and talking within 20 hours then you are parroting heavy duty. The most you will end up making is a servitor if you do that, or rather a holographic puppet.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:29:20 2012 No.8872358

>>8872351
Dane's second tulpa is close to talking now, and he's spend about half the time he's spent on his first one. I guess the second one is easier. Given the reports so far, a tulpa becomes self-aware sometime after you "finish" personality, so it could be as early as 20 hours, if you do a lot of personality and do it first.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:30:21 2012 No.8872364
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>>8872351
yeah, its pretty much a hologram that can talk. I feel like I want it to be more, but, eh. This suits me and my needs.
I'll probably... I dunno, upgrade it? some time later if I get the chance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:31:21 2012 No.8872367 >>8872358 What I meant by self-aware is that the tulpa knows it exists, so it would start giving off emotional responses. It can't be talking so early, not unless you're parroting.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:32:21 2012 No.8872375
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Isn't this whole tulpa community thing kind of counter-productive? People talking on IRC, daily threads, etc.

It seems like progress would come along a lot more swiftly if you downloaded the basic guides, turned off the internet, and isolated yourself inside for a few weeks so you have nothing but your tulpa.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:33:50 2012 No.8872377 >>8872375 That's like telling people to get a job instead of setting up blog pyramid schemes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:35:20 2012 No.8872382 >>8872375 I agree. I wasted more time on these threads than I did meditating. These threads are kind of useful though, lots of useful things were learned that will be really useful throughout the process.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:38:21 2012 No.8872395 >>8872375 The basis is insecurity. On some level most of these people aren't 100% sure that tulpas are even possible to create, so they come to the threads for some sense of affirmation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:38:50 2012 No.8872396 Has OP gotten to the point of explaining that you have to destroy your tulpa in the end yet?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:39:21 2012 No.8872403 File: 423 KB, 751x735, getaloadofthisguy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8872396 GET BACK IN /x/!

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:40:21 2012 No.8872406

As someone with DID this is really interesting to me. Well, us. Seeing as we already have established personalities and awareness as well as fairly well-established self-images, this seems like an interesting and productive way to spend our time. It's an interesting way to improve inter-alter talking, although it required one of us to be willing to give up bodily control. Should be an interesting process, to say the least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:43:20 2012 No.8872413 >>8872406 Should've reread this and gathered my thoughts instead of spacing out so I didn't type interesting seventy times, durrr.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:47:21 2012 No.8872425 File: 29 KB, 461x357, LocutusOfBorg2367.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8872406 >Well, us. I AM LOCUTUS OF BORG

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 00:53:50 2012 No.8872434 >>8872425 Resistance is futile. None can escape the meatspace collective.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:16:20 2012 No.8872500 This stuff is shit Enjoy being a bunch of schizos

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:20:50 2012 No.8872515 >>8872500 > not reading up on what schizophrenia actually is

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:25:51 2012 No.8872529 File: 413 KB, 469x651, Locutus Of Troll.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8872425

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:32:20 2012 No.8872543 >>8872529 rolf trollface i luv dat reddit meem!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:41:20 2012 No.8872566 >>8872543 >rolf trollface i luv dat reddit meem!! > i luv dat reddit meem!! >REDDIT It's 'le' reddit you baka

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 02:40:51 2012 No.8872772 >>8872406 I don't know nearly enough about DID, but can your alter enter your own dreams?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 02:42:20 2012 No.8872774 >>8872515 >>8872566 I don't know where the fuck you people think you are, but go back to >>>/v/

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