[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/jp/ - Otaku Culture

View post   
  [?]In ghost mode, only threads with non-archived posts will be shown
File: 35 KB, 400x273, hikikomori.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9995901 No.9995901[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

What's the difference between a NEET and a hikkimori? Is there a difference?

>> No.9995908

Yes, since they are both words with entirely different meanings.
Google them

>> No.9995913

A NEET is someone who is Not in Education, Employment or Training.
A hikikomori is someone who refuses to leave their house and isolates themselves from society for at least six months.

Obviously they have other connotations, so don't be a tryhard turboautist who gets upset because someone implied NEETs were bad socially or hikikomori like cartoons.

>> No.9995918

they're the same thing

>> No.9995923

Yes. I am hikki but I'm not NEET because I learn Japanese on my own and recently I also signed up for some online programming courses.

>> No.9995927
File: 7 KB, 959x197, tokyopop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9995927

>>9995918
This. "NEET" was a euphemism that Japan borrowed from Great Britain because you can't really go around calling people hikikomori.

>> No.9995931

>>9995913
>for at least six months

Did you steal that off Wikipedia or something?

>> No.9995932

There's no difference. NEET, hikikomori, otaku, weeb - it's all the same. Don't let some aspie tell you otherwise. It's basically the same as with nerd, geek and loser. Sure, you could go through the trouble of describing the nuances between them, but why would anyone bother?

>> No.9995939

What's the difference between a nigger and a kike? Is there a difference?

>> No.9995936

>>9995931
It's legit. I think it has something to do with moon cycles.

>> No.9995940

I suck cocks.

>> No.9995942

Most NEETs are just lazy normalfags

truNEETs are more like poetic monks trying to unravel the mysteries of space and time.

>> No.9995946

>>9995942
>truNEET
please kill youself

>> No.9995947
File: 41 KB, 450x300, yosef.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9995947

>>9995939
Zero difference.

>> No.9995943

>>9995940
I wish I could suck a cock, but my parents won't let me be gay. ;_____;

>> No.9995956

>>9995943
Suck your' dads' cocks while he sleeping an he gay u be letting.

>> No.9995949

>>9995939
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=614599

>> No.9995951

>>9995927
>>9995932
The only difference is that when they refer to NEETs in official studies they include welfare bums and such in the numbers, per the proper definition.

>> No.9995952

>>9995946
2truNEET4u

>> No.9995953

NEET basically meant Hikikomori until normalfags started using it.

>> No.9995958

>>9995953
No

>> No.9995960 [DELETED] 

yea mate

>> No.9995963

>>9995958
Yes

>> No.9995967
File: 31 KB, 410x463, uwotm8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9995967

>>9995960

>> No.9995968

>>9995963
maybe

>> No.9995970

NEET stands for Not in Education, Employment or Training. That should be straight forward enough. They're perfectly capable of going outside and even enjoy it.
Hikkikomori means shut-in, and these kinds of people don't leave the house no matter what, unless it's a life or death situation. They genuinely fear going outside. They are typically NEET unless they have online jobs or take online college/University courses.

>> No.9995971

NEETs are criminals for the most part.

>> No.9995972

>>9995953
the other way
NEET meant a drunk 60-year old welfare alcoholic until hikki started using it

>> No.9995975

>>9995953
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/引きこもり
You're wrong gaijin.

>> No.9995978

>>9995975
translate that shit, weeb

>> No.9995979

>>9995970
orly?
I take online courses, I don't have social life and I'm hikki...except I leave my house a lot since I run daily, I shop in a grocery store once or twice a week and I don't have problems with social interaction. according to your definitions I don't qualify as either

>> No.9995981

>>9995970 here
Well, "genuinely fear" might be going a bit far, some just don't see the point in going outside and simply don't want to.

>> No.9995982

>>9995971
Nigga I be NEETin' selling weed wit' muh homeboys yo'. Life in da' hood is so fuhking NEET yo.

>> No.9995986

>>9995978
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&
amp;layout=2&eotf=1&u=ja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%E5%BC%95%E3%81%8D%E3%81%93%E3%82%82%E3%82%8
A&act=url

>> No.9995987

>>9995953
>>9995963
>>9995968
>>9995972
You guys are just talking out of your asses what the fuck is wrong with you. Get a life.

>> No.9995993

>>9995979
That's because you don't.

>> No.9995990

>>9995979
>I'm hikki...
>except I leave my house a lot since I run daily, I shop in a grocery store once or twice a week
That's like saying you're a NEET but go to work and attend college courses. Actual hikkikomoris don't go outside at all unless they absolutely have to, there are plenty of people on /jp/ who haven't left the house in years.

>> No.9995997

>>9995981
I'm not afraid of going outside and I see the point in it, I just find it uncomfortable and I already have activities that aren't pointless to do inside so I have no reason to force myself.

>> No.9995998

>>9995986
>Withdrawal

>(You also withdraw cash basket [1] , withdrawal) and the long-term home and shut herself up in her room, social state that you do not want to participate in the activity continues.

>> No.9996006

>>9995998
I gave you a translation. It's really shitty though...

>> No.9996013

>>9995990
then how do they get food?

CHECKMATE

>> No.9996014

>>9995997
Yes, that to. I personally have no reason to go outside, on to of that there's nothing to do around here, so it's better to do something productive or have fun on the internet/whatever else.

>> No.9996009

>>9995979
Please tell me this is ironic shitposting.

>> No.9996018

>>9996013
Order it online or have someone else buy it for you.

>> No.9996028

>>9996013
Their parents buy it for them.

>> No.9996037

>>9996013
You can go outside when there aren't many people. You wear sunglasses with IR LED with a large hoodie that conceals you. At about 1 am you go to the convenience store and pick up the week worth of food.

>> No.9996038

NEET = bum
hikikomori = shut-in, recluse
otaku = nerd, geek, and (if you're not Japanese) weeaboo

We have suitable equivalents for these words already. Use them.

>> No.9996039

>>9996018
>>9996028
Sato was a hiki but he still bought food. Checkmate nerds.

>> No.9996041

>>9996028
but meeting a person once a day, even if it's at the door to get food, is not very hikki, right?
Certainly not less then walking to the grocery store and, basically ,doing the same thing

>> No.9996048

>>9996041
What? You think interacting with your parents and going to the store are on the same level?

>> No.9996051

>>9995990
Plenty of hikikomori in Japan live alone because their parents support them. In fact, that's part of the problem--parents would rather send their kids money so they can live alone in cheap apartments than accept their children as failures and dishonor their Japanese spirit.
Those hikikomori have to eat and buy supplies. Not everything can be delivered. Deliveries still involve some social interaction.

Sato in the Welcome to the NHK novel solved the problem by going to a local 24-hour convenience store late at night. Most Western countries don't really have those, but you can still go to a supermarket and not lose your hikikomori license.

>> No.9996055

I used to be a hikki but I started taking anti-depressants, anti-psychotics and anti-anxiety meds and now I just don't give a fuck. Although I still have to pretend I'm a hikki to keep getting my hikkibux.

>> No.9996068

>>9996041
Your parents knocking on your door and leaving a bag of groceries in front of it is different from interacting with a stranger in the middle of other strangers.
It's even worse when you're interacting with that same stranger over and over again, embarrassing yourself most of the time but not getting any closer to that person. Fuck, that's how some people end up as shut-ins in the first place.

>> No.9996062

>>9996038
This is why I love "NEET". It's not considered obnoxious because it's a very literal term and it existed in the UK first, but everyone here is only using it because the Japs do.

I'm British and while the word is understood and used here, I would never describe myself as a "NEET" in any situation.

>> No.9996063

>>9996055
So you killed your soul and became the perfect jew slave?

>> No.9996066

>>9996062
>it existed in the UK first
You people are just like Coreans.

>> No.9996067

>>9996038
The word "bum" always makes me smile. The first time I've come across it was in Tony Hawk 2 where you have to jump over five bums in Venice Beach. Good times.

>> No.9996071

>>9996055
Did you know anti-psychotics have tranquilizers in them?

>> No.9996077

>>9996055
You should have stayed off the meds longer. Depersonalisation and derealisation kick in and then you just don't give a fuck. I go outside in tracksuit bottoms and a pyjama top, and the outside world is like an inconsequential computer game to me. I don't care if people stare or ask questions, because it's not my real life—my real life is here on /jp/.

>> No.9996085
File: 19 KB, 250x250, Averagebankowner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9996085

>>9996071
Don't listen to him they're perfectly healthy. Without them you won't be normal.

>> No.9996089

>>9996077
This doesn't happen unless you're mentally ill.

>> No.9996094

>>9996068
This is why I prefer talking to complete strangers, I'm less likely to meet them again. I used to only go to one shop and the people there got too familiar with me. They would say, "Hello again," and small talk and ask me why I buy so much Fanta.
Now I try to mix up which shops I go to so I'm more likely to buy from strangers, and I'm way more comfortable like this.

>> No.9996098

>>9996089
It's not a mental illness if it doesn't cause any problems or distress.

You've never been outside and something in your brain has "shut down" and then everything feels like a dream?

>> No.9996099

>>9996089
If you aren't mentally ill you shouldn't need meds either.

>> No.9996107

>>9996041
What? Hikkikomori just means you don't go outside, not that you have problems socialising with people. Doing to your door and opening it (be it your front door or bedroom door) isn't exactly going outside, is it?

>> No.9996117

>>9996098
Aren't depersonalisation episodes largely limited to schizophrenics and such?
Hell, I'm apparently schizophrenic and it only happened once in the past 8 years. It used to happen almost daily when I was in middle school though.
But my point is that it's pretty rare and most people wouldn't know what you're talking about.

>> No.9996118

>>9996107
You can be a hikikomori who's perfectly fine with social interaction but in practice that's not how 99% of them work.

>> No.9996126

>>9996048
no, interacting with your parents is worse

especially if you hate them

>> No.9996129

>>9996107
If someone knocks on your door out of the blue and you have no problem.opening it and talking to the guy, you're not a hikkikomori, you're a normalfag who likes staying inside.

>> No.9996136

>>9996126
>especially if they hate you.
Fixed for you.

>> No.9996138

>>9996129
Thank you.

It's annoying how it often seems like the people in these threads could easily quit their lifestyle at any time.

>> No.9996150

>>9996077
>>9996071
>>9996063

Alot of my depression and anxiety stopped when I got approved for the bux. It provided a major self-esteem boost because I was no longer leeching off my parents. I also stopped smoking weed every day which made me even more anxious and paranoid. Now I just drink almost every night and either study or browse /jp/. I have less delusions now than I did before I was on the meds, but the trade-off was less interest in things I used to enjoy and decreased sex drive (but it's not like I needed that anyway). Being zombie-mode isn't that bad, really.

I figure I'll admit myself to the in-patient program saying I want to kill myself and get another 5150 so I have more evidence as to why they should keep me on the bux. I dunno, we'll see.

>> No.9996152

>>9996129
I can do it if I'm drunk?

Normally I just leave the money and a note.

>> No.9996159

>>9996129
When did I say you talk to the guy? Hell, what else can you say to the person who delivered your groceries other than "thank you" and giving him money?
Hikkikomori means shut in and nothing more. Can you really not understand that?

>> No.9996162

>>9996129
What are you if you pull him inside and brutally rape his anus?

>> No.9996165

>>9996162
We call that "tipping".

>> No.9996174

>>9996152
>I can do it if I'm drunk?
Fair enough.
I guess most shut-ins are able to socialize more or less normally when drunk, the problem is that you remember making a complete fool of yourself the next day and it's only a matter of time until you swear off drinking or kill yourself, so it's a very short-term solution.

>> No.9996189

>>9996174
I've gotten past wallowing in self-pity and embarrassment. That's not to say I'm confident, but I've stopped beating myself up over how bad I am socially. I drink to make socializing easier, but I won't get upset once I realize all the mistakes I made.

>> No.9996265

In Britain NEET just means they're a worthless person to society. Chavs, for instance, are often NEET. They don't have phobias of going out or talking to people or interacting with society, they're just not working.
As I understand it hikkimori means they lock themselves away. Some of them still have jobs, but the key is that they don't interact with people if they can at all help it.

>> No.9996340

It's possible for a hikki to go to university. Just show up to class early and sit in the back corner. All you have to do is sit there through the lecture. Then when it's done, just leave and go home. No interacting with other people required.

captcha: weesess convened

>> No.9996349

>>9996340
Shut up

>> No.9996355

>>9996265
>In Britain NEET just means they're a worthless person to society. Chavs, for instance, are often NEET. They don't have phobias of going out or talking to people or interacting with society, they're just not working.

This is where I'd like to point out the distinction between "NEET" and "unemployed". Most official definitions for unemployment mean you have looked for work within the past X weeks. It also has age boundaries and often excludes students, people with disabilities, retired people or the elderly. NEET doesn't make these distinctions.

>> No.9996378

I just ordered Papa Johns. How much tip should I give the pizza guy in these hard economic times?

>> No.9996376

>>9996355
I believe the general use and connotations of NEET are geared towards young people who could be working or in school, but aren't. I don't think anyone uses NEET to describe the elderly, retired, or housewives.

>> No.9996377

>>9996340
Not possible. Universities force social interaction in their classes through mandatory group assignments, "lab partners" during lab classes, equipment sharing, and worst of all, mandatory oral presentations in front of your class.

It's annoying.

>> No.9996393

>>9996377
>Universities force social interaction in their classes through mandatory group assignments, "lab partners" during lab classes, equipment sharing, and worst of all, mandatory oral presentations in front of your class.
This

I go to community college and every few weeks we have a group assignment in one or two of my classes, not to mention the mandatory speech class you have to take first year.

>> No.9996389

>>9996378
What about nothing?

>> No.9996396

>>9996378
"Y-You too"

>> No.9996398

>>9996389
Enjoy eating cum.

>> No.9996400

I'm a total hikky but I still like to go the club every weekend and fuck a girl but it's OK since I never speak to her.

>> No.9996411

>>9996393

No! I can't do that shit. All that torture just for a piece of paper?

>> No.9996412

>>9996398
I wouldn't order pizza or other stuff anyway with those unhygienic part timers that don't know how to wash their hands.

>> No.9996414

>>9996412

I don't live in the city so I'm not worried about that.

>> No.9996419

>>9996398
wow so if you don't pay extra they enrich your meal with free protein supplements?

where do i buY!!

>> No.9996417

>>9996398
Not if you pick it up at the store. If it's close, you can even go by foot and save gas.

>> No.9996426

>>9996393
>mandatory oral presentations in front of your class.
Oh my god. I forced myself to go to college and speech class and I regret every moment of it. It's over, but every time I remember the awkwardness, I get nervous itchiness all over, my fingers go numb, and I wish I were dead.

Don't do speeches, fellas, it's not worth it.

>> No.9996432

>>9996411
>>9996426
I'm not looking forward to taking it, I'm on my first semester and even saying two sentences in front of the class with a group I still was shaking and could hardly form the words. I would drpo out but it isn't really an option for me.

>> No.9996472

>>9996039
Sato doesn't go for jogs daily or have no problem socializing, fag.

>> No.9996492

>>9996414

It was the same guy who usually delivers my pizza. Good thing I always tip him properly to stay safe.

>> No.9996516

>>9996136
quit projecting

>> No.9996520
File: 164 KB, 625x887, 1316556695175.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9996520

Get a job.

>> No.9996570

>>9996117
How long do episodes like that typically last for? There were times where I've thought of killing myself, not out of depression, but because I didn't think this life was real, and that by doing so I would wake up or otherwise skip onto whatever came afterward. I always just figured it was morbid curiosity more than anything, but honestly some of these illnesses describe me so well I can't really be sure.

>> No.9996604

>>9996094
This describes me quite well. As long as there's nobody I recognize I can ride on crowded buses or go to mcdonald's or whatever, I can just listen to music and pretend they're not there, but god help me if I run into one of my old classmates or something.

>> No.9996605

prolonged isolation can be harmful. I know because I just came out of a psychotic episode. I kept ranting about the Illuminati and the NWO, encrypted my hard drives, invented my own code and used it to write a journal on the wall, I saw their symbols everywhere, goddamn. I've been reading through some of my posts in the archive and it's really embarrassing

>> No.9996614

>>9996605
Are you the guy who was posting about cameras scanning your facial structure on the streets in the NEET threads a couple days ago?

>> No.9996616

>>9996605
That's what's called chuunibyou.

>> No.9996626

>>9996605

But...the NWO is real,anon. Whoever helped you get out of your psychotic episode was only trying to lure you into sheepdom.

>> No.9996628

>>9996605
People like that are interesting, though.

http://mi5.com/
This guy has been ranting daily on the uk.* Usenet groups since the mid-90s. Every day he wakes up to the sound of MI5 mind control and sees people on television personally attacking him. I've been a fan of his for a while. In his own little world, he must have the most exciting life ever.

>> No.9996637

>>9996626
The NWO isn't real silly. The jewish masterminds already control the world and they're working with the Japanese. Your Japanese materials are made to keep you sedated. All according to plan...

>> No.9996642

>>9996614
That happens, though. Why do you think everyone was so upset over Stratfor? Facial recognition technology is getting scary accurate, and it's being used on normal citizens.

>> No.9996656

>>9996642
But I already wear a full mask whenever I leave the house. Am I safe?

>> No.9996660

>>9996637
>Your Japanese materials are made to keep you sedated.

I love conspiracy theories like this.
"They're doing it to keep you entertained and docile!"
"I want to be entertained and docile."
"But that's what THEY want!"
"Good, then it works out for both of us."
"But they MADE you this way!"
"So? My parents made me like pasta."

Silly tinfoil hatters. You're some of the only self-imposed shut-ins who just don't know how to take it easy.

>> No.9996662

>>9996614
Possibly. I posted my rants all over /jp/, /a/, /x/, /b/, a few other boards (even /q/) I wouldn't be surprised if someone decided to repost them for some cheap laughs

>> No.9996667

>>9996637

That is actually true.

>> No.9996668

>>9996656
Your mask might contain an RFID chip in the fabric. Cover the whole thing in tin foil before you wear it, or build a Faraday cage around your head. It's the only way to be safe.

>> No.9996672

>>9996660
When will you realize that they're just sedating you to get their chance? Once their plan is at the final stage your life will become very horrible my friend.

>> No.9996677

>>9996668
But I made this mask myself.

>> No.9996684

>>9996672
Well, I'm no expert in logistics, but I imagine some global New World Order plan would take a few years to complete. I will probably be in Gensokyo by then.

>> No.9996692

>>9996684
Make sure you have a suicide plan for when the jews knock on your door.

>> No.9996698

>>9996677
Did you gather the materials yourself? How do you know those sheep weren't cross-bred to have a unique DNA/wool signature now present in your mask? There may even be RFID nanobots on you right now.

>> No.9996704

>>9996692
They'll come for me personally? That's rather nice of them.

I didn't fill in a census and some people came to my door. I told them I didn't want to sign it and they left me alone. I'm probably on a watchlist now, but at least I've made things trickier for them.

>> No.9996706

>>9996698
My house is built inside an underground faraday cage. I have a sterilization chamber that emits electromagnetic pulses in order to destroy any possible electronics that are inside.

>> No.9996708

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxfh5jOHv8A

>> No.9996738

>>9996706
What if I told you that you're on a computer RIGHT NOW?

>> No.9996759

>>9996738

I'm sure hes using software and proxies that respect his given freedoms.

>> No.9996783
File: 16 KB, 728x382, jewbuntu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9996783

>>9996759
The only OS that truly respects you're freedom.

>> No.9996863

>>9996759
People are way too comfortable with open source/free software. "Oh, it's open source, therefore it's fine."
There are problems in open source software all the time. There was a big fuss on GitHub a month or two ago because a popular piece of software was deleting people's /usr directories or something like that.
You don't audit all that code yourself. There are audit teams for software intended to be secure, and even they make mistakes. A former employee of some software company emailed the OpenBSD team to say their NDA expired and that they added a backdoor for the FBI. People have spent thousands of man hours looking for that backdoor, it still hasn't been found. If it exists, one of the most renowned, secure programs that runs on millions of computers could be completely open to attack.
And even if it was possible to examine every line of code you run (a feat that would take several lifetimes), can you trust the compiler you compile it with?
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

>> No.9996970

>>9996863
Better to use something affiliated with a company that has profit motives to sell you out, right?

>> No.9997348

>>9996098
>>9996117
It happened all the time when I was doing pot on a daily basis.

Should I be worried? It's gone away completely.

>> No.9997355
File: 48 KB, 500x546, Yang-Wenli.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9997355

>>9996660
Yes, goyim ignore the obvious signs like good little sheep.

heh heh heh

Sad to see that even /jp/ is filled with useful idiots today. 4chan has really gone to the dogs, hasn't it?

>> No.9998112
File: 191 KB, 704x400, The Difference.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
9998112

>> No.9998637

>>9998112
falsNEETs, do.

>>
Reply to thread [?]Don't expect anything heroic. Your post will not be uploaded to the original board.
Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Action