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23332061 No.23332061 [Reply] [Original]

That’s according to a recently released survey by the Society of Authors, which heard from over 800 of their members about how they’re feeling about emergent technologies and their impact on their creative work.

The Society, a UK-based trade organization that has been advising and campaigning for writers, illustrators, and literary translators for over a century, found that its members are curious but extremely wary of new generative technology.

This isn’t a universally skeptical crowd: 22% of respondents say they have used generative programs in their work, and 31% have used them for brainstorming. This number was lower than I might have guessed. Artists have always embraced the experimental possibility of new materials and tools, and that so few are using AI underscores the deep and widespread ethical and reputational concerns around this tech. In fact, the survey found that “even those respondents who were more optimistic…reiterated that ethical concerns are a primary reason to avoid the use of generative AI systems at this stage.”

There’s also the crucial factor that this tech hasn’t shown an ability to make art that is good or interesting, and has only found a fanbase amongst the worst guys you’ve ever seen.

The survey also found that AI is already cutting into people’s work. A quarter of illustrators (26%) and over a third of translators (36%) say they’ve lost work due to generative AI, and a higher percentage—37% of illustrators and 43% of translators—say the income for their work has decreased because of generative tech. It seems like this programming is already working as intended.

https://lithub.com/more-than-a-third-of-translators-think-theyve-already-lost-work-to-ai/

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>> No.23332096

>>23332061
AI in this area is primarily bullshit work like translating documents for businesses and illustrating power point presentations. No real loss. Only place in literature which AI will take over translation is in fad genre shit. Any author resorting to AI for illustration probably can not afford an illustrator and their work just would go without.
>>23332086
Few people make a living or much money with literary translations, its mostly college professors and the like doing it as a passion project. The handful of people who have managed to make a career out of literary translation are in no risk of AI taking their job and AI is still a long ways off from reaching their level.

>> No.23332102

>>23332061
Geniuses like Max Lawton will be alright. Did you know he’s working on two new projects?

>> No.23332187

>>23332061
Boiler plate copy translators are not REAL LITERARY translators. Fuck off shill before I find you.

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Monolingual chads unite

>> No.23332265

If my experience generating subtitles is any indication, any machine translations will need a lot of editing before being considered usable. WhisperX may make a really good first draft, but its timestamp generation gets confused if the background audio is too loud, plus it has the usual problems with vocal effects and foreign accents.



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23332039 No.23332039 [Reply] [Original]

I'm more than halfway through and I still don't fully understand what this is about. Is that the point?

>> No.23332069

>>23332039
Its basically about the difference between the analytical and the continental mindset. Pirsig tries to make it sound like its more than that, but it's not really.
He thinks about the bike in terms of its mechanical parts, and the friend thinks about it in terms of the pleasure of the ride. It's not that deep really

>> No.23332207

>>23332039
it's boomer slop

>> No.23332289

>>23332039
It's for self-obsessed faggot boomers to self insert on and feel smart and special.
It's garbage and you're wasting your time.

>> No.23332362

>>23332207
For me it's Jonathan Livingston Seagull



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23332035 No.23332035 [Reply] [Original]

>novel is 80+% dialogue
Just write a play at that point. Fucking hacks.

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>> No.23332071

>>23332063
Nice projection

>> No.23332079

>>23332035
You make a good point frog.

>> No.23332100

>>23332035
Theater limits the setting of a story.

>> No.23332103

>>23332100
Nah, it just relies on writers capable of exploiting the audiences imagination and an audience who has not let their imagination atrophy.

>> No.23332111

>>23332035
>Fucking hacks.
So a hack is a person who mindlessly follows convention?



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23332007 No.23332007 [Reply] [Original]

>authors write books to be remembered forever
>they will be forgotten just like any common barely literate schmuck in the future

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>murderer is raping my corpse
>my soul is already pausing at the first tollhouse to look back at him with infinite pity as i can see the golden chains of both our past lives running through samsara like red threads
>see all the karmic pain he is in from multiple b bad incarnations, pain that has twisted him up into this knot of evil
>forgive him on so many dimensions that his head would explode if he tried to perceive my forgiveness directly
>pledge to wait in the lethe until he dies and embrace him when his current incarnation ends and he inevitably realizes the enormity of karmic hell he is in for
>talk to some angels while waiting patiently to give him a big cosmic hug when he arrives and help him work on a plan for penitence across his next several lives
>angel tells me i helped over one thousand old ladies across the street in my last life and i can incarnate as a bivalve next time as a reward
>mfw bivalves are widely regarded as the best incarnation you can get

>> No.23332049

>>23332007
I write to not kill myself

>> No.23332053

Honestly I have a feeling that that mindset is likely one that people who don't actually write would have
Real authors probably write with the mindset that their books will be profitable and that with their next book, they will have a better negotiating position

>> No.23332146

>>23332024
Cope and seethe clamfag. You will never be a mollusc.

>> No.23332221

It's true, the abyss of time makes libraries akin to a graveyard, with each book marking the grave. Do you remember the names of everyone in the last graveyard you visited?

That said, the ideas we pass on might outlive us



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23332003 No.23332003 [Reply] [Original]

Once you pop you just can't stop. And how could you, given that nothing satisfies or indeed can ever satisfy the will, which is always striving and thus suffering as long as it is not satisfied; but no satisfaction is lasting; instead, it is only the beginning of a new striving. But there is no final goal of striving, and therefore no bounds or end to suffering, and for our constant struggle for more Pringles.

>> No.23332004

>>23332003
Your mum satisfies my will nightly.

>> No.23332045

>>23332003
Yeah, after you eat you get hungry again. There is no permanent satisfaction, you have to keep doing things. I don't know why this fact totally breaks some people. Maybe because their desires are too big.



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23331981 No.23331981 [Reply] [Original]

Is this guy a must read philosopher?

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>> No.23332083

>>23332078
Existentialism is a Humanism. If you can find that it's short and not bad.

>> No.23332092

>>23331981
he has a philosophical power level of like 100

>> No.23332094

I'm learning French but I don't have any interest in philosophy
Are his novels still worth reading? How difficult are they compared to say, Camus or Houellebecq?

>> No.23332176

>>23332094
I would say Sartre is on average slightly harder than Houellebecq. Camus has very different writing styles d'un livre à l'autre so it depends. All Sartre is harder than L'Etranger for sure, about as hard as La Peste or La Chute I would say.

>> No.23332183

>>23332094
La Nausée and Le Mure are fine, Les Mots on the other hand is atrocious. I would recommend his plays, Les Mains sales, Huis-clos and Le Diable et le bon Dieu which are quite funny and interesting.



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23331953 No.23331953 [Reply] [Original]

What are some books about propaganda?

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>> No.23332232

>>23331953
Right hand side of Bert's jacket

>> No.23332236

German Ideology

>> No.23332293

>>23332145
American people want to be controlled, it's very self-evident. They all disguise it behind the constant screeching of freedom and "patriotism" yet they are as much slaves to their overlords
as sub-saharan Africans are to theirs. You won't find shit like this in most of Europe because no one cares. And no one is powerful enough to look away from the majority's opinion. Only American politicians with their dictatorship-esque powers could do so. All while they constantly suppress and at the same time support, the fall of the West, and the rise of the fags, trannies, and niggers. Look through the USA and all you can see is constant shoplifting, rallies for pride, constant corruption, and the degeneracy of every class. It's disgusting, to say the least. I hope Texans succeed, but that itself is a pipe dream for people already in too deep into what is essentially the slavery of the mind.

>> No.23332380

>>23332088
Does he? What does he talk about, advertising and the army?
>Look over here! Burger king is trying to make you want burgers! This is so insidious! Look at the subtle tricks they use. Now go get your boosters and fight antisemitism.

>> No.23332382

>>23332293
Hans just fyi I reported your post the the authorities and they will soon be inside your house so make sure you hide your butter knives and browser history fast.



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23331909 No.23331909 [Reply] [Original]

is this book any good?

>> No.23331927

minecraft?



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23331871 No.23331871 [Reply] [Original]

People that say dialogue should only exist to move the plot are retarded. If I want to write a 1000 word dialogue between two characters sperging out about craft beer and hops to show that one of the characters is only superficially supportive of the other character's problems and only likes to have her around to sperg out about craft beer with, then I'll do just that.

Dialogue is an extension of character and you can never have enough of it. I hate this obsession with minimalism and prose being a mechanical, robotic vehicle for muh action and muh plot.

Let the characters sit in a restaurant and talk like human beings for god sake. Tarantino does it. Why in literature, especially in this modern age where everyone knows Tarantino and worships him (I don't) you'd think dialogue rules would be as loose as they are in those films.

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>> No.23332170

>>23332118
No, I want to give life to characters by having them share what they want when they want. I don't want the characters to be at the mercy of the characters, using them as fleshlights for their own self-projected power fantasies.

>> No.23332179

>>23331871
>People that say dialogue should only exist to move the plot are retarded. If I want to write a 1000 word dialogue between two characters sperging out about craft beer and hops to show that one of the characters is only superficially supportive of the other character's problems and only likes to have her around to sperg out about craft beer with, then I'll do just that
When people say things should support the "plot" they mean the story and a story is just a series of events that are more than the sum of their parts when condensed. If your character not caring about the other is important to the story you can get away with literally anything as long as you illustrate it in an interesting way.
A's an aside that bitch looks anorexic.

>> No.23332196

>>23331873
a play wiuld be an inprovement, since they cant take 5 hours talking about the night or the fucking grass

>> No.23332389

>>23331871
>If I want to write a 1000 word dialogue between two characters sperging out about craft beer and hops to show that one of the characters is only superficially supportive of the other character's problems and only likes to have her around to sperg out about craft beer with, then I'll do just that.
You can get this point across in far less than 1000 words without losing anything of value in the process. There is no point to having your plot stall this hard for no reason.

>then I'll do just that.
You can. But I think the majority of people who read that would find it very boring. If you're writing a book purely for yourself that's fine but if you're planning on releasing it to the public then you need to always keep the audience in mind and think to yourself "Would anyone actually want to read this? Is this entertaining?".

>> No.23332468

>>23332170
Aircraft carriers can exert power over the air, sea and land. Some carriers and subs run on compact nuclear reactors. They can run for decades on the fuel on board, excess energy means they can do things like generate oxygen. Only Russia has portable nuclear reactors like this being used by consumers in the form of large ships with reactors that dock at towns needing power. Access to energy correlates with economic output but I think it also has serious psychological effects. People intuitively feel the potential of all that power like they intuitively feel the effects of peak oil and peak resource extraction growth.



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23331857 No.23331857 [Reply] [Original]

was Nietzsche really atheist?

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>> No.23331935

>>23331857
Yes*

*antiquity atheist

>> No.23331938

Pantheist

>> No.23331960

>>23331857
Nietzche was a trained philologist and the son of a pastor, he was obviously a Christian

>> No.23332065

No one ever is.

If one had made any decision by taking risks in their life, then he's not atheist.

>> No.23332149

>>23331857
He seemed to not really care one way or the other and was more concerned about the consequences ideas about God have on men who hold them.



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23331798 No.23331798 [Reply] [Original]

the bible was written by a jew

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23331851

>>23331813
>yfw le manly vikings were 165cm tall
uma delicia
this makes my penis the big penis

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>>23331798
>The Bible was writen by Middle Easterners (Caucasians)
There, fify.

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>>23331907
>>23331851
>>23331845
>>23331840
>>23331813
>>23331807
>>23331806
>>23331805
>>23331800
>>23331798
stop posting shit like this

>> No.23331975

>>23331798
Sometimes it's baffling how retarded the mainstream narratives get. Because some faggot somewhere is "respected in his field" the consensus now is that there's "no evidence" for Jews ever having been Egyptian slaves. A Greek source said they're Hyksos, so saying there's "no evidence" is a flat out lie.
Late Egyptian sources say the Hyksos homeland was somewhere around or in Israel even though they originated in Turkey. They were indo-European milk people who conquered Egypt and then got overthrown and enslaved, so Moses had royal Egyptian lineage and was a slave.. and white.

>> No.23331998

>>23331950
No. Your BDSM kink religion is done for.



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23331791 No.23331791 [Reply] [Original]

Came here to bring this image I found somewhere on twitter of jelly thing Ted (IHNMAIMS)

I personally find this shit absolutely fucking hilarious.

>> No.23331804

I met Harlan Ellison at a con in 2012 and we talked for 20 mintues about how we both hate Cormac McCarthy

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>>23331804

>> No.23331902

>>23331804
why do you hate McCarthy?



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23331769 No.23331769 [Reply] [Original]

I wrote a story, what do you all think?

The library was abustle with the sound of students writing their work. The examinations they were preparing for had plagued their troubled minds for weeks, for the egregiously studious minded ones for months on end now, and the pressure was on. Not a single solitary mind in the studio of knowledge that day was unfocused, their eyes either on a screen or a line of text on an overpriced or loaned textbook. Yes, they were all prepared and ready in their pursuit for knowledge. Not a single mind was going to break the silence.
"Guohhhhh".
The moan had come from the James Joyce section. A look revealed a man, or perhaps a late teenager in a Minecraft creeper hoodie with his head in his hands, scrambled and grasping through his greasy brown hair.. He was rocking back and forth before the section housing a mini library in itself of tomes upon tomes dedicated to works unraveling the mysterious Irishman's prose and at times garbled messages, but the man cared naught for that. He was only concerned with getting the bad thoughts out. It seemed.
"GrUOOOOOOOH".
Another groan. A slam of a fist on the ground. He gotted a book from the shelf and hit it hard on the ground.
"GUUOOOOOOOOOOH!"
He screamed and banged the book on the ground, the walls, turning it to the site and banging the spine hard hard HARD on the bookshelf which made a ding noise. Scared onlookers scrambled for safety.

"GHAROOGA!!!"

THE CRAZED FUCKER SCREAMED AND STARTED CHUCKING BOOKS FROM THE SHELF GRABBING ULYSSES AND CHUCKING IT AT SOME DUMB BITCH SHE WPULDNT READ IT ANYWYA AND STOMPED AND BONGED AND GRONGED GRONGAAAA YRUOHHAHHAHAHAHAHAYAYAYAYAYHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHSHZHXHHCHCHZJZNZBXNX FNNRNENEDMLSLELEOEIUEJEJ GROONGAS GUGHS GOGHS GOGHANGGGGGSSSSSSSS

riverrun, past


FUUUUUUUUCK

grongh

It was done. It was all done
.
He knew it was .
.
G

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>> No.23332097

This is now a buyfag thread
/lit/ infinitely improved

>> No.23332107

>>23332097
Please no, I'm here cuz I'm broke.

>> No.23332110

i love my wife yui

>> No.23332123

>>23332110
Based

>> No.23332222

euidh



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23331760 No.23331760 [Reply] [Original]

at this hour, men will cry
their dilators short, they know not why
for in their pants, they feel a nudge
just take some scissors, and snip them off!
and when they're gone, you'll log on reddit
and preach to your friends, that you finally did it!
through much recourse, many moments of shame
to realize your balls are gone, and youll never see them again!
and whilst you sit, trying to piss
in the girls bathroom, as you eat someones fist
just remember, through your toil and shame
that when you get buried, we'll use your real name!



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23331715 No.23331715 [Reply] [Original]

Do you guys know of any cultures with Hyperborean-esque legends or myths that would corroborate the Greek story of Hyperborea? Legends of solar-worshipping people from the far north, etc.

>> No.23331736

>>23331715
>"Mythology"
>Implying it was a myth.

>> No.23331745

>>23331715

Read this OP

https://www.systematics.org/journal/vol1-3/SJ1-3c.htm



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23331707 No.23331707 [Reply] [Original]

i remember playing enderal and loving it and this just came in
has anyone else read this?



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23331606 No.23331606 [Reply] [Original]

When will someone buy and reupload one of (cosmoetica) Dan Schneider's books so the rest of us can critique it?

https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0794FTXM3/allbooks?ingress=0&visitId=7570bde2-fdcc-4d15-8f35-8c6c6bd38e50&ref_=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5

I like him as a critic, all of the classic books he recommended seemed good to me. On the other hand it feels like he's overhyping his own books and his wife's books.

>> No.23331611

>>23331606
I’ve watched the video where he shits on Harold Bloom and he just comes across someone who is easily filtered.

>> No.23331661

>>23331606
Just saw a short clip where he calls Vonnegut a great comedic lyrical writer and, in comparison, calls Pynchyon a meandering rambler who doesn't have poetic sensibilities.

It's amazing how someone can be so right and so wrong, with two critiques

>> No.23331694

there was this one asian guy who learned japanese to read eroge and somehow got really obsessed with dan schneider
i really don't know why
schneider's daughter(?) writes too, iirc



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23331575 No.23331575 [Reply] [Original]

How applicable is the romantic philosophy of Victor Hugo in the modern era? Do you think it stands the test of time?

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>>23331575
I would save her and raise her to be my daughterwife

>> No.23332281

I legit don't care about poor people, if you steal bread to eat yes you are a thief, I have a right to shoot you, and the police have every right to put you in a jail where you get free food paid by *my* tax money.

My car has been broken into 4 times in the past 12 months, I no longer give a shit about excuses, and philosophically speaking I'm ready to just start doing russia and using slavic methods to deal with such dogs. I think there's a lot we can learn from how eastern bloc countries manage poverty with beatings, which is an effective deterrent against future crime.

>> No.23332304

>>23332281
If you actually read the book “Monsieur Madeline” actually agrees with your point which is why he became mayor so that he could set about raising up the poor and the living standards of the people in Montreuil sur Mer so that crime would cease.



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23331538 No.23331538 [Reply] [Original]

A weekly discussion thread for literature in the portuguese and spanish languages.

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Picture contains several of the most popular Spanish publishing houses collections. Are Latin Americans aware of any of these? Maybe Cátedra and Bruguera?

>> No.23331836

>>23331635
me leí algunos de sus poemas y menciona bastante el holocausto
fuera de eso, me extraña que sea no sea más conocida

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23331895

>>23331836

>me leí algunos de sus poemas y menciona bastante el holocausto

ESO ES VIRTUALMENTE TÓPICO; TÍPICO DE LOS LITERATOS DE EL SIGLO XX.


>fuera de eso, me extraña que sea no sea más conocida

CONCURRO; APENAS SE HALLA INFORMACIÓN, CRÍTICAS, RESEÑAS, FOTOGRAFÍAS, O ALGO SOBRE ELLA.

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23332258

Nadie podrá superarlo nunca.

>> No.23332266

>>23332258


PERDIDO, CIEGO,

EN TOTAL BIBLIOTECA:

BOBORGES LLORA.


« 零 »



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23331517 No.23331517 [Reply] [Original]

Do you believe in Intellektuelle Anschauung? Why or why not?

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>> No.23332415

>>23331517
I believe

>> No.23332427

>>23332415
me too

>> No.23332453

>>23331517
The fuck did you just say to me?

>> No.23332456

>>23331641
danke schön

>> No.23332467

>>23331517
No, because I read the Critique of Pure Reason