/lit/ - Literature

>>21251826
Imagine being such a loser to read Ev*la

>>21251826
>Someone please tell me, how the fuck do i start reading this guy?

Pay close attention to his body language and facial expressions. Ask him questions and really listen, don't just think about your next question. Questions should be indirect and remember, when trying to read someone, silence is not a bad thing! See how they act when left just to think

>>21251826
I have a list just for you.
https://pastebin.com/cZqQGeGb

>>21251826
>browsing /pol/
>into evola
please don't start shitting up /omg/

>>21251826
Older Evola realized he was wrong about most of that schizobabble and just read Heidegger (important) and walked the earth by being a crypto-Islamic to cure his Soul (tm). He told the youth around him to not start revolutions in his name, but he did also discuss blowing up powerlines if you can get away with it scott-free because we live in a sick sick world

>>21251837
I'm talking about reading his books, not reading his emotions and shit.
>>21251852
thanks
>>21251874
i'm not gonna shit up anything, I just need a guidance.
>>21251888
seriously? I glanced at his wikipedia page and I didn't find that says he was a crypto-muslim or that he regretted what he wrote.

>>21251957
This is pretty much everything you need to know in order to get started with evola, good luck on your journey.

This is why: https://youtu.be/R_VzjFWrF6o
If he has a most valuable book, it's Ride the Tiger imo.

>>21251888
Absolutely not you are getting things mixed up with rene guenon.
His last book he double down on what he say not his fault if the average right winger is stupid

>>21251957

>I just need a guidance.

Like that could be done in a single post.

>on /pol/

You poor soul ... :)

>>21252152
Stop being smug, and help me here. If you don't have anything to say then just don't bump this thread and let it die. I already got good responses. >>21252053
>>21251852

>>21252382

>If you don't have anything to say

Would actually have to say quite a bit but I do prefer conversation over hitting people with walls of text. The reading lists appear to be rather solid so you can sure stick with it.
What I perhaps was trying to say: theoretical knowledge is all fine and warranted here ... but that alone in the end just won't suffice for what I assume you are going after ...

>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?

Good question. I'd be curious. Anyway, you should keep that one in mind ...

>>21251826
>Honestly, I don't know anything about philosophy, i just found the pic on /pol/ a week ago
If you are this new to philosophy but also want to read Guenon and Evola, then I strongly recommend you first read Reality: From Metaphysics to Metapolitics by Mynand de Beer. Not only does the book introduce the reader to philosophical concepts like ontology, epistemology and others, it also discusses and compares the Platonist, Aristotelian, Neoplatonist, and early Christian world views to our modern one. After that, read 'What "Tradition" Is' from Bow and the Club to know what exactly what Evola means by Tradition (hint: it has nothing to do with its colloquial conception) and also read What Is "Metaphysical Reality?" from Introduction to Magic volume 3 to know what the Traditionalist concept of metaphysics. Then, read Path of Cinnabar. It's very important to start with this book because, the book is an intellectual biography, where Evola explains the reasons for writing his books and his thoughts on them, and more importantly, there was a clear shift in his thought between pre-WW2 and the postwar periods. You can skip the chapter where he talks about Magical Idealism since it's the most dense part of the book by far, but luckily he abandoned it, which makes skipping that part inconsequential. After reading PoC, you can start with Revolt Against the Modern World.

It is difficult to recommend a starting point because it depends what on what you are familiar with and interested in. If you're not familiar with the Traditionalist movement instigated by Guenon and world/religious history in general you'll be lost trying to read Evola

If you're reading in English stick with the ones put out by Inner Traditions they published most of his major works. Arktos is dubious

He wrote Orientations, a short essay, exactly for people like you.

>ESL
Most of his major works have been translated into many languages. Some of them are harder than others. His earlier works (anything before Revolt, so things like Pagan Imperialism) are not ideal starting places. The best starting place other than Orientations is either one of his major late works, like Revolt, Ride the Tiger, or Men Among the Ruins, or, in my personal opinion, his book on Buddhism (The Doctrine of Awakening).

>How the fuck do I enter the world of tradition?
By seeking supernormal sources of value in metaphysical traditions while practicing forms of ascesis (like yoga, zen, and tantra) to train yourself to distance yourself from the innumerable everyday elements and conditioned thoughts that draw you away from higher knowledge by dispersing and scattering your focus across meaningless things, attaching yourself to them so they can drag you in a thousand contrary directions. The way of life of the average man, what Evola calls "evasive man" but might be better translated as "man who is always running away," is total dispersion, a lack of center, an atomizing and scattering of all your inner forces in all directions instead of a gathering and focusing of them. Doctrine of Awakening isn't a bad place to start with counteracting this. It's less intense than Tantra, which I think is a dated book since it was mostly written for hardcore Futurist daredevil type souls from the days of Evola's youth. Modern zoomer man is more depressed and needs help focusing on the center within him, he isn't really a promethean Futurist.

If you do this inner focusing, while also learning about metaphysical traditions and learning to focus your mind enough to understand higher truths in them, in time you will start to see the light at the end of the tunnel and you'll stop bumping into walls and going back further up the tunnel. At that point it becomes about your own efforts. Once you've seen the light, the only two ways you can really go are backward and forward. Right now you can't even do these, because you have no points of reference and you're walking sideways into walls. Hence the title of that essay: Orientations.

Give yourself research projects and train yourself to be the opposite of a dispersed, dissolute being. Make it your goal to understand Plato, or Zoroastrianism, by the end of the year. Pay attention to little things, like what it means to set a resolution, maybe a New Year's resolution, and then what it means when you break that resolution. What does it "look like" phenomenologically, internally, when "you" set a goal like "No 4chan on my phone," and then your "later" self (days or weeks later) simply cancels this goal and does whatever he wants? Which you is you? The second you is your "evasive man," your dispersed pseudo-self. You need to bring both selves into the light and decide which you really are.

You should also read Guenon's Crisis of the Modern World.

>>21251826

>>21251835
you think cutting your dick off makes you a woman and Marx is "deep" reading. Who would ever give a flying fuck what a dipshit like you thinks about anything?

>>21251826
>how the fuck do i start reading this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZvL8BuYdFo

>>21253014
New 'pasta lmao

>>21251826
>How the fuck do I enter the world of tradition?
Everything good then is illegal now. You'll enter the world of prison.

>>21251826
This should really be in the sticky so spread it to other anons.
>Basic level question
>Go to chart wiki or mega
>Type in keyword (tradition, [author], [ideology], etc.)
>Look at the charts and read something

>>21251826
how do you distinguish this from just being a huge fucking narcissist?

>>21252053
Some anons say to just jumping into the main trilogy is fine and that the Hermetic Tradition is far too advanced for a layman so reading something like Grail and Cinnabar (autobiography) is required to make an undertsanding. Also, Evola apparently ends up shifting focus and changing his mind on some things later and apparently, that applies to Awakening and Yoga. My advice is first just try reading what you're most interested in off the bat. If it's buddhism, Awakening, for tradition, Revolt, etc.

im not a big evola fan but the shilling *against* him anytime he gets posted here is pretty sus

evola definitely pisses off the trannydiscord crowd it would seem

>>21251826
Still waiting for empirical proof of the existence of what Evola calls tradition, or is it just a mishmash of old stories that happen to support his previous values?

>>21253522
or could it be that it´s pretty ridiculous, like new-age for right wing hippies?

>>21253544
>empirical proof
Okay, you wont find it necesserily, but if you want an experimental verification of "magic," which will probably only give way to more of a dispersion/dissolution of your individual self, and probably open you up into a passive receptacle for malevolent spirits, then take alot of halluconegenic drugs, drink alot of alcohol, get lost in trance music, and listen to hypnosis of the erotic kind ans end up in a psych ward.

>>21251826
Maybe because literally every guy feels like this when he's 23

>>21253522
That's all normal ideas and thinkers. Any time someone says "perhaps I shouldn't mutilate a child's penis" some leftist will start trying to condescend to them and soft manipulate them with threats of unpopularity unless they start being child genital mutilationists.

>>21253522
For me it’s because he’s a symbol of the type of anon who has been a scourge for /lit/

>>21253522
>pisses off the trannydiscord crowd
rent free

>>21251826
You're a wizard 'Arry

>>21251826
take shrooms, all will be revealed
start with a low dose, then make your way up to 4 grams, dont go higher or you turn into those COEXIST WE'RE ALL NATURE'S CHILDREN liberal fags

>>21251826
You’re just a weak willed ESL.

>>21252138
Guenon would never have gone so low as to reference Heidegger.

>>21253010
Bergson got destroyed by Guenon in RoQ

>>21253014
marx is deep reading unlike evola

>>21254694
>marx is deep
Anon, I...

>>21253362
lmao

>>21255357
what's funny

>>21251826
>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?
Because you want it to. Just read his books. You'll find that he references and does call backs to a lot of different things. Take note of them, the translators tend to do a lot of the work that Evola didn't already do himself. Prepare for some scattered shit:
In the book for your image, Ride the Tiger, you can read that whenever but you will probably miss a lot because he does call backs.
Read PLATO: Complete Works. I'm serious. Skip ahead, read Nietzsche (He references a lot, but honestly Twilight; Beyond Good and Evil; Genealogy; Gay Science; Thus Spoke; and Will to Power are references the most, you'll want a decent idea of what happened between the Greeks and the 1960's (in terms of history) Figure that out on your own, but don't rely too much on post-1939 works. Look a little bit in Dadaism and surrealism. He was part of one and heavily critiques the other. You may want to have some slight grasp on Guenon (Crisis is good, but the more the better). Check out RADIO's two part "A Handbook of Traditional Living" (Theory & Practice, Style & Ascesis) for a fair introduction to see if you even really like it. (You probably will because, like I said at the start, "You wanted to".)
Oh, you'll even want to look into certain authors, there is a few mentions towards Jack Kerouac, Max Stirner (You dont really need to read him, just know what he was about: Repulsive Jewish egoism), oh there is some overlap between Stirner and Ayn Rand (Retards would get filtered by this statement) and modern society is basically filled with a synchronization of Rand + Stirner, but almost none of them even realize it, especially the ones who hate Rand.
Oh, check out Ernst Junger's Storm of Steel, too, as well as All Quiet. Yes, its important. There are more, but I have to start work in a few minutes.
Anyways, start off with RADIO's first book to make sure you don't waste your time.
Good luck.

>>21254694
Deeply stupid

>>21251874
Omg is already a toilet

>>21251888
Evola went through heidegger with a scalpel in ride the tiger you stupid brown retard.
>mooslem
If he saw them today he would change his tune, no doubt.

>>21254368
>oy vey ive been exposed

>>21254603
No, and 4g isn't a lot.

>>21251826
You haven't got your dick wet. You can lie or make up excuses but we all know this is it.

Start with Revolt, he says so himself. That or the Grail one, I think. If you don't know much about ancient civs you won't get as much out of it. It is such a good book though.

>>21256707
Serious question: do you have a mental disability?

>>21254694
thinking that "material conditions" determine society(but at the same time not really) and that there exists a "universal class" that will magically bring an end to exploitation

>>21256749
is not deep*
oops, capricorn moment

Why are trannies and j*** so deathly afraid of a guy who wants white men to control their base instincts and be more masculine?

>>21256749
He's obviously in high school still

>>21256759
Ya. Anyone who is a marxist past 18 is a gullible naïve retard.

evola is based

niggers and troons are cringe

>>21256789
Correct.

>>21251826
It resonates because his entire goal is to attract people like you. The idea that there's special knowledge just for people like you and that you're special.
It's Harry potter with S grade marketing.

>>21256803
Midwit take.

>>21256803
You're basically trying to suggest that this is a Jordan Peterson tier grifter despite the fact that he's fucking dead

>>21256803
>It's Harry potter with S grade marketing.
You belong on twitter

>>21251826
It is difficult to recommend a starting point because it depends what on what you are familiar with and interested in. If you're not familiar with the Traditionalist movement instigated by Guenon and world/religious history in general you'll be lost trying to read Evola

>>21256910
I read Revolt as an intro and it make perfect sense.

>>21252487
Nta. Thanks for the breakdown. Exactly what i was looking for

>>21251835

>>21257470
Oy vey

One needs a pretty high IQ to fully appreciate Evola.

>how chuds attract women

>>21251826
>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?

Because you think you're somehow special and above the contemporary concerns, yet you are a caricature of an impressionable /pol/ user that is by definition a product of contemporary sensibilities?

>>21257538
>be me
>work at gamestop
>i read classical literature in the breakroom whenever female coworkers are around
>i scoot closer to them until they can see what im reading
>if they don't acknowledge it i start laughing and making hmmm noiser louder and louder
>no girl has ever remained unconquered by my masculine wiles

>>21256759
>more masculine
what is masculinity for you? Being a gullible chud?

>>21257609
Kek. If you did the minimum amount of required research you'd know, you stupid fucking retard. Instead you're a subhuman faggot in a dress that scares people in public.

>>21257602
I dont know what's more pathetic, the fact that you're butthurt enough to type all of that total garbage out, or the fact that you think it's clever. Either way you have no idea what you're talking about. Evola is obviously way above your head.

Some of Evola's absolutely best writings are Fascism Viewed From the Right and Notes on the Third Reich, if you already know the history of the Italian Fascist and NSDAP regimes.

>>21257602
>>21257609
>fat antifa mutt dyke posting in an evola thread
GTFO dumb bitch

>>21257735
Hermetic Tradition is my favourite of his, I'm not as interested in the political stuff. He's a great writer, whether or not you agree with him doesn't matter.

>>21253544
>Still waiting for empirical proof
How about 'idea', 'history', 'existence' or 'values' first if we're going to be pedantic, fucking retard nigger?

>>21257470
You look like an Arab.

>>21256803
>every book is meant to be for everyone, which is why I read theoretical mathematics
Lmao faggot nigger, kill yourself.

>>21253522
>>21253716
hes kind of demanding to read though, if someone who doesnt read just saunters in here from /pol/ actually understanding evola and guenon is a tall order

im not a big fan of Traditionalism but its just ignorant to say theres nothing to what theyre saying, not wanting to bother with it is understandable but being dedicated hateposting on /lit/ is just sad and bland >>21253522 is right people just hate on a vague idea of what he stand for

The moralist tends to think that the laws of God are more on his side than his enemy's, so he will try through faith in religion and the exercise of ritual to get God to settle down with him and go along with his way of life. The mystic, however, is not a moralist, for motion, complexity, and an angelic-demonic ambiguity in which one's enemy is also part of the divine manifestation in history are all part of cosmic life on the other side of the fence. Home means a lot to moralists, but the mystic is society's alien and is not allowed to have a home smaller than the universe, and any time he tries to settle for less, to settle down and set up fences, God appears as the moving whirlwind. The Book of Job, as the mystical Blake knew only too well when he decided to illustrate that text, is the mystics reply to the moralist. - William Irwin Thompson

>>21251826
Is this guy's solution to
>im not the like the other guys™
To be like some older guys?

Why not just be yourself?

>>21253362
>>21256036
Yeah, that chart is peak larp lol

>>21257953
He doesn't at all. He looks like a medmutt.

>>21258007
>doesnt know anything about the author
>creates an argument just guessing what he writes about

>>21257470
Based. What's your stats anon? How much do you lift?

>>21258069
>medmutt
Same Levantine shit as Arabs. Probably the more Northernly Arabs.
It's not like Nords aren't trash either. You're all the same trash people.

>>21258099
Ah ok, all races are actually the same.

>>21258099
>nords
This isn't skyrim you nigger retard

>>21258099
Shitty bait or you're legitimately retarded

>>21258110
>>21258114
>>21258125
Why don't you continue to theorize endlessly *about* tradition like the fatasses that you are instead of actually being *of* your fucking practice. I doubt morons like you could even handle real solitude, away from the computer and in nature. Stupid fucking insipid faggots. Theorizing endlessly thinking you're all wise and smarter with your dissimulations and terse, rigid metaphysical structures. Disgusting stupid motherfuckers without a shred of inner light. I'd cut off your heads and sit in FULL lotus among your corpses as they ooze out blood while chanting dharanis.
You stupid fucking pieces of shit. I wish I were a happy bird or whale. Instead, I am here with morons like you, endlessly babbling about your lifeless abstractions. Keep running that mouth about the sacred unity of life while you do shit but talk on a Mongolian Basket weaving forum like a bunch of stupid fucking insincere zoomer air-headed edgelords.
Keep going on and on with your babbling. Icchantikas and soulless depraved sophist lunatics. Just writing an endless Voynich Manuscript, a recursion of inanity and triviality and destroying entire landscapes for your pitiful and insincere attempts to "grasp" the Truth. Fucking stupid babbling faggots. This whole place is one mouth babbling eternal nonsense with no closure. All of you deserve to die and plummet to the hell you've created.

>>21258146

>>21258110
Race doesn't mean much when everybody is a degenerate.

i respect Evola way more than breadtubers/breadtrooners

the fact that he makes them cope&seethe is topkek

>>21251826
Nigga you probably play JRPGs shut up and pick up literally anything else

>>21258146
Didn't read, fag.

>>21258215
Counter-Tradition.

>>21251826
You read it slowly, with an e-reader that allows you to pull up the dictionary definition of all the words you are unfamiliar with

>>21258171
Why is he asian?

Ah sweet, a LARP thread!

>>21257470
Tranny mogged.

>>21253014
Be honest, have you ever read anything written by Marx? (Commie manifesto doesn't count).

>>21253362
A pretty good incel literature chart.

>>21251826

Evolian sedevacantism is the final redpill

People forget he called for people to take the tradcath pill at the end of Revolt

>>21256803
How is it S-grade when he is quite niche. Even scholars of fascism in academia only have given him a place in the "dangerous minds" pantheon only recently?

>>21256803
Sounds like you didn't read anything. It's more like there is special knowledge which is no longer for anyone (because anyone capable of receiving it has either receded from public view or died off), and any genuine spiritual transmission is dead and no one is special any more. It's much more pessimistic than you're making it out to be. You might be able to make the case that he thought there was some genuine "special knowledge" left in the Himalayas, but he seemed to even be slightly disillusioned about that after the communist invasion.

>>21258146
meds. now.

>>21259813
no

>>21256692
why would evola care about how the average Muslim of today acts? That would be frankly democratic reasoning, which isn't really Evola's approach.

if you’re going to read philosophy at least read something creative and inspiring

otherwise just create art to cope, which is precisely what a philosopher does

>>21261202
I read dostovesky to inspire me, but it didn't.

>>21251826
>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?
omg he's literally me
because you're a chud

>>21252053
this guy is such a waste of time it's almost criminal to suggest reading 10 books and 60 fucking articles to "understand" his trilogy
revolt doesn't require any preliminary reading, it's all laid out clearly if you can stomach his purposefully pretentious writing style
ride the tiger requires some foundation in german philosphy for the first half of the book but beyond that it's mostly disjoint rants and the book itself isn't really worth reading
no clue about men among the ruins, haven't wasted my time on that one, thankfully

>>21253522
there's on average 3 threads about him in the catalog at any given time and they're all made by /pol/ tourists
the reason his work is completely ignored outside of alt right circles is not because he's le heckin nazi forbidden knowledge it's because it's generally inconsequential if you're not into larping

>>21256692
I recognize you in each thread. Every single time you bring up racial shit where it doesn't belong. For all you know, he could be a blonde haired, blue eyed Chechen. Chechens can be just as barbaric as brown-skinned Arabs, if not worse. Stop. Making. Every. Single. Damn. Thing. Racial.
You're just a LARPing faggot, and you will never experience enlightenment at this rate. I'm sick and tired of depraved zoomers like you.

>>21261168
You're not really understanding. Islam has reached peak corruption, it is all down hill from here.
>>21261630
>For all you know, he could be a blonde haired, blue eyed Chechen
I'm not the guy you are responding to but even I know that he isn't. You didn't know you can figure out the race of who you are talking to? Man, you need to start activating that pattern matching brain of yours.

>>21262334
>I'm not the guy you are responding to but even I know that he isn't.
He could be, considering many radicalized Sunnis and Wahhabists are Chechens. Many of them even volunteered to fight for ISIS. There are blue eyed, blonde haired Islamic terrorists, many of which give Russia a hard time. Not everything is determinable from race, brainlet savage.
>You didn't know you can figure out the race of who you are talking to? Man, you need to start activating that pattern matching brain of yours.
You need to fuck off to /pol/, brainlet. I doubt you even read outside of your petty echochamber.

>>21262350
>Not everything is determinable from race
Well, I didn't really say that, now did I? Also, isn't denying genetics a form of science denial, which is basically haram? (Now I am saying/indicating it.)
>I doubt you even read outside of your petty echochamber.
I have some unfortunate news, but I'm well read on Nietzsche; Guenon; Evola; the far-right; third position; and I have some general grasp on Marxist concepts (By the by, I'd enjoy a recommendation.) This also means I don't really fit in well on /pol/. Thankfully, that isn't a major problem for me because politics is actually gay and corrupted by the bourgois.
Oh, but could we get back on the subject at hand, namely, Evola and Traditionalism?

>>21262382
>Well, I didn't really say that, now did I?
You implied it.
>which is basically haram?
I am not Muslim, illiterate /pol/ brainlet trash.
>Also, isn't denying genetics a form of science denial
I never did. It's debatable how much causal power it has in relationship to experience-dependent neuroplasticity and other facts. I don't deny its importance, but I don't think you can extrapolate that much idiosyncratic behavioral facts solely based on it.

I like funni tiger rider guy :)

>>21261554
>>21261579
You're just another pointless seething retard in an Evola thread.

>>21262406
>I am not Muslim, illiterate /pol/ brainlet trash.
I just called you a liberal, illiterate non-/pol/ brainlet trash.
>I don't think you can extrapolate that much idiosyncratic behavioral facts solely based on it
>I don't think
That was made clear to me. That is, you're just reacting to racism. Don't worry, I won't make a huge ''gotcha" out of this. Before this gets out of control: I was making a joke about their typing, however, they type like they're uncomfortable with the keyboard and quick to get the writing over though. We could extrapolate a lot from their choice of words, dashes, usage of spaces, and parenthesis. In fact, their typing style is very similar to a 20-something Indian. That doesn't mean that they are, but I'd say it's fairly possible. Although, I think the demographics of /lit/ is mostly whites. There's an entire field dedicated to this subject, my young and inexperienced friend.
>>21262408
me2! :)

>>21262429
Nice collection. What did you think of Intro to Magic? The translation of the first one is the best imom

>>21262429
>I just called you a liberal, illiterate non-/pol/ brainlet trash.
I'm not a liberal.
>That is, you're just reacting to racism.
I am racist but more towards a specific generation.
I don't bring it into every thread because I know that is petty.
>all those books creating theoretical edifices about tradition, yet not a single religious scripture or books on how to best practice within a respective tradition
You're an icchantika who will suffer for kotis of kalpas. You're a hungry ghost and will never penetrate the fundamental matter of your true nature. This all merely serves as a substitute for you, a proxy if you will, rather than actual doing. If you want to understand the fundamental matter, then you need more solitude [in nature] and contemplation, and theoretical edifices merely serve as an impediment to the realization of one's true nature. You are more interested in creating elaborate, spurious abstract structures rather than actual doing. This is because you are an insincere and disingenuous faggot. Philosophy is a failing approximation of good poetry, and there is no such thing as a "Theory of Everything". I find it humorous that "Traditionalists" are the least traditional of all people.
A fool like you will never awaken to his true nature because you are icchantika filth.
>He could extrapolate a lot from their choice of words, dashes, usage of spaces, and parenthesis. In fact, their typing style is very similar to a 20-something Indian. That doesn't mean that they are, but I'd say it's fairly possible. Although, I think the demographics of /lit/ is mostly whites. There's an entire field dedicated to this subject, my young and inexperienced friend.
Slit your throat, pseudointellectual garbage thinker.
Zoomer whites are the most dysgenic of all races currently. Get the jab and die. Smug sanctimonious garbage thinker.

>>21262439
Introduction to Magic was very different from most of the other "esoteric" stuff I had read. They always have symbols and drawings, but this one seemed to be more intune with trying to actually change the way you think about things. The idea about the body being just an avatar and we're basically remote-controlling it isn't unique, but trying to train you to think like this really helps you remove yourself from a situation if you aren't already accustom to being so. The symbolic relationship was pretty neat. I don't know, I was thinking about revisiting it when I finish the Golden Dawn tome. I know they're considered "profane", but I'm not that concerned about that aspect. It was mostly jus a general interest.
One more thing: I know they are collections, and you can tell when it isn't Evola, but I think he wrote most of them. I don't know much about the UR group, but I'm certain a few of those pseudonyms were Evola doing his secretive thing that he clearly enjoyed doing.
>>21262463
>I'm not a liberal
This is very rare, but I do refer to the worldview. That's fine.
All of this mischaracterization. I'm not a zoomer, nor worried about a "Theory of Everything", and that is only one shelf on one bookcase out of many. Your venom and anger is being wasted on an anonymous retard while you poison yourself grasping at whatever ideas you can conjure up of what I could be. You need to go be nothing for awhile.

>>21262463
Damn ur pissed

>>21261554
i'm not a chud.

>>21251826
>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?
Terminally online virgin with main character syndrome

>>21261579
cope&seethe

ywnbaw

>>21263170
ywnbaw

>>21257470
He looks like the anime man, lmao.

>>21251826
oh great another retard that thinks he's a special unique snowflake for constructing his identity around reacting like a neurotic victorian housewife clutching at pearls and feinting on couches from reading twitter and /pol/ all day. yes this will surely be a fruitful and joyous path to fulfillment

>>21264543
Evola, basically, said to not give a shit about politics. This guy might be better for it.

>>21264552
That's Guenon. Evola only said that things are so unbelievably bad after WW2 that there's no point in getting involved right away, because the existing right wing currents are either dispersed or they are control mechanisms. The liberal state doesn't care if 81 people die in a terror attack, it wants you to do stupid evil shit like killing civilians so it can justify becoming more powerful to "protect" the survivors by further enslaving them.

This is only true after WW2. Before WW2 the fascist states had a real chance of forming the order Evola wanted in Europe. It's the major reason for his disagreements with Guenon.

>>21264562
>That's Guenon
That is true, but what I meant was Evola's Ride the Tiger. Do not participate in obnoxious, modern party solutions because it doesn't do anything, and it might make you look questionable to the other Traditionalists/Evolians. The idea is to work on your self, participate in modernity as needed, but do not fall in line.
If this guy did that, he would probably want to stay off /pol/. Although, given enough time spent actually reading and learning, he may want to outright give up /pol/ when he realizes most of them are shitposting know-nothings that stumble on a few correct statements from time to time.

>>21264576
I think if he adopts the Evolan perspective then he should want to help /pol/fags reach the same perspective themselves, by leading by example. That doesn't always mean direct intervention. One of the favorite metaphors of both Guenon and Evola was the Aristotelian final cause or God, which acts on things without acting (in the usual sense of efficient causation), by making other things tend toward it and desire to find completion in it.

>>21264586
>adopts the Evolan perspective then he should want to help /pol/fags reach the same perspective themselves
Unfortunately, that is what I did. I just thought I interpreted it in such a way where I applied my interest in helping others.
Either way, you might be right.

Evola is astrology for men

>>21264596
You guys are going to keep looking like idiots when you regurgitate responses made by people who don't know anything about him either.

>>21251826
>why does the quote in pic related resonate so strongly with me?
because this is literal teenager bait and you apparently have the mind of one.
>Do you feel… different bro? This is because you are superior to the vulgar and belong to my little imaginary sect
Stop posting, stop browsing /pol/, and fuck off to read some real book, retard.

The way Evola is treated around here is comparable to how typical right wingers demonize Marx and le evil post-modernists, no one really bothered reading them to go beyond the misunderstandings. Fuck, Introduction to Magic is the best auto-initiation book I've ever read, containing a large compendium of tantric practices, forget Frabato. Nobody will go straight into a sangha and finding a legit guru can take a life time, it was just the perfect work to start deeping my toes in the water. This style of writing that makes it seems like tradition is calling you is what Evola does best, you will also find it in the beginning of Introduction to Magic. If you were to try to convince a young boy to meditate merely by telling him it's healthy you would get nowhere to be honest.

>>21251826
>you’re a special snowflake
Yikes

>>21264633
or new fags could just read Siddartha in an afternoon instead of obsessing about the esoteric hermetic cul-de-sac as a lifestyle

>>21264596
Is new age magical crystal hippism for right wing chuds

>>21264633
read revolt and it´s pretty dumb. What is tradition for evola anyway? No proof whatsoever of its transcendence beyond puting some random old stories together on the go

>>21264762
>puting some random old stories together
The metaphysical implications of many such stories also contradict one another.

>>21264762
There are basically two levels to Evola. At the first level, all you have to agree with him about is his ascetic metaphysics, in which formlessness is bad and form is good. Things that have form tend to give form to things surrounding them, so individuals with form tend to lead by example, forming groups, then groups become aristocratic and lead cultures by example, then these aristocracies and cultures become powerful enough to affect politics because inevitably when politics is run by formless men it will be dispersed and weak, and then inevitably the formalized men will give form to the state after taking it. Having form isn't arbitrary, as it's a singular process for every individual, basically described stably across all cultures as the process of "deconditioning" the individual and preparing him for metaphysical insight and self-control. Different cultures call it tantra, yoga, buddhism, platonism, taoism, zen, confucianism, but they all fundamentally agree on inner attunement and ordering, the purifying and subordinating of conditioned and merely acquired thoughts and instincts, and the creation of a true higher Self that can express its self-control "outward and downward," influencing its inner world and thus the outer world as well. Just as it can exert coherent force downward, to control the lower self and its surroundings, the purified self can also see further upward, at the actual truths and realities of the world, piercing the veil of relativism and nihilism.

The second level of Evola is the level at which he says there is explicitly an Aryan/Hyperborean tradition that is the thing one sees when one attains to this level. You don't have to follow him to this level if it's not what you see. But you can't really refute him until you've carried out the processes he describes, and then see for yourself what you think. If you don't do that, the best you can say is "I don't believe you that if I do those things, I will see metaphysical truths underlying history, that suddenly make sense of many myths and traditions."

But either way you can probably still see value in his aristocratic asceticism.

>>21264762
Revolt against the Modern World feels like a pamphlet, I didn't like it too. Perennialism is not putting a bunch of old stories together, more like finding what there is in common in the esoteric tradition of each religion, I put emphasis on esoteric. To be honest this global view doesn't interest me and I am more focused on my tradition, but you will notice descriptions of the absolute that go beyond mere similarities if you compare the writings of Meister Eckhart, Islam mystics, Hinduism and Hesychasm. Of course the end result of taking the intersection of many sets can only be artificial, you are limiting yourself to the experience of specific writers instead of the religion as a whole. It is best to view perennialism as a ladder that you use to climb and then throw it away.

>>21251826
Because you're a larpy retarded teenager. Now read some classics or go back.

>>21264904
>buddhism
Buddhism is about not clinging to form. One's true nature is also frequently described as formless. Furthermore, on a deeper level, form and formlessness are "not two" (i.e., "form is emptiness, emptiness is form").
>formalized men will give form to the state after taking... purified self
Not all traditions agree on the nature of purification, hierarchy, or proactive political stances.
In Mahayana, one's original nature is already pure, immaculate, and impossible to sully; delusions are likened to clouds that obscure one's true nature, which is always present. This is why the Diamond Sutra says though the Buddha liberates countless beings, not a single being is liberated. All sentient beings are equal in terms of Buddha nature, but human beings are in a unique and gifted position in that they can awaken to their original nature and, thus, attain Buddha hood. Mahayana is also pretty serious in that the attempt of "improving this world" via political power and exertion are futile due to the nature of impermanence, emptiness, and karma. In contrast, Zoroastrians take views similar as yours in regards to form, purification, (spiritual) hierarchy, and worldly attempts of "bettering the world". However, Zoroastrians are not ascetic.
>aristocratic asceticism
Han Shan most likely came from an aristocratic background, before becoming a hermit, and frequently lambasts the obsession with form from the scholar-officials. One's true nature is tacitly apprehended from non-grasping, wu wei ("inaction"), and solitude. This ascetism is irreconcilable with the aristocratic desire to "guide and perfect the world".
What you're describing of Evola sounds quixotic and short-sighted. The problem with Evola is his confirmation bias in cherry-picking myths that support his politicized mystical ideology. That would be fine if he did not create a grand subsuming narrative. This narrative is heavily suspect given it conflates too many contradictory elements and disingenuously ignores theological trends that fundamentally oppose his own. I would have issue with a leftist who did the opposite too (e.g., Theosophists).
Wouldn't it be better to read world religious texts and poets, using your own mind to uncover similarities and differences? What I've noticed about the Traditionalists is they interpret all world religions via their ideological lens, and this is disingenuous because it sweeps away all religious contentions in a manner that repackages them into a politicized worldview. In this sense, Traditionalism must be considered its own religion and not an overarching narrative.
Someone like Klages was much more interesting in 20th century European far-right movements. Klages was the Western "prophet" of the 20th century, not Evola. His writing is much more poetic, original, and profound. His views are much more insightful and do not revolve around selectively appropriating world religious traditions in a disingenuous manner.
Perennialism is nonsense.

>>21265058
>Wouldn't it be better to read world religious texts and poets, using your own mind to uncover similarities and differences?
Indeed this is what thousands of secular liberal academics do, and look where that has gotten us. There is nothing wrong with emphasizing the transcendental unity of religions while also maintaining their distinctness. It empirically brings more people to authentic practice than a million pop books and a billion academics ever will.

>>21264762
>things I like that people did in the past are part of le epic hyperborean ubermensch tradition
>things I don't like that people did in the past is subsequent corruption from women and brown people
>no I don't have to prove it because science is for women and brown people and the real hyperborean solar awakened kshatriya will instinctively know I'm right

>>21251826
You're wasting your time.

>t. went through a tradLARP /pol/ phase in my early 20s

>>21264904
Exactly. Evola becomes much more interesting once you enter the second level and delve into the realm of initiation which he deals with in his magic trilogy and metaphysics essays. The vast majority of people who disregard his work have not actually read him, let alone tried in all honesty to grasp the esoteric teachings he gives in his lesser known books, nor try to understand the overarching themes he is trying to shed light upon.

If one doesn't even recognize that modernity is all about counter-initiation in the first place, one will never have the necessary mindset to appreciate Tradition in any capacity whatsoever. Hylics are filtered from the get-go.

>>21251826
>Tradition
>ESL Fag
>Don't know where to go.

How about you go back where you came from? Have you thought about that before jumping on the cock of a foreigner like a desperate 3rd world village skank?

This is the message.

>>21265069
>indeed this is what thousands of secular liberal academics do, and look where that has gotten us
Not all academics are secular liberals, but I would agree it's presently dominated by them. However, one's personal political affiliations should never influence the translation process of ancient texts.
I have a problem with secular liberals, yes. For example, they actually ruined one particular translation of the Lotus Sutra, but I was able to avoid that one. You must research good translations.
The answer isn't narcissistic far-right nonsense either. The answer is to be as impartial and honest as possible with these texts.
>transcendental unity of religions
The claim of a "transcendental unity of religions" is already liberal in that it promotes unity even among those with serious contentions, and it could be potentially be used as an argument for further globalization. There is no transcendental unity. There are patterns of similarities, yes, but overall, given the different focuses of various traditions, it's their salient differences that distinguish them.
I consider Abrahamists and Zoroastrians to both be icchantikas, and there is good basis for that in the Mahayana sutras. That's not to say every Mahayana Buddhist believes that same as me, but I could make a much better defense for this claim than anything Evola has argued.

>>21265069
>secular liberal
Liberalism and Marxism are secularized Christianity. They also both use dialectics (akin to pilpul) in order to make any general arguements.
>>21265209
>The answer isn't narcissistic far-right nonsense either. The answer is to be as impartial and honest as possible with these texts.
I just wanted to quote you for extra emphasis on this part.

>>21265255
>I just wanted to quote you for extra emphasis on this part.
Why? Are you insinuating that statement was liberal?

>>21265295
>Why? Are you insinuating that statement was liberal?
Man, you might just be the most dense and defensive person on this forsaken website that you might start being referred to as a woman.
No, I am not insinuating that statement was liberal. I am saying it is important, possibly even the most important thing you have written in this thread.

>>21265302
>you might just be the most dense and defensive person on this forsaken website that you might start being referred to as a woman.
How was my question confrontational? It seems you're projecting. If anything, you're the one acting like a woman.

>>21265314
Well, I could have written you off as just "austistic", but that's definitely not the case now. Did I hit the nail on the head? (This is rhetorical)
Anyways, I was complimenting your statement. You responded with a question, a fair one. If you hadn't decided to lead with your second question, I wouldn't have taken your response as confrontational. I shouldn't have to explain this, you should know this via intuition.

>>21265255
Evola is not far-right, that's what I mean, tradition transcends politics.

>>21265328
Yes.

>>21265324
This is petty.
My original claim stands that there is no "transcendental unity of religion". It's not good jump all over the place making grand narratives that subsume all traditions, ignoring their irreconcilable differences. Traditionalists should have picked a different word to describe their ideological movement. I agree with traditionalism in the true meaning of its word: "the upholding or maintenance of tradition, especially so as to resist change". However, I don't agree with the Traditionalist school or perennialism. They're a bunch of LARPers. Just because there are similar trends across world religions does not indicate a primordial tradition from the vantage point of a non-tradition. If you're not making an effort of reading religious texts, meditation/prayer, or rituals, then you're not a traditionalist in the true sense of the word. Industrialization did, indeed, lead to the degeneration of world traditions, but it doesn't take Evola to recognize that. It takes dancing Han Shan in the clouds to know this.

>>21265324
This is petty.
My original claim stands that there is no "transcendental unity of religion". It's not good jump all over the place making grand narratives that subsume all traditions, ignoring their irreconcilable differences. Traditionalists should have picked a different word to describe their ideological movement. I agree with traditionalism in the true meaning of its word: "the upholding or maintenance of tradition, especially so as to resist change". However, I don't agree with the Traditionalist school or perennialism. They're a bunch of LARPers. Just because there are similar trends across world religions does not indicate a primordial tradition from the vantage point of a non-tradition. If you're not making an effort of reading religious texts, meditation/prayer, or rituals, then you're not a traditionalist in the true sense of the word. Industrialization did, indeed, lead to the degeneration of world traditions, but it doesn't take Evola to recognize that. It takes dancing with Han Shan in the clouds to know this.

Ebola ish shiddy slabe mister edge booksh fo pseuds, loser! Cyclic yuga shidd watchs yu mean loser??? yu really believe dat shidd? Yu Ztupid? Want to die?

(maybe giving them internet access for a few hours a day and regurgitating lines I give them was a mistake, mister thought. Oh well)

how to tradtards cope with the fact that esotericism was invented in the medieval era, hinduism aswell? The introduction to hindu doctrines was so dumb baka

>>21265492
Take all the complexity of the Middle Ages and early modern Europe, both of which feel complex to us because we can SEE them because the sources are still available and they are chronologically close, and realize that every other era was equally or potentially more complex and vibrant, from the ancient world to ancient India to ancient Egypt and other Bronze Age civilizations, and maybe even Bronze Age Europe. Real history isn't limited to what we just so happen to be able to see. Real history is the entire Wendic and Slavic civlization that nobody ever talks about but that flourished for a thousand years before being absorbed into European Christendom, and which was earlier in contact with the Germanic civilization that was absorbed by Charlemagne's empire, the one people only think of as miscellaneous mud hut dwelling barbarians when they think about them at all. Nobody talks about the entire Celtic civilization that was slowly absorbed by Rome after Caesar's conquests but that had multiple centuries of vibrant towns and cities and a culture spanning most of Central Europe.

And every single one of these civilizations had well-developed philosophical and metaphysical traditions that we only see scraps and tatters of. And moderns arrogantly assume this means that, for most of human history, all people did was sit around in dusty undecorated temples or mud huts, share a few "myths" that had no deeper meaning aside from being weird and entertaining, and wait for dragon dildos to be invented.

>>21265518
what are the scraps of metaphysics from the wendic and slavic civilizations? i am interested in guenons thought though like his writing so far

>>21265518
I find most ancient cultures to have many things to respect, but I just hold a general disdain for all of Abrahamism.
Germanic, Finnish, Slavic, and Celtic mythologies all have interesting deep mystical elements. I've only studied Celtic Mythology so far.

>>21251826
You need to be racist or you will never fully understand Tradition. Evola can't take you all the way. Perennialism is a lie.

>>21265633
>I've only studied Celtic Mythology so far.
Any recommendations for the Irish cycles?

>>21265667
I enjoyed the Fenian Cycle the most, which is in Gods and Fighting Men by Lady Gregory, and I believe that has most of Finn Mac Cumhill's journeys. However, I do recommend all of these books. I read all of them this year:

1. The Tain (transl. Thomas Kinsella)
2. Early Irish Myths and Sagas (transl. by Jeffrey Gantz)
3. Gods and Fighting Men (trans. Lady Gregory)
4. A Brief History of the Druids by Peter Berresford Ellis
5. To Speak for the Trees: My Life's Journey from Ancient Celtic Wisdom to a Healing Vision of the Forest by Peter Berresford Ellis

#5 is more about how the modern Irish have preserved various Celtic customs up to modern times. It spends a lot of time detailing the local Celtic culture of the Lisheens.
The animated movie Wolfwalkers isn't bad btw. It feels like a Celtic Princess Mononoke, but I am not sure if you like animation.

>>21265985
Very nice, thank you. Lady Gregory is someone I've looked into, but her books are difficult to find. And yeah, my wife and I loved Princess Mononoke, so I'm grabbing it right now.

>>21265667
I enjoyed the Fenian Cycle the most, which is in Gods and Fighting Men by Lady Gregory, and I believe that has most of Fionn mac Cumhaill's journeys. However, I do recommend all of these books. I read all of them this year:

1. The Tain (transl. Thomas Kinsella)
2. Early Irish Myths and Sagas (transl. by Jeffrey Gantz)
3. Gods and Fighting Men (trans. Lady Gregory)
4. A Brief History of the Druids by Peter Berresford Ellis
5. To Speak for the Trees: My Life's Journey from Ancient Celtic Wisdom to a Healing Vision of the Forest by Diana Beresford-Kroeger

#5 is more about how the modern Irish have preserved various Celtic customs up to modern times. It spends a lot of time detailing the local Celtic culture of the Lisheens.
The animated movie Wolfwalkers isn't bad btw. It feels like a Celtic Princess Mononoke, but I am not sure if you like animation.

>>21265998
>her books are difficult to find
I'm not sure if you live in the USA, but here you go:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1482758989

ISBN-13: 978-1482758986

I wrote a lot of summaries and analyses of the Celtic mythology because I wanted to write a weird fiction story based on them, but I never got around to it due to various circumstances.

>>21264633
>The way Evola is treated around here is comparable to how typical right wingers demonize Marx and le evil post-modernist
This.

>>21264599
ywnbaw

>>21251826
what a fucking larp jesus christ

>>21252382
if you want to skip straight to the end of this journey go here
>>21264277

>>21256300
Booyah! Sick burn, bro. That faggot just got owned!

>>21265077
you are a faggot and possibly a nigger

>>21251826
Because like with Randians, you like the idea of a secret elitist club you're most assuredly a part of, even though you're a walking mediocrity.

>>21267179
Isn't that just all intellectuals?

>>21267197
Definitely not.

>>21267199
Why not? They all act like it, especially philosophers

>>21267200
They don't. As a recent example, I point to you Gabor Mate.

>>21251826
Don't know enough about Evola but poltards reading pic related and feeling that it resonates with them: This will 99% just be the massive cope of a schizotypal loner who can't find a place in this world and escapes into some fantasy where he is among the chosen ones.
YOU LOOK LIKE A GOOD JOE.

Speaking of Evola, I remember him writing a book about authentic pagan rituals of the ancient world but I haven't been able to find it anywhere and cannot remember the name. Did he ever write such a book or was it written by someone else?

>>21266000
fight me

>>21267257
The Path of Enlightenment in the Mithraic Mysteries

>>21267179
kantbot, you will always be a pseud when it comes to evola + guenon

>>21262429
You haven’t read any of those

>>21257470
Gymcel, unmistakable. The Evola book and composition are, of course, a dead giveaway, but you likewise see it in the dead eyes (canthal tilt is completely off the charts, literally eggman tier), the underbite which is either a) natural, in which case autism, or b), done to give the illusion of a stronger jaw, in which case autism - further, we hav the beard - the slightly upturned face meant to give the illusion that this is a real beard, and not a neckbeard (it is - 90% of it is on the neck, the rest is a very shitty goatee that does not even cover the bottom of the mouth).

In the background we have a used tissue paper - a compulsive masturbator - no decoration on the wall, except for a tacky cross (likely he is trying to emulate Rust Cohle from True Detective - cringe levels are nearing 10000%), as well as a tiny, tiny amount of books, which is par for the course for an Evolafag, as they are retards who do not read.

>>21267381
kek
you envy him

>>21267393
I am bona fide autistic. I don't have feelings nor do I understand them.

>>21251826
because it's literally pic related and you're a teenager still climbing to the idea that you might be special by birthright and finding yourself thrown into a situation ("the party", "the modern world", etc.), instead of trying to process the obivous truth that you are anything but special (by birthright) and that the only way of being unique is becoming unique through action, hard work and participation in reality

>>21267205
I don't know nor care who that is, but they really do if they have anything at all important to say.

funny how obvious the discordtranny influx in these threads is

>>21251826
Evola is nu-/pol/

>>21267436
truthposter spotted

>>21251826
>muh based fascist zionist

>>21267436
I'm not OP but i don't think they're mutually exclusive. when I did psychedelics I was somewhat like that with main character syndrome but it's been years since then. now i am by most accounts a married normie who fully participates in this world yet still thinks there is truth to what he (and others) write about. It's mainly due to the realisation that modern society is completely perverse on all fronts. if i was not married I'd probably be a monk by now

>>21259781
In path of cinnabar he dismisses most conversions to catholicism as dead ends. He says catholicism is only useful for those who can use it as a stepping stone to something ‘more’ a la meister eckhart

>>21267267
>5'4
lol

>>21267897
lol, source?

>>21268452
>lol
>source?
zoomer confirmed.

Mussolini and the Jews : German-Italian relations and the Jewish question in Italy, 1922-1945 by Michaelis, Meir

>>21268690

>>21254694
both are good imo

>>21268452
Here's the proof of Evola's Zionism.

>A) - The Jew is an uprooted person; it is not traditional Judaism that is dangerous, but one who has no homeland or landmarks. (...)

>Q) Do you include in this accusation against the Jewish race certain traditional values such as Kabbala?
>A) - Certainly not. On the traditional level it would be frivolous to create such oppositions. Only the formulations are different. At a certain level there is agreement among 'those who know' (...)

>Q) - Would you therefore be for the State of Israel?
>A) - If there are any dangerous Jews, it is not those in Israel, who work, organize, witness extraordinary military virtues; it is those in Western metropolises, who thanks to democracy have their hands free. If today anyone wants to pose the Jewish problem it comes too late; it no longer exists. As I have told you, the 'inner' race problem is far more important in my eyes; and the attitudes for which the Jew was considered undesirable are so widespread among good Aryans today that it would be unjust and unjustified to discriminate against them."

>From An Interview with Julius Evola (Heliodromos, No. 6, Spring 1995)

source: https://www.heliodromos.it/n-6-nuova-serie-1995/
https://forum.termometropolitico.it/463376-evola-israele.html

For those interested in evola's support for the state of israel and his opinion on JQ can get Elisabeth Antébi's book, "Ave Lucifer" (1970) publisher Calmann-Lévi where this Antébi-Evola interview from the 1967 is contained in full.
http://www.antebiel.com/EN/books/avesatan.html
http://www.antebiel.com/EN/roman/D5_E3.html#JEvola

>>21268690
>>21269026
>>21269227
>>21267897
this
Hitler started ww2 so he could give the jews a new homeland in madagascar

>>21267897
Except for the fact that Evola is nowhere to been seen on that chart.

>>21264543
me on the left

>>21269752
See: >>21269026, >>21269227