/lit/ - Literature

this book is non-fiction

>>21346362
I think some conspiracies are real.

>>21346366
yes, and it says: the secret is empty

>>21346362
Overall it felt like it had huge potential that was wasted. I hated all the stuff about Italian politics that had nothing to do with the main story, and Belbo’s memories and love life, etc. By the time you get to “the plan” it’s past halfway of the book and I put it down. I agree with Anthony Burgess that it needs an index.

>>21346362
The book references so many different things and it was difficult for me to tell what aspects are integral to the point or message of the novel and what was just fluff. Once they actually start working on "The Plan" it's quite interesting but everything leading up to that point feels pointless, but maybe I'm just a midwit.

>>21346720
No, the book is for midwits

>>21346743
what book does it better?

>>21346635
had the same experience but pushed through till the schizo stuff was laid out, was worth it

>>21346366
thought about this as well. A lot of passages could be interpreted as hints to "this is actually real, disguised as a parody of the truth"

>>21346756
Picrel, obviously

>>21346813
good one, this one feels more like a fun psychedelic pop book while eco resembles pure intellectual edging

this book unironically glows, but it is quite funny

>>21346852
>glows
so whats the true intention of this book?

>>21346768
Cool I might pick it back up from where I left off one day.

>>21346845
More like Eco copied and pasted a stack of occult esoterica and splurged his own politics on top.

>>21346898
Maybe finishing the book will change your mind although you're somewhat right - besides the point he not only copy pasted a fuckton of esoteric material but also interconnected it (which the whole book is about)

>>21346845
There's more meat to it than you might expect - RAW was after all a Joyce scholar in his early career. But yes pop is still the right word I guess, or Pynchon-lite

have anyone read the name of the rose by Eco? i'm willing to read it soon

Fun diversions into interesting bits of history and philosophy that barely holds together as a plot. I still liked it.

>>21346977
I liked it as a mystical crime story, I didn't much care for ecos overblown ramblings of medieval history and skimmed over those parts

>>21347000
actually that's one of the reasons why i'm gonna read it in the first place. an autistic semiotician ranting about medieval history

>>21346977
If you don’t understand 1970s Italian communist sectarianism you won’t enjoy the name of the rose. It’s a metaphor about praxis and MEGA.

>>21347030
Disagree, i enjoyed it without knowing anything about it
>>21347013
Great, have fun!

>>21347060
I’d hate to see the sex you enjoy.

>>21347093
I'd love to have you watch me

>>21347093
>>21347149
God bless /lit/.

>>21346362
I liked it a lot but because I'm a midwit I only realized at the end that it was supposed to be satire.

>>21346362
this book is non-fiction

>>21346362
800 pages of pure unfiltered autism AND schizoposting, thanks Eco

>>21346362
I am reading this right now, 400/538 pages, might finish today or tomorrow. It's amusing enough though the tedium of the structure is annoying to me. Barring something very interesting happening in the final section I think I will ultimately prefer The Name of the Rose.

>>21346961
Pynchon did not invent paranoia. Writers in the 60s were independently "in" on the whole zeitgeist. He was a product of ot after all.

>>21346977
If you like mysteries and medieval stuff you will enjoy it.
>>21347030
this anon is a pseud faggot, ignore him

>>21346977
>>21347000
>>21347013

>>21351104

For me, it's The Prague Cemetery

>>21346362
I found it a good "jumping off point" for other things to read about or look into since it covers such a wide range of topics. For instance, his brief tangents on historical events like the crusades and templars left me wanting to know more, which lead me to reading pic related.

anyone who enjoyed this book must read Eco's The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana. It deals with similar themes but is about 20x better than this Foucault's Pendulum

why would i want to read about a pedophile postmodernist?

>>21346813
i had the same problems other anons noted with eco midway through this one - it rambles pretty hard and reminded me of reading house of leaves like 20 years ago and just putting it down in disgust. conspiracy theories are often well poisoned by actual government shills so at a minimum there is a conspiracy to spread conspiracy theories. there is an annoying smugness on both sides of the issue.

quigley and anthony sutton and examples of more dense non-fiction approaches to the subject. tragedy & hope being the primer on most of the ideas they develop throughout the post war period.

>>21346874
discrediting dissenters of the liberal world order

>>21352495
Cool, I grabbed this one.
I tend to have a knee jerk reaction to people who go on about "conspiratards" and such, because I think I know which conspiracies they mean to mock and why. The thing is, while I consdier myself sympathetic to conspiracies theories, I actually think of them as represented by a few particular ones, while the vast majority I find to be disingenuous water muddying or just misguided.