/lit/ - Literature

>>22288491
>"bear the world as it is! don't change anything! be le epic stoic and never want change!"
imagine telling contemporary conservatives that their complaints about wokeshit stem from an inability to bear things as they are.
also vegetarianism and kindness to animals aren't unique to leftism.

>>22288514
During French Revolution they opened the gates of asylums.

>>22288600
What mean?

>>22288634
>The people have been tricked into a social democratic bailiff state, but the clump of concrete of sterile laws shall be crushed by a hammer of steel --- my new collection of essays!
(literal and probably poor translation but whatever)
To get back to Strindberg and leftism, here's one about how dynamite is great because it's cheap enough to allow the common man to be a terrorist, as opposed to expensive gun powder.

När kungar skola skjuta folk,
begagnas kulor och kanoner.
Kanonen, som är maktens tolk,
dock kostar upp till millioner.
När folken skola skjuta kungar,
då ha de bara dynamit,
kanonen länsat deras pungar,
och fattig hjälte blir bandit.

O Barthold Swartz, du store,
man firat nyss din jubelfest,
som om din stora upptäckt vore
ibland de bästa aldra bäst.
Ditt pulver svart liksom din kappa,
det var en präktig medicin,
det verkar hastigt som Jalappa,
och botat kyrkans kolerin.

Men ock det slagit blåa dunster
i folkens ögon när det brann,
och alltför dyr på dina gunster,
du aldrig blev en folkets man.

Nobel, ditt namn hörs sällan prisas!
Din upptäckt stundom dock med skrik
sig påmind gör, men då förvisas,
ty den har luktat politik.
Din vita salva redan botat
så många sår av käpp och knut,
och fast med tullförbud man hotat,
den har gått fri som kungligt krut.

Den frigjort snart det gamla Russia,
den slår i kistan spik på spik.
Om världen ej ett stort Borussia
skall bliva ömkligt, blodigt lik,
då är det du som har meriten
att jorden ännu ej står lik.
Så vit som snö är dynamiten,
»som oskuld och som arsenik!»

Du Swartz, en liten edition lät taga
för de förnäma och för furstehusen!
Nobel! Du gav en väldig folkupplaga,
som ständigt lägges upp i hundratusen!

>>22288648
>>The people have been tricked into a social democratic bailiff state, but the clump of concrete of sterile laws shall be crushed by a hammer of steel --- my new collection of essays!
Kek that's Strindberg

What is your opinion on the matter?

>>22288655
>that's Strindberg
on a more literal level it's (a caricature of) lars gustafsson
>What is your opinion on the matter?
more of a drinker than a thinker, me

>>22288664
>more of a drinker than a thinker, me
Why do you read? Alcohol isn't enough?

>>22288688
>Why do you read?
it's fun

>>22288695
based

>>22288491
I have never seen a right winger who understood leftist ideologies. I have seen many good leftists criticizing other leftist ideologies but right-wingers just don't get it. I wonder if I misunderstand them in the same way as they misunderstand us. And if yes how come the two sides misunderstand each other this much? We have books to read and people to talk to from both sides but we just don't seem to get what the other is saying.

>>22290262
echo chambers. left and right don't interact with each other in good faith. each only perceives each other through some interpretive lens like news or memes.
no one cares to read both sides in equal fashion.
the left is the lefts best critic, the right is the rights best critic.
cable news has ruined lay politics. neocons and liberals only argue current events on a surface level until theres new current events.
social media is just cable news + debate forum for the newer generations.

>>22290262
>I have never seen a right winger who understood leftist ideologies
"The trouble with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money."

>>22290262
Leftism is characterised by belief in equality (of races and sexes and classes), the changeability of human nature, nominalism, atheism, materialism, the conception of the State as a mere instrument of social utility (a vehicle of class oppression in the Marxist sense or a tool to curb the excesses of the market in the liberal sense), and the equation of “individual expression” and “satisfaction of the appetite”. Really the only interesting expression of leftism is Marxism.

Seen on a deeper spiritual level, leftism is just identical to the ever-revolutionising force of Modernity, which is identical to the force of Satan. It is the same force behind the Protestant Revolution, the French Revolution, the Capitalist (Industrial) Revolution, the Communist and Socialist Revolutions, the Sexual Revolution, the Civil Rights Revolution, the Vatican II Revolution, the new Revolution against Gender, and the future Revolution against the concept of the Human (which after all, since you are nominalists, is just an empty word).

This force is necessary so that the prophesies in the Book of the Apocalypse would be fulfilled: that the Church would enter an eclipse and the anti-Christ, who declares man to be God, will rule.

>>22290698
>Leftism is characterised by belief in equality
Then it fucks up right there.
No two people are equal, in any respect.

>>22290698
>Seen on a deeper spiritual level

That's it, ended here, any analysis beyond here is mental retardation. Btw, marxism and christianity are are compatible

>>22290698
It isn’t the force of Satan it’s the force of metaphysical entropy, the eternal cycle of decline and renewal, and Christianity was just another degeneration as any of those other events you listed were.

>>22291130
>Btw, marxism and christianity are are compatible
No. Christianity sees the illness of man as a spiritual condition. Marxism sees it as a material one. Christianity upholds the patriarchal family as a divine institution. Marxism states that the family is only a product of current property relations, and will dissolve when the bourgeois system is overthrown. Christianity upholds certain truths as eternal and unchanging (morality, religion, justice, and so on). Marxism states that the ideas of each age are determined by property relations, and to the extent that any "universal" ideas appear, it is only because all history has involved the oppression of one class by another. Christianity conceives of history as slowly degenerating to complete godlessness until the Last Judgement. Marxism conceives of history as a slow progression towards the elimination of class through the working out of class antagonisms.
>>22291215
Christianity is the truth. But referring to it as "Christianity" is as inaccurate as speaking about a general "Islam". When I say Christianity I am not including the Protestants; when you think of it you probably exclusively think about a little Baptist church in some American village.

>>22288600
Kek

>>22290698
>>22292140
Augustine called your book of revelation gnostic garbage, I'm sure your apocalypse will come during your lifetime. Dumb Christcuck.
>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)
>“The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)
>“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)
>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17).
>Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24:34)
Just two more millennia and your literal Jewish star wars will come true.

>>22292146
>Augustine called your book of revelation gnostic garbage
St. Augustine does not decide the canon. He is a great Saint and Doctor of the Church, but ultimately the Church is the final authority on these matters, and she has given us the book of Apocalypse as legitimate.

As to certain quotes in the Bible saying that the end is near: it is true. In the cosmic drama of all things we are in the latter stage of history. Christians must live as though the coming of Christ were around the corner, so that we may increase in Virtue and fear Judgement. However, it was always held by the Church that no man knows the time.

Augustine:
>That now from the Evangelic and Prophetic signs that we see come to pass, we ought to look that the Lord’s coming should be nigh, who is there that denies? For daily it draws ever more and more near, but of the exact time it is said, “It is not for you
to know the times or the seasons.” [Acts 1:7] See how long ago the Apostle said, “Now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.” [Rom 13:11] What he spoke was not false, and yet how many years have elapsed, how much more may we not say that the Lord’s coming is at hand now, that so great an accession of time has been made?

>>22292210
>Augustine does not decide the canon
The canon is "decided" by violence, blackmail and squabbling, we already learned that during the council of nicea and still not everyone conformed, lmao. Your garbage cult is more fragmented than the holes in your Jewish fairytales and fortunately dying out. As the autismo Guenon well put "the end of the world never is and never can be anything but the end of an illusion", so that's the apocalypse that is coming for every abrahamist, your cults dying out and nobody believing in your illusions. So be careful about wanting your apocalypse, dumb larping newfag.

>>22292224
The tradition of the Church decides these things. The world will end, this world is decaying since the Fall, even the physicists know this.

>>22292241
Yes, the tradition of backstabbing, violence and blackmail decides, I already said, I know.
Only thing ending are your delusions and your cult.

>>22290698
This anon goes schizo but he's right in a sense.

The core conflict of right vs left is the eternal struggle of the right hand path and the left hand path, of god and satan. This is why so many people perceive Milton's Satan as being a sort of tragic hero, because he embodies ideals which are in many regards virtuous and admirable, whereas god is sometimes considered the villain because he seems to embody the arbitrary nature of authority.

Through the lens of leftism, rebellion against such authority is virtuous - in fact revolution in all contexts, an endless paradigm shift, is good. But through the lens of rightism, rebellion can only be good if it resists inauthentic authority, authority which itself is not virtuous.

Essentially the old adage is true, leftism is childhood and rightism is adulthood. As a child your parents always seem wrong, and you always want to supplant them and try new things, to become the authority yourself. But when you do, you realize that you're just as flawed, or moreso, than the parents you once chaffed under.

The explosion of leftism in modernity is a result of children being enabled to stay children for far longer than in the past, both because of the creature comforts of life and because elder generations live to be much older and keep a stranglehold on the reigns of authority for far longer than they should.

>>22292146
Atheists need genocided

>>22290698
True with the exception that the Catholicism is the original leftism.

>>22292542
Rabbi Yeshua/Mohammed will not make you less swarthy. Neither in this life nor the next.

>>22290262
I’ve never seen a leftist understand the right either, as metaphysics is reactionary to them and the right is completely above material analysis. The right is the default political standard, anything after the age of reason is leftism.

>>22292548
Uh both my parents are English people.

>>22292552
English "people"

>>22290262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw