/lit/ - Literature

>implying they don't play annoying sounds from the loudspeakers at random intervals 24/7 to piss you off

Do prisoners legit get to sit around reading all day in their cells?

I model my life after movie characters, so does anyone have any movies about a dude reading a lot in prison?

I wonder if the TV can be shut down or not.

>>23228486
>Three meals a day
>Lounge around and read/jack it all day
>Don't pay rent
>Don't have to socialise
>Also have TV
Apart from the shower bum sex, how is prison a deterrent?

>>23228539
>Don't have to socialise
>shower bum sex
I don't think these can coexist.

>>23228519
Con air

>>23228514
Depends on the security rate. Lower ones don't allow prisoners much free time in the cells - they have to do work every day.

High security ones keep prisoners in the cells most of the time, but those are also turbo anal about regulations to make your life hell - it's the ones where the guards slam your face into the concrete, cuff you and throw you into a 48 hours solitary box with no belongings for having an extra wrinkle on your pillow. Or for lying down wrong. Or for shitting outside the designated shitting time.

>>23228542
Well you don't have to talk to them do you, just take it in the ass or give one back

>>23228539
I'd imagine the absence of women and nature, on a purely primal level, would begin to take its toll.

>>23228539
>Apart from the shower bum sex
Is this an actual thing or just a myth?

>>23228553
Meh i have done that for a long time already, and now that i have been in a few relationships i'm not bothered anymore.

>>23228551
The worst I heard is the one where inmates had them basic-bitch b&w TVs, and they had to watch specific programs on those TVs at appointed time. Not watching at full attention is a disciplinary charge.

Mandatory daytime state cable. For hours. Every day. No day-offs.

>>23228514
Some do, there is probably nothing else to do. Actually for me, there would be nothing else to do (except exercise).

>>23228554
There is a lot of gay sex in prisons, but it's mostly between the basically-animals with a coom dependency that would humble even the most shameless internet weeb, and the bitch bottoms who are straight up willing.

Violent rape is more of a gang business, where a gang member may get raped by his superior for fucking up big time, or one gang rapes a member of another gang to flex on them. Just grabbing a random dude and raping him for no reason is a big nono in most prisons in the world, and a guy who does that would typically get punished both by the admin (and nobody would consider that snatching) and the internal prison hierarchy.

>>23228553
>absence of women
bro...

>>23228566
Oh also anyone who is doing time for abusing children. Those guys develop into gay bottoms out of necessity - fucking them in the ass is less of an offence and more of a public duty, as far as inmates and COs are concerned.

>>23228554
It's real. Prison rape is an epidemic in America.

>>23228566
>and a guy who does that would typically get punished
Do note that this being heavily punishable doesn't mean that it's not happening.

People who do things despite them being heavily punishable are kinda the group that prisons tend to accumulate a lot.

I love how you can be ignorant of actual prison conditions and how your access to books is practically nonexistent while living in a country with more incarcerated prisoners than there are actual literate high schoolers

>>23228539
Shower bum sex isn't a deterrent for some either

>>23228576
Sounds like its an American thing then

>>23228587
For europeans, no one calls it rape since you’re all muslim and that behavior is expected

>>23228486
>Black and white tv
...why?

>>23228539
because ni ggers and other retards
You will likely be sharing a cell with another inmate who is very likely a violent retard, you will also have to go to common areas at appointed times and meet other violent retards. Prisons are overcrowded and it's unlikely you will get a single cell for yourself, also book selection is limited

>>23228596
Let me guess...you "need" more?

>>23228539
refuted

>>23228486
Damn, American prisoners live like that. Pic related is the average Brazilian prison.

>>23228551
>>23228559
Isn't this just torture? Wtf.

>>23228486
How does the shitter work? Is there no lid on it? How do you clean it if the shit sticks to the surface? Also do the prison guards watch you take a shit.

>>23228486
There are cameras since it’s max security meaning the guards watch you masturbate. Sounds like hell lmao fitting for a criminal piece of shit

>>23229013
You thought prison was Disneyland or something ? lol

>>23229048
Keep them in for life, or kill them if you think they deserve it. Torture seems so unnecessary and pointless.

>>23229054
These violent scumbags destroyed people’s lives. They deserve this “torture”.

>>23229045
guess I should go to prison around november

>>23228542
Imagine being anally raped and the guy asks you how your day is going.

>>23228587
It's predominant in South America, Africa, and USA, and it's a black/hispanic prison thing. You have a high likelihood of being raped at some point if you aren't ugly. Prisons in America are dangerous, absolutely nothing like European ones (until Europe gets enough immigrants)

>>23228539
You are typically limited to the prison library, which is largely hit or miss (usually miss). If you’re a good boy you could convince someone to buy and bring you books but they’ll be inspected once you receive them and if the warden and/or his staff don’t want you to have the book you simply don’t get it, end of story.

Reading in prison is what turned Detroit Red into Malcolm X

>>23230736
his chapter about how he learned to read and write on his own in prison was very inspiring

>>23228486
I'm currently paying $1500/mo for one of these.

>>23230762
anyone can learn to read and write "on his own in prison"

>>23230762
IIRC he already knew how to, he just used his time in prison to actually do it

>>23230736
To be clear, it is believed in Islam that forsaking the name of your father, even if his name is that of a slave, is a sin.
Malcolm X was not a good Muslim.

>>23230779
Read and/or watch My Dinner With Andre. The city is a new concentration camp where the prisoners are also the guards

>>23230786
t. didn't read the book

Literature banned in prisons is a good indication of what's actually useful to know.

>>23230783
>I became increasingly frustrated at not being able to express what I wanted to convey in letters that I wrote, especially those to Mr. Elijah Muhammad. In the street, I had been the most articulate hustler out there. I had commanded attention when I said something. But now, trying to write simple English, I not only wasn’t articulate, I wasn’t even functional. How would I sound writing in slang, the way 1 would say it, something such as, “Look, daddy, let me pull your coat about a cat, Elijah Muhammad—”
i like to think that his street hustle was the foundation for his charismatic public speaking skills but his time in prison refined it

>>23230789
>My Dinner With Andre
kike shit

>>23230819
cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>23228553
lol sweet summer child

>>23229013
It's not torture if it's legal.

>>23229066
Retarded manchild.

>>23229054
>Torture seems so unnecessary and pointless.
The point of labor exploitation in low security prisons and constant regiment fuckery in high security ones is not in inflicting suffering per se (and not in making money of slave labor for low secs, tho it is a factor) - the point is leaving inmates no free time to get bored in.

When they have an abundance of time and boredom they start getting up to shit to keep themselves occupied, be it drug smuggling, gambling, gang activities, buggery, escape attempts, fighting, rioting, etc. The optimal most manageable inmate is the one that is too tired to wish anything other than getting some sleep in peace 24/7 through his entire time on the inside. That's also why the prison admin is inherently at odds with inmate hierarchy that tends to offload all the labor duties on the low-status prisoners: while losers are painting walls and gathering trash, the bored gangstas get to playing craps, making shanks out of toothbrushes, and stabbing each other with toothbrush shanks over cheating in craps.

The pointless suck activities for grunts in any military serve the same purpose - the servicemen must never be idle or well-rested, or they'll be getting into trouble.

>>23229013
Did the fact that going to American prison is synonymous with getting gay raped not tip you off to what the intent is? They could fix endemic gay rape, but it's a feature and encouraged, not a bug.

How do you think America virtually eliminated jury trials and why 99+% of charges end in pleas? Do you really think the cops get the right person 99% of the time?

No. They overcharge you and tell you that you can either plea and give them a bunch of money, or risk going to jail if you go to trial, which is an implicit rape threat, although the cops might make it explicit by threatening rape in the pre-trial jail if you fail to plea. America massively under funds its justice system so they judges are livid if small crimes are brought to trial with a jury, so you will face an angry judge and uphill battle and rape for asking for your right to a jury. Hence no one does it except for people facing very serious penalties either way.

>>23228539
>Absence of women
They make YOU the woman Anon...

I wish there was a way I could be in this environment for one year, I would be able to finish my 3 books in that period. The prisons in my country are too shitty. I heard you can visit and even live in Svalbard without a visa but i don't have the money to travel or take care of myself once there. I just need isolation from the internet and any electronic media for one fucking year.

>>23231799
You will be disappointed to find out that the police genuinely believe you're the criminal and that their threats are just a way of coercing you into telling the truth, similar to how a parent might threaten a beating when a child doesn't own up to stealing the cookies. If the cookies were stolen by the sister? Well, too bad because the parent will never know that, but they want to ensure justice so you're getting a beating.

The fact is, the police are not trying to be evil. They're also underfunded (relative to the extreme level of crime) and swamped with work.

>>23228486
Personally, if I were to design a prison, I would have provided Internets, at least.

A prisoner is effectively a movement-restricted brain. Allowing one to sap into, say, libgen - would have been an overall cultural boon. They'd simply have nothing better to do, but to self-educate and start writing scientific articles.

Forcing instead the primate to just spit in the ceiling 24/7, is a severe underutilization of neural network computational power.

>>23231844
>>23231799
As an anecdote, I was heavily threatened by police for just walking late at night because they suspected that I committed a crime. They insinuated I'd be going to jail shortly, personally threatened and insulted me, all of that stuff, but luckily my body language was autistic and shy, and when they performed the background check and saw I had a mental health history, their whole body language changed; they offered to give me a ride to a gas station or home, apologized, told me how dangerous it is at night, even asked if I needed any help, etc.

The police are stretched thiiiiiiin, underfunded, undertrained, and stressed out by criminals constantly lying. It's not great at all, but to a european or a bourgeois faggot living in a low crime area, it looks senseless. Unfortunately, police are just responding ton a senseless situation. I'd much rather be treated poorly by police than robbed and killed by a criminal because an officer was too afraid of being meanie-head.

>>23231844
I don't think the police are evil (in general, some might be). I think they are often indifferent/numb to the risks of punishing innocent people though.

Most people brought in are guilty. But that's not really the point. The point is that overcharging and DA leverage has essentially stripped the right to a jury away from people.

That the choice is often between significant time in prison and "pay us lots of money and do parole," is obviously open to huge levels of abuse. People don't need to be evil to give in to a system of perverse incentives.

Look at what Cato did on civil asset forfeiture. Because police were given the legal right to seize cash from people with impunity and then pay themselves with it they began seizing way more cash, without any clear links to illicit activity, in what in some cases amounted to simple robbery.

>>23231852
You wish to make prisons better than schools. This would never fly with the government.

>>23231855
Nah, I worked managed a police department. If they are stretched thin it is because their $110,000 average take home pay, continually inflated by their contact, is sucking the money out of the budget.

You want GPS to make sure they actually do their patrols. Fuck you, not in the union contract. Pay me 8% more and we'll talk.

Body came. Fuck you, pay me 9% more and maybe we will talk.

I had over 10% of my force under indictment at one point, almost all DUIs and domestic abuse. It is extremely difficult to fire cops. We fired some for a bar room brawl where 8 of them jumped two guys, and where one pulled out his service weapon, and they all got their jobs back with back pay.

Some states aren't nearly as bad about this but many are. They act with impunity because their unions are ridiculously overpowered. Imagine an army where a president says "do this" and the soldiers say "fuck you, talk to my union boss, I'm not doing shit." They is what mayors and sheriffs deal with. The elected official has to deal with a parallel chain of command who only looks out for the police.

There are plenty of good police but the system is not fucked solely due to lack of money. The unions allow for the corrosion of all discipline and an environment of impunity. Public sector unions shouldn't even exist, especially paramilitary ones.

>>23228588
Rekt

>>23231856
Yeah that's reasonable, I just think that in the USA the social climate is so bad that there's little choice besides letting horrific criminals and cartel members run loose. I grew up in high crime areas and currently live in one. The last shooting happened *yesterday* in my street (although no one was harmed). The police didn't arrest anyone because there were no criminals and no one snitched. About 5 months ago, a woman was shot in the head randomly at her child's birthday party by a cartel member, and the police couldn't do anything AGAIN because no one snitched (and who would put themselves on a hitlist). There is an OBVIOUS suspect here; there is a heavily tatted hispanic family with expensive cars that receives a few visitors from random vehicles almost every night, and I know that the police suspect him on all sorts of things, but they can't do anything because no one snitches.

I don't snitch either, because I'll get brutalized and probably my family too. This is in the USA. Rich leftists in their privileged college towns, and europeans don't know just how bad it actually is.

I would rather the police more aggressive and deal with this shit already than to keep tiptoeing around faggy leftist laws.

>>23229048
It is in Norway come to think of it, I wonder why?

>>23230636
Ah that’s why

>>23231872
>>23231856
If the police busted down that dude's door "illegally" then this neighborhood would be mostly fixed overnight.

>>23231872
Inner city police forces are recruited from the same pool as gangs though. Let the police "off the chain," and they just become another gang. Look at Latin America.

>>23231906
Not usually. I'm in an 80% roughly hispanic area and the police are almost only white. There was a recent drive to get a "community representative" police force (what a fucking disaster that would be) but luckily it hasn't resulted in demographic change for out police. And I'm not white, so don't think this is based on racism.
But yeah, in more leftist states like California there are a lot of gangs in the police. Read a story about a major bust of an entire police department where it was completely over run by cartel members somewhere in the southwest.

>>23231873
It is in France too. Literal criminals have a better quality of life than I do right now there.

>>23228650
The supermax is mostly people with a high enough IQ to build a bomb, organize a third world insurgency, or start a successful drug cartel. Probably has a higher average IQ than the general population by several deviations.

I heard they started segregating prisoners because the Islamic terrorists kept converting the white supremacists/anti-fed types. Richard Reid was even trying to convert Ted Kaczynski for a while, I would have loved to have a fly on the wall for some of those conversations.

>>23231906
Latin America has lower crime rates than the US though, with a couple.exceptions like Brazil. Mexico city feels safer and cleaner than any large American city right now.

Even if the police are ostensibly a gang, at least they're a gang with a paper trail and some level of public oversight. The biggest problem with cops is that they aren't enough like a gang, and aren't willing to dish out violence, intimidation, torture, etc. on a level that any gang member would actually be afraid of. The state today treats criminals with silk gloves, while going up against people that make ISIS look sympathetic.

>>23232014
no it doesn't lmao, how can you be this ignorant about something so basic

>>23228486
I think most people on /lit/ would be happier in solitary with books than they'd be having to socialize with convicts in gen pop.

>>23228539
Based and soon-to-be incelpilled

>>23228539
Pic related died after being "rented out for 3 days" by niggers. He was finishing a one year sentence for theft

>>23232058
Stuff like that is so sad. A lot of the wardens are also on good terms with the gangs and let it happen. The nation is completely corrupt.

>>23232028
It's not even a question. Socializing is hell on earth for 4chan autists. Asking a high IQ library autist to become friends with low IQ violent criminals is tantamount to a death sentence. If justice was truly fair they would take this factor into consideration, because sending an autist to a general population prison is equivalent to sending a gang member to the gas chamber.