He Doesn't Exist

[Anonymous No.18882358]

This is your opportunity to convert an atheist - do your worse anon

[Anonymous No.18882364]

>>18882358
If he does not exist, why are you talking about him then?

[Anonymous No.18882372]

>>18882364
I see a lot of people on here talk about god and I was wondering if they had any reasoning for why they think he exists

[Anonymous No.18882379]

>>18882372
because he doesn't not exist.

[Anonymous No.18882380]

>>18882372
So you are influenced by other people on this point but who influenced the other people to talk about god?

[Anonymous No.18882389]

>>18882380
Are you asking where does the idea of god come from? Humans would be the answer - we can come up with the idea of god in the same way we come up with anything which does not exist.

[Anonymous No.18882395]

>>18882358
proof 1 of 2

[Anonymous No.18882398]

proof 2 of 2

[Anonymous No.18882400]

>>18882389
yeah, but we did not make him up like other fairy tales (like for example the hydra) which are localized in a certain space and time, the idea of gods is so persistent and old that there is something eerie about it? dont you think?
Like we had a genetic proneness for it or something else had a weird grip on us right from the start...

[Anonymous No.18882417]

>>18882400
I would probably put that down to the idea of god being so similar to our ideas of ourselves, or ideas which are seen valuable in ourselves - things like the ability to create, be intelligent and powerful have always been the most desirable traits to humans, so we are going to imagine the thing to worship and receive guidance from as having these traits

[Anonymous No.18882424]

>>18882395
what a cutie

[Anonymous No.18882484]

>>18882417
yes, this argument makes much sense if you are talking about contemporary christianity or other modern religions which were cleaned up by centuries of theologians and philosophers
But there is some raw stuff that is completly foreign to the conventional human experience in the Old Testament alone, angels which have lovecraftian forms, diseases which can infect houses and give it new weird physical properties
religion is a bit more complicated and weird than the feuerbachian explanation of it permits

[Anonymous No.18882496]

>>18882395
>this poor creature will either spend a lifetime locked up and being forcefully inseminated to produce offspring and milk for human consumption, or will be taken to a factory, get stunned, have its throat slit, and get butchered for a tasty meal by people who wont remember or appreciate it moments after the meal ends
>and such is the fate of billions upon billions of other creatures like this one
This may be a sign of God to you, but to me, its more a sign of why suicide might not be such a bad idea

[Anonymous No.18882498]

>>18882358
I too came to this conclusion over the years. I still haven't experienced anything paranormal yet. Materialism might be true.

I am not fully sure though.

[Anonymous No.18882524]

>>18882358
Consider this, faggot: He DOES exist.

[Anonymous No.18882525]

>>18882496
>This may be a sign of God to you, but to me, its more a sign of why suicide might not be such a bad idea
Hey man I agree accept for the suicide bit - knowing that humans can do this awful thing is painful but remember that you dying wont help the animals or stop the humans - try living with the intention of pursuading people or at least reminding them where their food is from

[Anonymous No.18882527]

>>18882358
To demonstrate the nonexistence of the christian God doesn't make you an atheist

[Anonymous No.18882535]

>>18882484
>there is some raw stuff that is completly foreign to the conventional human experience in the Old Testament alone, angels which have lovecraftian forms, diseases which can infect houses and give it new weird physical properties
So we trust these accounts or is the point that these are totally new ideas. I do not know to what degree they are totally new ideas - we know the power of the human imagination.

[Anonymous No.18882539]

--Mind
Opposition to spirituality
Consciousness
Logic system

--Cosmology
Something out of nothing
Cosmic purpose
Free will

--Values
Meaning of life
Brotherhood
Good and evil


https://medium.com/illumination/manifesto-of-coeus-answering-all-the-fundamental-questions-of-life-b6bf676113d

[Anonymous No.18882545]

>>18882496
>>18882525
Instead of suicide i chose veganism but after months in this diet i think death was the only option i had in the first place. How does one lift while eating vegies?

[Anonymous No.18882555]

>>18882400
So persistant that there are thousands of different gods around the world, no two the same, and the only way a religion could get wide spread is by it followers going out at forcing other places to believe in their god.

[Anonymous No.18882565]

>>18882545
Unless you've gone full retard and only eat a raw diet then it should be incredibly easy for you too eat enough calories and protein to build muscle. Do you eat beans and lentils and whatnot?

[Anonymous No.18882567]

>>18882535
I am not saying that these accounts are in the same way "real" as for example modern scientific data, the point I am getting to is that god and religion is not true in itself but its consideration and study may reveal a deeper understanding of us

[Anonymous No.18882572]

>>18882555
yeah remember when christians invaded the roman empire and forced them all to become christians

[Anonymous No.18882597]

>>18882572
Retard level response

[Anonymous No.18882604]

>>18882358
Prove he does not exist.

[Anonymous No.18882611]

>>18882395
That's not god's creation, it's been bred over centuries to look like that by humans.

[Anonymous No.18882626]

>>18882395
Why do Christians think it acceptable to mas murder these

[Anonymous No.18882641]

>>18882539
>reductive materialism
Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.18882645]

>>18882567
I agree that studying religion can be valuable as religion has been attached to human societies but I do not think god exists

[Anonymous No.18882650]

>>18882565
Yeah i was partially joking anon. I eat well, don't worry. Veganism is probably not the exact word to describe my diet, even tho i stopped eating meat for the obvious reasons, i still eat eggs and my occasional greek yoghurt. The state i described was my first days after denying meat, but i figured it all out.

[Anonymous No.18882709]

>>18882498
Idealism doesn't imply there is a god, no need to be materialist to be an atheist.

[Anonymous No.18882993]

>>18882650
Oh ok, cool. I just like to make sure my ethical bros are having a balanced diet.

[Anonymous No.18882994]

>>18882358
Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.

What caused the universe to begin to exist do you think? In order for a being to create time and space, it would have to be a transcendent being of immense power. Sounds like God is the best explanation of why anything extists at all.

[Anonymous No.18883024]

>>18882994
>The universe began to exist.
did it? although i'm not convinced by either, thomism is better than the kalam crap since it doesnt rely on the universe "beginning" to exist

[Anonymous No.18883167]

>>18882398
jesus, my ex had the same toy.

[Anonymous No.18883227]

>>18882364
I was born into a christian family, raised a christian. Grammy was a pastor. Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean the christian mythology isn't a deeply ingrained part of my life.

[Anonymous No.18883234]

>>18882994
You just did a heckin' infinite regress.

[Anonymous No.18883238]

>>18882994
Are you trolling?

[Anonymous No.18883249]

Friendly reminder that there is nothing ethical about veganism. You are children denying the reality to which you were born. Shit or get off the pot.

[Anonymous No.18883253]

He doesn't feel God
>on the sound of wind passing thru the trees
>on the laughter of a child
>on the wrinkles of an old face
>on the smile of the grateful
>on all living things

For 10 years I was fooled by my own ego and the know it all religion of atheism, no more, now I know my true place and I will return to God.

[Anonymous No.18883256]

>>18882358
If God exists he is totally and completely incomprehensible so I dont see how it makes much difference if I believe in him for not, what does it even really mean to believe in something incomprehensible. I'm really not interested in such formulations as 'god is love, god is one, god created everything, god is being' etc because you can never build anything intelligible out of this stuff and it reduces the supreme being to a category in your meme system you just slapped together basically out of arrogance.

The Christian myth and believing in Jesus Christ as a specific person who said specific things is much more interesting and viable to me, but of course with revealed religion of this sort you get into a new problem since there are a bunch of them. You could just worship whatever god, you could worship a star or a tree.

[Anonymous No.18883259]

>>18883253
Why is that feeling god. To some people it's just "natural beauty" or "the natural order".
Listen, I'm all for some grand structure to the universe that we don't full comprehend. But why is that God?

[Anonymous No.18883281]

>>18882994
>the universe needs a cause to exist
this has been proven false btw

[Anonymous No.18883296]

>>18883256
>You could just worship whatever god, you could worship a star or a tree.
You're so close to a breakthrough. "God" and all forms of worship are a tool that humanity uses to bolster our inter and intrapersonal characters. We can either use this tool consciously or unconsciously. Unconscious use gets you the arrogant meme system. Conscious use gets you Nietzsche, or something analogous because that's what he was advocating.

[Anonymous No.18883307]

>>18883259
Read Plotinus
>>18883281
>the deboonker has arrived

[Anonymous No.18883313]

>>18882358
Christcucks are retarded but atheists are just unbearable. Most Christians I've met are pretty reserved and cool for the most part but atheists JUST. WON'T. SHUT. UP. Most of them genuinely believe that scorning religions and telling others that they are retarded for believing in such things can be a replacement for a personality. I hate ALL self-proclaimed atheists. No exceptions. They cannot conjure up a minimum of decency to let religios people alone. If I had to choose between living in a church or living with these gargantuan fucking retards I would choose the church. At least in a church you can still find remains of a genuine community.

[Anonymous No.18883317]

>>18883307
Give me the arguments Plotinus presents that you think will change my mind.

Also yeah, gonna need >>18883281 to elaborate because that would be proving a negative.

[Anonymous No.18883318]

>>18882358
>do your worse
Atheists are apparently illiterate.

[Anonymous No.18883323]

>>18883313
Here is the thing, you don't know if someone is an atheist unless they tell you. Yes those atheists are absolutely fucking disgusting. But what about your average european fart sniffer that just plain didn't grow up with god, and has never believed in him.

[Anonymous No.18883337]

>>18882545
You literally cant LOL
Just eat everything u want

[Anonymous No.18883338]

>>18883281
You momma has be proven false btw
Source: dude trust me

[Anonymous No.18883343]

>>18883313
>Christcucks are retarded but atheists are just unbearable. Most Christians I've met are pretty reserved and cool for the most part but atheists JUST. WON'T. SHUT. UP. Most of them genuinely believe that scorning religions and telling others that they are retarded for believing in such things can be a replacement for a personality. I hate ALL self-proclaimed atheists. No exceptions. They cannot conjure up a minimum of decency to let religios people alone. If I had to choose between living in a church or living with these gargantuan fucking retards I would choose the church. At least in a church you can still find remains of a genuine community.
The irony is that ~300 years ago it was the reverse, the same type of people would force dogmatic Christianity onto random strangers. If you question an atheist's ethics and metaphysics it is just watered-down Christianity anyway.

[Anonymous No.18883365]

>>18883227
The Apostle forbade women preachers. Your grandmother was not a Christian but a heretic. She did not have faith, she had delusion which is why you had none to begin. She is burning in hell right now and the Savior indeed foretold of liars like her, "I never knew you, depart from me".

[Anonymous No.18883373]

>>18882994
>The universe began to exist.
But God, didn't, and dosn't need to UwU
I know this because he revealed himself to me in a dream

way to kick the can

[Anonymous No.18883383]

>>18883296
Nietzsche blatantly worships power though, or rather he says he we all do beneath the surface

[Anonymous No.18883392]

>>18883343
>If you question an atheist's ethics and metaphysics it is just watered-down Christianity anyway.
I agree with this, but why is that weird? Is it supposed to be a gotcha
We literally live in a society

[Anonymous No.18883393]

>>18883313
Atheism is a growing trend while religions are dying. They have a wish to proselytize just like religious people had back in the day. Yet, fringe religious groups are much common and the most annoying one, especially evangelical christians. Catholics, anglicans and luterans are cool.

[Anonymous No.18883395]

>>18883317
There isn't an argument or point that can make you change, all change needs to come from within. The neoplatonist 'God' is not like the conventional ones. He just IS and EMANATES. Every conscious soul is a part of 'him' and he should thrive to return to him to our thru self (>know thyself). That emanation can thouch any soul and be part of this co-creation (reality). At the end of the day you can have 2 view points: there is no miracles or everything is a miracle. I think we are a little full of the first type desu.

[Anonymous No.18883407]

>Heaven and hell
I didn't think the Bible went into details about these...

[Anonymous No.18883414]

>>18883395
>everything is a miracle
Literally not what the word means

[Anonymous No.18883426]

>>18883414
Yet here we are, spinning on a giant ball made of rocks thru the void. Godspeed anons!!!

[Anonymous No.18883431]

>>18883365
I think it's too fucking funny, stuff like women preachers, gays wanting to marry in Church, etc.
You obviously go against scripture, and in these cases it's so super clear, no room for interpretation; your actions are not Bible-approved
still they want to be part of the church/clergy, LMAO
like, just become a pagan or something if you want to worship that badly

[Anonymous No.18883447]

>>18883431
The type of patriarchy advocated for in the bible is quite literally illegal in all western countries

[Anonymous No.18883554]

>>18882641
The writing expresses non reductive physicalism. The logic system, which is broadly known as the mind, is a set of particle interactions. The mind is the product of the interactions, not the particles themselves.

[Anonymous No.18883569]

>>18883365
>"I never knew you, depart from me"
Exactly how I would feel about God if he turns out to be real.

[Anonymous No.18883578]

>>18883383
He is correct. Your mistake is not understanding what power is, in the Nietzsche context at least.

[Anonymous No.18883582]

>>18882358
>enter thread
>ignore debate reflective of humans' inability to originally and logically explain why there is or isn't a God
>post this
>exit thread

[Anonymous No.18883584]

Lifes way more kino if god exists. So ill believe him

[Anonymous No.18883585]

>>18883392
Because even atheists are living in a society that was Christian for centuries, they might not know why their moral beliefs are basically just liberal Christian ones, but they are nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.18883607]

>>18883395
>The neoplatonist 'God' is not like the conventional ones
uwu so quircky exdee, he's not like all those other guys. ignore his unfalsifyability, thats something he has in common with literally every other god but just ignore that uwu.

[Anonymous No.18883612]

>>18883585
Still haven't said why it's weird.
>people are influenced by the people around them(society)
wow thats so crazy

[Anonymous No.18883633]

>>18883578
No I understand what it is, it's practically a synonym for inevitability. The spiritual tends to be 'orthogonal' to this force

[Anonymous No.18883637]

>>18883633
So stop denying it. You know it to be true. This is the way of things.

[Anonymous No.18883670]

>>18883637
I dont know it. I can see why it's a plausible view of reality.

[Anonymous No.18883690]

>>18883670
fair enough, i apologize for being hyperbolic.

[Anonymous No.18883696]

>>18882358
read Plato and Boethius

[Anonymous No.18883719]

>>18883696

Once you grow up from an infant to an adult you cannot physically revert back into being an infant. Same applies for beliefs. Once you become smart enough to call yourself an atheist or a non believer you cannot be 'converted' back to a spiritualist.

https://medium.com/illumination/manifesto-of-coeus-answering-all-the-fundamental-questions-of-life-b6bf676113d

[Anonymous No.18883779]

>>18883612
If anything we seem to be slowly moving past Christian ethics anyway. The whole mercy and forgiveness stuff seems to be getting replaced by a more 'crush your enemies, never forgive them, keep them crushed' attitude.

[Anonymous No.18883795]

>>18883779
I would say "yes and no". We see today an increasing radicalism in defense of Victims that seeks to "outdo" Christianity while abandoning the ethic of forgiveness and mercy - there can be no quarter given in the defense of the victim.

[Anonymous No.18883812]

>>18883779
>The whole mercy and forgiveness stuff seems to be getting replaced by a more 'crush your enemies, never forgive them, keep them crushed' attitude.
That seems like a regression in ethics, not a ‘moving past’.

[Anonymous No.18883878]

>>18883719
>Once you become smart enough to call yourself an atheist or a non believer you cannot be 'converted' back to a spiritualist.

this is the most retarded sentence i think i've ever read

[Anonymous No.18883880]

God as “man in the sky who casts judgement on us down below”? I don’t believe such a god exists. God in the pantheistic conception of God? I believe in that.

[Anonymous No.18883889]

>>18883582
Ahh the Platonic Noble Lie. So very Noble, else how the plebs will know their place in *checks notes* Mormon Jutah.
What, you don't trust John Smith that an angel came down to him and gave him the golden tablets (that he totally had, but can't show to anyone but the most initiated)?

[Anonymous No.18883938]

>>18883878
It appears you dont read enough, otherwise you would be smart enough to agree

[Anonymous No.18884000]

>>18882364
Atheists BTFO

[Anonymous No.18884020]

>>18883582
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.18884024]

>>18884000
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

thats funny

[Anonymous No.18884051]

>>18883880
Totally superfluous though. You already have 'everything' or'the universe', you're just giving it another name