Philosophy, Science, Literature, Mathematics

[Anonymous No.21728009]

You should dedicate your life to learn all of those 4 fields. Specializing in only one of them is useless, it's better to learn all 4 generally than to specialize in only one. It's the only way to learn the truth of this world.

[Anonymous No.21728018]

>>21728009
>Philosophy, Philosophy, Philosophy, Philosophy

[Anonymous No.21728025]

>>21728009
>Science
>Yeah just learn all of science bro, all of it. I heckin love science

[Anonymous No.21728031]

>>21728025
By science I mean physics and chemistry. The rest is optional.

[Anonymous No.21728060]

> specializing
> lists four of the most-encompassing fields of all time
you can specialise in tiny subfields of subfields within all the domains you listed. What you're proposing is just general education

[Anonymous No.21728067]

>>21728009
Ok, Ill just take that to heart from some anon who posts pictures of anime girls on 4chan. Also shit thread.

[Anonymous No.21728069]

That's pretty much what I do but I'm also a midwit. If I were smart, I would probably only do math.

[Anonymous No.21728074]

>>21728009
I've learnt my share of math, science, programming aand shit. I read novels mostly. I'm not ready for philosophy. How'd i do anon

[Anonymous No.21728096]

>>21728009
>It's the only way to learn the truth of this world.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/are-the-last-half-centurys-worth-of-results-from-widely-used-spectroscopy-tool-wrong/4011157.article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
https://www.science.org/content/article/potential-fabrication-research-images-threatens-key-theory-alzheimers-disease
http://steve-patterson.com/logic-and-infinity/
https://theorangeduck.com/page/infinity-doesnt-exist

[Anonymous No.21728100]

>>21728031
>By science I mean physics and chemistry
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/cosmology-has-some-big-problems/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/94fi9r/flat_earth_phd_thesis_proofs_reasons_for_deception/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLEhw7upzFE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_affair

[Anonymous No.21728141]

Genuinely reaffirming that other anons ITT see the pants-on-head faggotry of OP.

I'm very biased but, of the four, philosophy is the best subject for everyone on Earth to study. I doubt that Mr. Ubungu in Macoroon will gain much from reading Shakespeare or Schiller. I have the greatest certainty that he would benefit from studying Plato. You can read the Early Moderns without understanding the geopolitical realities at the time and still get right to the heart of what it means to be human. To greater or lesser degrees, all philosophy is an inquiry into humanity.

It is good to study the natural sciences and mathematics, no doubt, but it is not for everyone. Literature is even more confining, as few authors rise above their cultural trappings and speak a truly universal message.

[Anonymous No.21728216]

>mathematics
>dammit I just can't make this calculation work, my hypothesis is ruined!
>i know, i'll just make up a number that solves my equation and then gaslight the rest of humanity into thinking it's real, ho ho delightfully devillish

[Anonymous No.21728300]

>>21728074
Why do you think you're not ready for philosophy?

[Anonymous No.21728309]

Studying math is not worth it. Trust me.

[Anonymous No.21728312]

>>21728141
i second this

[Anonymous No.21728326]

>>21728009
Philosophy is a subset of literature though?

[Anonymous No.21728343]

>>21728009
Oh yea like being a red mage in early game Final Fantasy. I would say studying biology is also as important as the rest

[Anonymous No.21728459]

>>21728031
Physics is a meme, chemistry is good
Geology is patrician

[Anonymous No.21728470]

>>21728300
I'm afraid I haven't experienced enough to understand it. I've had a simple, introverted life in upper middle class neighborhoods, then I spent 4 years at the university and got a remote job.

[Anonymous No.21728542]

>>21728031
On your own you can only learn some undergrad physics on a superficial level, maybe go relatively deep into one topic. Beyond that it's more of a social endeavor, otherwise you won't have the motivation to go through all the boring stuff.
As for chemistry you won't go any far at all unless you set your own lab, but good luck getting the precursors without feds coming after you.
As for mathematics, it's possible to go quite far on your own, but beyond a certain point it's really hard to motivate yourself going further if you're not in a mathematical community.

[Anonymous No.21728549]

>>21728470
Just start with Plato. You're more ready than most people here.

[Anonymous No.21728745]

>>21728470
Start by reading the History of Philosophy by Copleston. That's what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.21728750]

>>21728216
excuse me that's physics you're confusing us with

[Anonymous No.21728755]

>>21728326
no. both mathematics and philosophy are subsets of a wider logical form

[Anonymous No.21728785]

>>21728755
that's analytical philosophy, continental philosophy has nothing to do with logic

[Anonymous No.21728827]

>>21728549
>>21728745
Thanks for the recs bros

[Anonymous No.21728829]

>>21728470
Literally just read this (or its equivalent if English isn't your first language) and don't sweat the Phaedo if it doesn't click with you. Ignore every pleb telling you to start with secondary or tertiary sources. Plato is more than capable of explaining himself (or, at least, of provoking interesting questions in unclear passages). I meant what I said above: everyone can benefit from reading Plato.

The first three dialogues are short and straightfoward enough, the Meno is short and kick-started millennia of epistemological debate that is still ongoing to this very day, and the Phaedo (taken with other like dialogues) has a strong case for being credited with the invention of humanity. Depending on which one(s) you like, it is very easy to seek out the relevant dialogues and then the relevant philosophers/fields.

[Anonymous No.21728837]

>>21728829
>Ignore every pleb telling you to start with secondary or tertiary sources
Retard.

[Anonymous No.21729052]

>>21728459
>physics is a meme
>chemistry, which is applied physics, is good
this site is so fucking stupid man

[Anonymous No.21729069]

>>21728829
You can read Plato without secondary sources, but you probably won't gain as much from it as you could otherwise.
When Plato was alive, people would discuss his writing among themselves and were even able to ask the man himself for clarification, I don't see why a modern reader should only be allowed to read his books without any other material.

[Anonymous No.21729406]

>>21728829
>the Phaedo (taken with other like dialogues) has a strong case for being credited with the invention of humanity
Explain.

[Anonymous No.21729575]

>>21728309
why?

[Anonymous No.21729711]

>>21728459
That's the wrong way to spell biology, my duderino

[Anonymous No.21730184]

>>21728837
>>21729069
I went through the most prestigious grad program (in 'Murica) for Platonic studies. I've probably read triple the scholarship on Plato than both of you combined, and while some of it is brilliant, some of the esteemed heavyweights are retarded — Vlastos springs to mind.

You are missing the point: for someone who new to philosophy, it's not important to dissect Plato and discern every nuance, it's about merely encountering him. You cannot do so through a third party. If that anon really thinks Plato is worthwhile, which he might or might not, I'm sure that he will seek the literature on his own. Notice I said, "Ignore every pleb telling you to *start*" with such scholarship, not to ignore it completely. Case in point:

>>21729406
I'll try to come back and explain if I have time, but if I don't, check out Pierre Hadot's "What is Ancient Philosophy?": especially chapter 4, "The Definition of 'Philosopher' in Plato's Symposium." The key idea is that humans had little to no appreciation of their internal life as individuals — paraphrasing Hadot, capital-I Individuals in the sense that Kierkegaard meant — before Plato. IIRC, Bloom makes a similar case for Shakespeare (Hamlet and Falstaff), but it really began with Plato's conception of being a "lover of wisdom," importantly one who lacks wisdom, with an immortal soul.

[Anonymous No.21731625]

>>21728829
I'm the anon you're replying to. I just got this off libgen. Thank you. It's less than 200 pages, I'll have a go at it over the weekend

[Anonymous No.21731940]

>>21731625
Hope you have fun! Let us know how it goes next week if you see (or make) a relevant thread.

[Anonymous No.21731946]

>>21728141
>It is good to study the natural sciences and mathematics, no doubt, but it is not for everyone.
You’re correct, it’s reserved for the intelligent. Philosophy is mental masturbation that virtually anyone can engage in. This is indeed a shit thread.

[Anonymous No.21732059]

>>21728009
You should start with grammar, logic, and rhetoric before moving on to arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy.

[Anonymous No.21732189]

I want to focus on philosophy and mathematics, but I'm not competent enough to educate myself.

[Anonymous No.21732562]

>>21728009
and how does anime fit into this

[Anonymous No.21732908]

>>21732189
That’s what books are for my friend. Don’t give up: you can do it.

[Anonymous No.21732934]

>>21732189
Mathematics is the study of things that everyone agrees on. Philosophy is art of finding creative ways to disagree with others.

[Anonymous No.21734312]

>>21732934
>Mathematics is the study of things that everyone agrees on
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.21734353]

>>21734312
When I said everyone, I meant reasonable people.

[Anonymous No.21734383]

>>21730184
I never said he should only read secondary sources, if course he should also read Plato himself.

[Anonymous No.21734447]

>>21734353
Ah yes. Kronecker, Poincaré, Hilbert*, Wittgenstein, Aristotle are not reasonable people, but the demented Jew who thought he was a messiah chosen by God ('Absolute Infinity') to spread the truth about the 'hierarchy of infinities' and then spent the last two decades of his life in a sanatorium was. I mean anything else would be pretty inconvenient right? The foundational crisis? Some old solved shit nobody remembers, nevermind the fact that ZF set-theory takes a tangible infinity as axiomatic. Shut up and trust the reasonable people.

[Anonymous No.21734473]

>>21728459
physics bad
simplified physics good
retard
if you ever tried to learn chemistry on a deeper level you would see how eventually it just becomes physics

[Anonymous No.21734639]

>>21728009
Bros I attempted sister Miriam trivium does that cover philosophy?

[Anonymous No.21734705]

post more anime girls smoking, white boy

[Anonymous No.21734732]

>tranime OP
>telling other people about taste or giving them advice on how to live their lives

[Anonymous No.21734829]

>>21734732
>frogposter

[Anonymous No.21734987]

>>21734829
>cat person

[Anonymous No.21735407]

>>21728009
Ignore OP and heed my words. From what I have gathered knowledge about the universe and truth requires a lifetime of hard work.

Liberal education (trivium+quadrivium)
>Foundation
Grammar, logic and rethoric. Physical culture is also higly necessary for development. At this stage a student learns how to think, learn and speak well. He should also grow physically through training and study nutrition, fitness and anatomy.
>Mastery of space
This stage is concerned with arithmetic, music, geometry, and astronomy. This is application of numbers in time and space.

There are much higher stages but I can't say much since I am still working on my foundation.

[Anonymous No.21736231]

>>21728009
Amen.

[Anonymous No.21736649]

>>21728009
Why?

[Anonymous No.21737874]

>>21728096
Told you so.