/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22650946]

Be honest, /lit/.
Were you ever a Nietzsche fanboy?

[Anonymous No.22651049]

Yeah but I was a teenager when I read him tbf.

[Anonymous No.22651104]

>>22650946
I am right now

[Anonymous No.22651139]

>>22651104
me too, omnly people who think he was a nazi think his stuff is trash
his crituqe of abusiveness, pity and slave morality along with his amori fachi and jot of becoming are some of the greatest concepts jn non diallectical philospohy

people who hate him either dont know nwhatb they talk about, never knew him (fair enougb exusce) or simply were filltered

[Anonymous No.22651172]

>>22651139
Or maybe they are just correct.

[Anonymous No.22651189]

>>22650946
Not yet.

[Anonymous No.22651194]

>>22650946
Yes, when I was 19. Its a phase most of us go through after our first humanities class which covers him.

[Anonymous No.22651204]

>>22651172
reminder that wagner broke up his friendship with him just because he critismed him like 2 times for being uber antisemetic

[Anonymous No.22651268]

>>22650946
I still am. The reason we're in this modern mess is because people reject his ideas as bad.

[Anonymous No.22651281]

Are any Nietzsche fanboys here older than 20? I find it hard to believe that someone would like his works as an adult.

[Anonymous No.22651286]

>>22650946
nah, was always too lazy to even start reading his books.

[Anonymous No.22651300]

>>22651204
Nietzsche was the one who broke up with Wagner, ostensibly for humiliating him by talking to his doctor about his excessive masturbation.

[Anonymous No.22651314]

>>22651300

[Anonymous No.22651329]

>>22650946
No matter how much you hate being a surplus male in an egalitarian society it will not make Christianity real.

[Anonymous No.22651376]

>>22651314
And I'm sure Wagneranon can throw in some quotes if he stumbles into the thread too.

[Anonymous No.22651388]

>>22651376
the citation was that nietzsche broke up with him over this and not the antisemitism (and also his music fucking sucking)
the claim you made was so weird and stupid that i actually believed it was real, no way you would make it up, but it doesnt prove anything, your picture (which neither has the books name, or source for the info) is just proof that wagner did say this

[Anonymous No.22651501]

>>22650946
>anglos getting triggered at Nietzsche

I guess the dude must have been doing something right

[Anonymous No.22651593]

>>22651139
Are you congested or something bro? Do you need a sudafed?

[Anonymous No.22651641]

>>22651388
>and also his music fucking sucking
>"Wagner's later musical style introduced new ideas in harmony, melodic process (leitmotif) and operatic structure. Notably from Tristan und Isolde onwards, he explored the limits of the traditional tonal system, which gave keys and chords their identity, pointing the way to atonality in the 20th century. Some music historians date the beginning of modern classical music to the first notes of Tristan, which include the so-called Tristan chord."
>Ich wüßte nicht, auf welchem Wege ich je des reinsten sonnenhellen Glücks theilhaftig geworden wäre als durch Wagner's Musik: und dies obwohl sie durchaus nicht immer von Glück redet, sondern von den furchtbaren und unheimlichen unterirdischen Kräften des Menschentreibens, von dem Leiden in allem Glücke und von der Endlichkeit unseres Glücks; es muß also in der Art, wie sie redet, das Glück liegen, das sie ausströmt." So lesen wir in einer nachgelassenen Aufzeichnung Nietzsches vom Sommer 1875. ,Glück": fünfmal kommt diese Vokabel in ein und demselben Satz vor.
Ok pal sure

[Anonymous No.22651887]

>>22650946
He was one of the first philosophers I read, he helped put me off philosophy entirely. If it's not political or economic philosophy, what is the point?

[Anonymous No.22651890]

>>22651887
Kek.
Imagine being that much of a pleb

[Anonymous No.22652019]

>>22651204
Where do people get these totally fictional stories from? Wagner was always accommodating to Nietzsche's changing views, despite how they pained him, but Nietzsche insisted on isolating himself from Wagner. Nietzsche CHOSE to be Wagner's enemy.

>I gather from your brief allusions that our old friend Nietzsche has been holding himself aloof from you as well. There is no doubt that very striking changes have taken place in him; but anyone who observed him and his psychic spasms years ago could almost be justified in saying that a long-dreaded and not entirely unpredictable catastrophe had now overtaken him. I have retained sufficient friendship for him not to read his book – which I glanced through as I was cutting the pages – and can only wish and hope that he will thank me for it some day.
- Letter to Franz Overbeck 5/24/78

>How could I ever forget this friend of mine [Nietzsche] who was driven from me so forcefully? Although I constantly had the feeling that, at the time of his association with me, Nietzsche’s life was ruled by a mental spasm, and although it was bound to strike me as odd that this spasm could have produced so spiritually radiant and heart-warming a fire as was manifest in him to the astonishment of all, and although, finally, the ultimate decision which he reached in the inner development of his life filled me with the utmost horror when I saw how intolerable a pressure that spasm was finally causing him – I must no doubt also admit that in the case of so powerful a psychic process it is simply not possible to argue along moral lines and that one’s only response can be a shocked silence.
- Letter to Franz Overbeck 10/19/79

[Anonymous No.22653620]

>>22652019
>I must no doubt also admit that in the case of so powerful a psychic process it is simply not possible to argue along moral lines and that one’s only response can be a shocked silence.
Kek, it's always funny how Nietzsche fans conveniently ignore all the facts that would suggest he was not a blazing intellectual "anti-christ" and instead a deeply unwell individual, whose sufferings, beyond his illness, were entirely self-inflicted.

[Anonymous No.22653641]

>>22653620
When you're sickly and unwell you dream of domination and mastery. Nietzsche's philsophy is born from this.

When you feel healthy you gain an elevated compassion for all living things.

[Pan !!Yd8dVgCbMiT No.22653854]

>>22650946
The fact that no one has seriously given a response critique him by his rules proves he's ultimately right

[Anonymous No.22653963]

>>22650946
not entirely was more of a Randtard if anything until I ended up losing my job because of a handsy nog who couldn't stop flirting with other men's women on the worksite. my economics then shifted a tad leftward and I became a race realist after that. nowadays I'm more into thinkers like Rudolf Otto and Meister Eckhart and am wholly uninterested in material concerns. this existence is temporary.

[Anonymous No.22653965]

>>22651172
I'm actually beginning to read Wagner as we speak.

[Anonymous No.22653970]

>>22651329
society and institutions are creators of egalitarianism, in the state of nature, without those in temporal existence, hierarchies will inevitably reform. whether or not you believe Christianity or non-abrahamic Theism is real is matter of personal sentiment.

[Anonymous No.22653978]

>>22653854
his idea of resentment is way off.

[Anonymous No.22653980]

>>22653620
It’s called psychological vision and it’s a trait common to the German philosophical tradition. Anglos and their petty materialism need not respond.

[Anonymous No.22653990]

>>22651281
I had a seventy year old professor that was a Nietzsche fan boy.
He even ranted about how people who criticize him for being a proto-fascist just like "le don't understand him"
I usually don't care for criticism that accuses an author of being juvenile but Nietzsche really just is a adolescent thinker.
We live in a society, the philosopher.
I think William James said it best about Nietzsche that his writing has the feel of listening to the shrieking of a dying rat lol

[Anonymous No.22653995]

>>22653970
there's no state of nature so long as mankind draws breath

[Anonymous No.22654034]

Is hating Nietzsche some kind of contrarian thing? Seems like status signalling for limp wristed faggots.

[Anonymous No.22654051]

>>22654034
yes there's a large subset of people here pretending to be Christian to spite an elite liberal atheist non-culture and they have learned that Nietzsche critiqued Christianity (but obviously don't understand why) so he is now something they counter-signal against

[Anonymous No.22654055]

>>22654034
>Is hating Nietzsche some kind of contrarian thing?
>every difference of opinion is actually just a shallow trend
Says more about you desu

[Anonymous No.22654061]

>>22650946
He’s one of my favorite writers but I don’t base my life, opinions and beliefs on him and hang in his every word. It’s the spirit that he is conveying that is important to me. DESU I almost always avoid Nietzsche threads as both the pro and the anti anons are unbearable, often ill informed, and threads are generally flamewars for some reason

[Anonymous No.22654081]

>>22653995
Not really what I meant. Probably should have clarified man existing prior to formation of institutions. I don’t think that primates had any organization aside from pure instinct like all other lower beasts, provided evolution is true. But it’s probably not.

[Anonymous No.22654082]

>>22653641
Its the reverse, you dotnigger. Nietzsche was trying to be a modern Socrates. He was deeply resentful and wrote to aspire to master himself and his weakness.

[Anonymous No.22654098]

>>22654051
Good grief.

[Anonymous No.22654104]

>>22654055
NPC level inference.

[Anonymous No.22654106]

>>22653641
You should read more Buddhist lit—compassion isn't some sory of weepy softy thing where everyone holds hands, it's about being a physician

[Anonymous No.22654127]

>>22654061
This.

[Anonymous No.22654154]

>>22654051
Yeah Christians totally haven't rejected Nietzsche since forever. People totally don't reject things that contradict their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.22654157]

>>22654034
philosophizing enlightenment "logic and rational" types hate him because he rightly calls them all fucking nerds for over intellectualizing shit and thinking that they can outsmart getting punched in the face. Traditional schools hate him (except for based monocle man) because he rightly says that at a certain point it is just impossible to make any sort of definitive claim on a metaphysical reality and in a ironically very Buddhist way, says that most of it, like the enlightenment guys, is just opinion and that they're not really in touch with reality. - Going on to say that becoming a proper "enlightened" one takes strength and courage.....Power you could say, a will to power.

tl;dr bookfags hate him because he's telling them that their opinions don't mean shit if they're too pussy to get punched and don't lift any weights, because what makes you think you can climb the mountains of knowledge if you can't even do a fucking pull up? Also drink some water.

[Anonymous No.22654158]

>>22654106
The purpose of Buddhism is to save people from life, not from its evils. Much less cure their evils like a physicuck

[Anonymous No.22654161]

>>22654154
The problem is that Christianity is right, Nietzsche not

[Anonymous No.22654172]

>>22654154
>>22654161
Nietzsche is entirely correct about Christian nihilism and ressentiment otherwise you'd have Christianity survive today among westerners as something more than politically driven spite.

[Anonymous No.22654177]

>>22654158
>being healthy is for cucks
ok retard enjoy your spiritual diabetes

[Anonymous No.22654185]

>>22654172
>I can speak for every member of a religion

[Anonymous No.22654190]

>>22654185
ok so the amish are sincere but they live in the 1700s, what is your point?

[Anonymous No.22654207]

>>22653990
I thought Genealogy of Morals was a good historicist text and kind of a power trip but yeah I’ve grown to feel the same.

[Anonymous No.22654260]

>>22650946
I just like him you know?

[Anonymous No.22654322]

>>22654190
>unironically using the present-year argument

[Anonymous No.22654344]

>>22654034
>>22654051
Is hating Christianity some kind of contrarian thing? Seems like status signalling for limp wristed faggots.

[Anonymous No.22654521]

>>22654157
Based.

>>22654344
Low T.

[Anonymous No.22654533]

>>22650946
Was Neetch ever fully embraced by the neckbeards? I generally lump fans of him, Stirner, and Redbeard into a category of people who like to say they can take whatever they want and yet are people who get their asses kicked in when they try.

[Anonymous No.22654542]

no, i was more drawn to Schopenhauer, im still a bit of a pessimist, but ive sort of moved on. Only later on that i learn neitzche took shoppys ideas and was more like mmmmm pain good

[Anonymous No.22654543]

>>22650946
Nope. Tried to read Zarathustra and gave up 5 pages in.

[Anonymous No.22654548]

>>22650946
My heart always was and will forever be devoted to Kierkegaard.

[Anonymous No.22654582]

Was Neetch ever fully rejected by the neckbeards? I generally lump haters of him, Stirner, and Redbeard into a category of people who like to say they can protect whatever they want and yet are people who get their asses kicked in when they try.

[Anonymous No.22654588]

>>22654582
You are always welcome to go try. You are still posting here for a reason though.

[Anonymous No.22654975]

>>22654542
Schopenhauer literally says that pain is positive and pleasure negative.

[Anonymous No.22654984]

>>22654177
>You are healthy when you feel good
Ngmi