Name me 1 American novel that rivals 19th century Russian novels.

[Anonymous No.22962611]

[Anonymous No.22962612]

>>22962611
Blood Meridian

[Anonymous No.22962613]

>>22962611
Among Us guidebook
https://shop.scholastic.com/parent-ecommerce/books/the-impostors-guide-to-among-us-9781839351167.html

[Anonymous No.22962615]

>>22962611
Sometimes a Great Notion

[Anonymous No.22962619]

>>22962611
Lolita

>>22962612
Holy reddit

[Anonymous No.22962620]

There are none. The 2 greatest novels ever are The Karamazov Brothers and Anna Karenina.

[Anonymous No.22962621]

>>22962619
You know Reddit likes Russian lit too right?

[Anonymous No.22962625]

>>22962619
>written by a Russian
>>22962611
Moby-Dick

[Anonymous No.22962627]

>>22962611
Moby Dick...

[Anonymous No.22962637]

Any. Russian shit is shit.

[Anonymous No.22962641]

>>22962637
seethe

[Anonymous No.22962650]

Try The Recognitions, should be right up the alley of fans of 19th century Russian lit.
>pomo
It really isn't, not even remotely.

[Anonymous No.22962654]

>>22962611
literally every single one of them. Russians are reddit-tier sentimentalists who appear profound only to incels and 16 year olds who've had their baby's first exposure to more sophisticated (not to confuse with sophisticated) literature. there is more artistry and depth in a single page of a Henry James's novel than in the entire corpus of 19th century Russian literature

[Anonymous No.22962661]

>>22962611
White Jacket

[Anonymous No.22962663]

>>22962654
>literally every single one of them.
Even >>22962613

[Anonymous No.22962686]

>>22962654
holy bugman

[Anonymous No.22962708]

>>22962612
lol

[Anonymous No.22962711]

>>22962611
Dostoevsky is tiktok-core now. normies will forever be filtered by Faulkner and Melville

[Anonymous No.22962716]

>>22962611
Too many cultural differences. Americans do not possess a cultural identity born of feudalism. I would be inclined to say the Last of the Mohicans might be a contender though, but that is probably the only book that comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.22962717]

>>22962686
Seethe but deep down you know its true

[Anonymous No.22962721]

>>22962711
zoomers like moby dick because it's babby's first long hard book or something

[Anonymous No.22962725]

>>22962654
This. Russian shit i just heavily advertised by Russians. I don't know any other nation, which forces its shit heavily. "Muh war for Russian culture and language" and other brainwashed shit.

[Anonymous No.22962730]

>>22962717
Nope. Henry James sucks.

[Anonymous No.22962731]

>>22962721
Nope that would be Crime and Punishment

[Anonymous No.22962736]

>>22962721
what the fuck are you talking about? zoomers barely have the attention span required to last to the end of a 10 minutes long YouTube video, why would they like Moby Dick due to its length?

[Anonymous No.22962741]

>>22962721
Dostoevsky's writing is for teenagers, legitimately

[Anonymous No.22962756]

>>22962730
read the "Jolly Corner", especially the last half. Those 20 pages or so mogs any schlocky Russian garbage

[Anonymous No.22962757]

>>22962725
>Russian shit i just heavily advertised by Russians
Anglos love it and recommend it. Russians barely exist in English speaking zones, let alone to shill books
> don't know any other nation, which forces its shit heavily.
England with Shakespeare. Germany with their Goethe-Institut.

[Anonymous No.22962787]

Moby-Dick easy

[Anonymous No.22962788]

>>22962757
>Anglos love it and recommend it.
Because it was forced during the Cold War era.

>England with Shakespeare
Nobody cares.

>Goethe-Institut.
It exists just for promoting the study of the German language.

[Anonymous No.22962804]

>>22962788
>Because it was forced during the Cold War era.
No. Its popularity came with the Garnett translations (in the early 20th century).
>Nobody cares.
Because you're used to it.
>It exists just for promoting the study of the German language.
They push his shit, too.

[Anonymous No.22962806]

>>22962804
>They push his shit, too.
And German lit in general*

[Anonymous No.22962823]

>>22962619
>>22962686
Somehow I‘m unsurprised that a russoid lit lover only knows how to communicate with insular and reactive buzzwords. At least he had the consideration to be brief, unlike his idols.

[Anonymous No.22962832]

>>22962804

[Anonymous No.22962840]

>>22962611
America was founded on liberalism. Liberalism doesn't have the soul to create good art.

[Anonymous No.22962857]

>>22962804
>>22962832

[Anonymous No.22962875]

mcteague

[Anonymous No.22962908]

East of Eden

[Anonymous No.22962917]

>>22962832
Russian lit was already popular by the time P&V came in. Writers as diverse as Joyce, Conrad, Hemingway, K. Mansfield, Borges, V. Woolf, among others read the Garnett translations in the early 20th century. I don't know why you post an image about a single novel (The Brothers Karamazov?). She translated all the big novelists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Garnett#Selected_bibliography
Foreigners liked Russian lit before the cold war, especially those who read in English.

[Anonymous No.22962962]

>>22962917
Because it is just politically motivated forced shit.

Crime and Punishment translations on picrel.

[Anonymous No.22962978]

>>22962962
>Because it is just politically motivated forced shit.
We're talking about writers from different countries and political beliefs. The love for Russian lit didn't start in the cold war.

[Anonymous No.22962979]

>>22962611
there are zero - comparing fin-de-siecle American work to European work is like comparing a shriveled old sock to the finery of kings. Some of it is decent but one good work in a decade is not comparable to an entire movement filled with masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.22962997]

>>22962736
Moby Dick is ok and doesn't apply here that much considering it's breadth of meaning but when it comes to the average piece of literature concerning the Human Condition anything over 250 pages is useless exposition. Useless exposition about scenery and architecture is what pads out the length of many works of literature and it the amount of this pointless exposition shows just how much an author was worried about reception for a book. Authors that knew they had a spot-on ciritique of the human condition spelled out in a succinct and poignant manor would never have imagined a pointless expository section but authors fill their works with such drivel and who seemingly believe length is equivalent to quality are numerous and sad to witness.
I've never read a work on the human condition over 250 pages that was worth it. I said this in another thread but I'll say it again because I stand behind it after hundreds of works read. It becomes quite obvious when an author pads his work with this BS because he doesn't have enough to say about humanity.

[Anonymous No.22963006]

>>22962978
>We're talking about writers from different countries and political beliefs.
Remind me, why aren't we talking about Henryk Sienkiewicz, for example, but only about Russian shit? One and the same thing every day.

[Anonymous No.22963065]

>>22962979
European books are for masturbatory displays of vanity, American novels are for actual reading

[Anonymous No.22963222]

>>22962615
Kesey writes like such a fucking boomer I can’t stand it.

[Anonymous No.22963313]

>>22962962
>>22962857
>>22962832
Are you really that retarded?

[Anonymous No.22963805]

>>22962619
>posts lolita
Peak reddit

[Anonymous No.22963815]

>>22962611
Catch-22

[Anonymous No.22963858]

the depth reached by Russians in 19th century is unmatched. it was a special time it appears because since then they could not better it either.

[Anonymous No.22964776]

>>22963313
Cry more, Ivan. Your shit is popular only because greedy publishers wanted to publish something hyped (and what is more hyped in the cold war era than Russia?) and didn't want to pay royalties.

[Anonymous No.22964987]

>>22962611
>russian novels
>chingov chongov mongov
>riep riep riep baht cryiiie for miee iem viery sied beecoz mongoloriep D:

[Anonymous No.22965125]

>>22962611
Moby Dick, The Scarlet Letter, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

[Anonymous No.22965134]

>>22962611
The Russians are shit that English authors scrape off their shoes. So many are superior. Moby Dick, The Sun Also Rises, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, As I Lay Dying, Sometimes A Great Notion. The list goes on. Keep the big braned Russian degeneracy on reddit plz.

[Anonymous No.22965136]

>>22962619
Calling Blood Meridian reddit is the most reddit take there is.

[Anonymous No.22965150]

>>22965134
>Russians are reddit
Why do retards like you engage in such intellectually dishonest fashion?

[Anonymous No.22965160]

>>22965150
You are merely diverting yourself from observing the truth of the matter. Proud retard tho.

[Anonymous No.22965173]

>>22965160
There's no truth of the matter in a post as over-confident in its posturing, as it is lacking in its wisdom.

[Anonymous No.22965183]

>>22965173

[Barkon No.22965187]

>>22965173
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.22965404]

>>22963815
LMAO

[Anonymous No.22965605]

>>22962997
You are a soulless individual who has not appreciation of beauty
Begone from my sight you post modern boggard

[Anonymous No.22965620]

If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

[Anonymous No.22965621]

If Dostoevsky could actually write, he'd have written this.

[Anonymous No.22965683]

>>22962611
Moby Dick
As I Lay Dying
The Sound and the Fury
Lolita

In my opinion on the best of Tolstoy's short stories Death of Ivan Ilyich and Hadji Murad come close to Faulker.

>>22962654
There's a good post here buried beneath the need to own the hecking chuds and sprucing the overwrought bore Henry James.

[Anonymous No.22965684]

Moby Dick
The Scarlet Letter
The Great Gatsby

[Anonymous No.22965725]

>>22965683
To me the only Russian that approaches the American English literary tradition is Chekhov. I do think The Death of Ivan Ilyich is great but as a whole the works of Tolstoy make me cringe for anyone that gives him credence as one of the greats

[Anonymous No.22965761]

>>22965725
Chekhov’s stuff is very technically good but I just find it lacking that special something that you can find in Dostoevsky and Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.22965776]

>>22965125
>The Scarlet Letter
Love me some Hawthorne but Scarlet Letter was a short story and should never have been anything more; I wouldn't put that up against good Russian literature. Ever.

[Anonymous No.22965791]

>>22965761
This cult of Dostoyevsky is such a weird phenomena. He is not nearly this beloved in Russia, but for some reason he's resonated intensely with American youths. Part of me wants to blame it on Jordan Peterson exposing his audience of impressionable incel teenagers to him, but it very clearly goes beyond that. I also think it goes beyond political strata and the alienation american right wingers experience. It's an interesting topic, ironically more interesting than Dostoevsky himself

[Anonymous No.22965845]

>>22965761
>Chekhovs stuff is good but I have an effeminate attachment to the feeling of being included in a certain group of very smart internet anons
Got it. Yr gay

[Anonymous No.22965909]

Coping amerimutts in this thread.

[Anonymous No.22965916]

America was around for like 5 years before television

[Anonymous No.22965920]

>>22965791
Seems like russians are just retarded. Dostoesvky is just proving to be more immortal than even shortsighted russian nationalists who propped up other Russian writers thought. Chekhov is nothing

[Anonymous No.22965982]

>>22965134
>The Sun Also Rises
Hemingway is the most overrated writer ever.

[Anonymous No.22965987]

>>22964776
Take your meds, you were BTFO already.
>>22965683
>Lolita
Written by a Russian lmao

[Anonymous No.22965991]

>>22965982
the reason you believe this and the reason you can't get laid are one in the same

[Anonymous No.22965998]

>>22965991
Nope. He was a fraud, both as a person and as a writer. Good short stories here and there but overall massively overrated. A real man's writer is Jack London. Also the expression is "one and the same", faggot.

[Anonymous No.22966065]

>>22965920
Now there is that characteristic defensiveness and insecurity
Russians tend to not love Dostoevsky because his prose is very plain and unimaginative and his moralizing is a dime a dozen among their authors. In fact it's not an uncommon opinion that translations of Dostoyevsky's works are actually better than the original russian, because the translator likely has more technique and creativity when it comes to how they structure a sentence
I didn't even say they hated him, which they don't, and you acted as if the ghost of Chekhov had struck your dog and called your wife a whore

[Anonymous No.22966077]

>>22965998
Jack London is also great, but youre take on Hemingway is exceedingly suburban. Frauds don't get spied on by glowies, become world class in more than one of their chosen crafts, and survive 2 plane crashes. Hemingway was a literary monster that influenced all writing that has happened in the wake of his career. He expressed the glory of masculinity on a level not seen since the greeks. Plz bud , keep yr phrasing to yourself. Give it up and go try to meet a female she may be able to and straighten you out yet. I have hope

[Anonymous No.22966088]

>>22965605
you will never convince me that it's necessary to pad out literature with pointless descriptions of scenery. Thats not to say that descriptions of scenery are never ok in literature, many of my favorite books have amazing depictions of nature but when it becomes a crutch to pad out a story as many authors use it thats when it becomes an issue and it's virtually always an issue in books over 250 pages.

[Anonymous No.22966092]

>>22966065
I’ve seen numerous Russian students say that Dostoevsky is better in translation which is crazy because I still have a problem with his prose in translation. He is definitely more beloved outside Russia. Tolstoy will always be their literary hero

[Anonymous No.22966103]

>>22966077
>He expressed the glory of masculinity on a level not seen since the greeks.
Come on now, pal. Be serious. He was a poser. Did you know his son was a literal tranny? Why would such a masculine guy raise a tranny? For the record I don't dislike him because muh toxic masculinity or any other liberal bs.

[Anonymous No.22966109]

>>22966077
Everybody gets spied on by glowies and success in the arts within a sick society is more a sign of compliance than anything. Hemmingway was a repressed tranny.

[Anonymous No.22966113]

>>22966092
>still have a problem with his prose in translation
Stop reading P&V. They're dogshit.

[Anonymous No.22966121]

>>22966103
His exposition on masculinity was exceptional specifically because of the internal torment caused by his mother trannying him up at a very young age. He was absolutely mentally unstable but we as his readers were the recipients of that deepest of insight.
>>22966109
No, they dont, at least not in the same manner. you are a faggoty brainiac for believing so

[Anonymous No.22966130]

>>22966092
>Tolstoy will always be their literary hero
No, Russians tend to read and extensively discuss modern authors.

[Anonymous No.22966139]

>>22966130
Such as?

[Anonymous No.22966149]

>>22966139
Alan Moore

[Anonymous No.22966153]

>>22966149
They liked Jerusalem?

[Anonymous No.22966158]

>>22966121
If you‘re moving the goalposts to include manner we still don‘t need to go further than some unwashed virgins on this site.

[Anonymous No.22966159]

>>22966139
Pelevin, Sorokin, Limonov, etc. Late Soviet and modern Russian literature.

[Anonymous No.22966162]

This place looks like 18 year old redditors fighting among themselves. Fuck r/truelit, fuck you, fuck your family. Go back.

[Anonymous No.22966169]

>>22966113
I have Garnett for his other books but P&V for Notes from Underground was hard to read. Very clunky writing, just unpleasant

[Anonymous No.22966180]

>>22966158
These are my original goal posts I am simply explaining them to someone that is either an idiot or takes joy in being petty. Either way, your life must be miserable

[Anonymous No.22966193]

>>22966169
I couldn't empathize with the character. He would say something like "and so it feels like when [higly specific example]", and I just couldn't put myself in his shows. Also read that version. I suppose it's the writing itself.

[Anonymous No.22966200]

>>22966162
Relax bro, it's gonna be alright.

[Anonymous No.22966211]

>>22966159
Interesting. Any particular recs from those 3 guys?

[Anonymous No.22966239]

>>22966211
Day of the Oprichnik by Sorokin. It was a prophecy, which predicted the current state of affairs in Russia.

[Anonymous No.22966249]

>>22966162
this generation still has a long time before they deserve shit. They need good ideas and teaching.

[Anonymous No.22966255]

>>22966211
Generation "П" by Pelevin.

>An English translation by Andrew Bromfield was published by Penguin in the US as Homo Zapiens, and by Faber and Faber in the UK as Babylon.