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[Anonymous No.23118379]

>”oh my god some random China man on the other side of the world caused the long night!!!11”

Why does this book attract and filter so many retards

[Anonymous No.23118390]

>>23118379
I like this one and it’s Targaryen companion book

[Anonymous No.23118525]

Euron is the Bloodstone Emperor reborn!

[Anonymous No.23118537]

>>23118379
The Squishers built Asshai

[Anonymous No.23118652]

>>23118537
Much more likely than “lol Chinese dragon lords” desu.

[Anonymous No.23118724]

>>23118537
I really think whoever or whatever predated the Valyrians were inhuman and abominable rapists from the salt seas, and the people who built the oily black stone were their raped thralls.

[Anonymous No.23118739]

>>23118379
Love that book. One of my buddies stole a copy when he was into drugs and spent a whole week holed up in a motel room, smoking black tar and studying the book lol. He's clean and sober now.

[Anonymous No.23118811]

>>23118724
The “great empire of the dawn” wasn’t a human empire and retarded yi-tish are misinterpreting the black horrors of the past as some golden and glorious age that never actually happened, just like real life China.

[Anonymous No.23118830]

realistically, when's the last time he's been laid?

[Anonymous No.23118864]

>>23118830
Isn’t he married

[Anonymous No.23118890]

>>23118379
Essos is a total mess of randomness in his books. It has many lovecraftian elements but I doubt any of that will matter in the books.

[Anonymous No.23118972]

>>23118830
every morning an oiled-up slave child slithers into the darkness between his fat-folds to find the moldy nub of his penis and suck out a few spurts of its putrid nectar, her only source of sustenance. so if that counts, this morning

[Anonymous No.23118975]

>>23118890
>I doubt any of that will matter in the books.
90% of his fanbase is convinced it will matter
These people are insane

[Anonymous No.23118996]

>>23118972
I really don’t like this post. You should kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.23119006]

>>23118975
I think that all the extended unexplained lore like the deep ones or anything else like that are just there to l give his world some depth. Some of it could be that Martin believes that things like the deep ones exist. And others could be ideas Martin has where the deep ones do not exist and it’s just an interesting myth to make the iron born more interesting. Essos could be interesting if it really were this weird place where a bunch of lovecraftian monsters used to roam. But when I read the books it seems like it’s just a way Martin gives essos culture so that they are not just bland cities. But for me essos is very random and quirky and I am completely uninterested in it

[Anonymous No.23119017]

>>23119006
Nigga, Dragons, little elves and some ice people exist on this world, how deep niggas not be real there?

[Anonymous No.23119020]

>>23118996
we both know you're going to be first

[Anonymous No.23119322]

>>23119017
Not every myth in the world of westeros or essos is real.

[Anonymous No.23119337]

>>23119017
Please write in English.

[Anonymous No.23119814]

>>23118379
God, you’re such a ignorant delusional faggot punk ass motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.23120381]

>>23118972
I lol'd. I'm still laughing lol

[Anonymous No.23120383]

>>23119814
Go ahead, keep sucking Euron’s cock, we will definitely call you a faggot.

[Anonymous No.23120398]

Little Walder Frey will destroy Riverrun

[Anonymous No.23120419]

>>23119322
a lot of that isn't supposed to be real in-universe, it's just what the westerosi maesters believe about these places, places they barely even know exist at all. the inverse also happens, like in yi ti they think the lannisters are literal lions made of gold or something.
but that's the boring answer, and in reality, a decent amount of this is also actually supposed to be real. in westeros, there are dragons and frost demons, a 700 foot tall 300 mile wide wall of enchanted ice, and people have been resurrected from the dead. why couldn't some lovecraftian be real in essos?

[Anonymous No.23120480]

>>23120419
>like in yi ti they think the lannisters are literal lions made of gold or something
That would have been the Asshai’i, from further east, when they interacted with Longstrider.

— ‘Lomas Longstrider reports that, even in far Asshai-by-the-Shadow, there were merchants who asked him if it was true that the "Lion Lord" lived in a palace of solid gold and that crofters collected a wealth of gold simply by plowing their fields.’

Meanwhile…further up north…is a literal Wall of ice.

[Anonymous No.23120508]

>>23118975
>>23119006
>>23119017
>>23119322
>>23120419
I’m also going to point out that the black stone and elements of deep sea horrors aren’t exclusive to Essos, or any continent for that matter.

Like, it’s pretty clear there were civilizations, maybe even empires, of fishy peoples. They made contact all over the coasts of the world. Their descendants are still around.

[Anonymous No.23120522]

I really have no interest in reading these books but I love poking around the lore of the world just to find the random weird shit in it. I've spent hours browsing through the ASOIAF Wiki just to read the lore articles. It's far and away the best thing about this story, better than the actual plot that's for sure.

I love how the Africa stand-in continent has dinosaurs and giant apes.

[Anonymous No.23120638]

>>23120522
>it's better than the plot of [book i haven't read]

[Anonymous No.23120992]

>>23118739
>studying genreshit

[Anonymous No.23121455]

>>23120522
Sothoryos is kind of a South America / Africa hybrid, what with its cursed cities and pirate kingdoms and things.

[Anonymous No.23121551]

>>23118890
Lovecraftian horror is better alluded to than explained so even if Martin intends it to be part of the lore and not just cheeky references it won’t be spelled out. His books seldom spell anything out and that drives engagement like crazy. Speculation is what’s kept them with a fandom.

I would take this further to say there won’t be many definitive answers about anything in the books (assuming they even materialize, piss be upon him). The show made it explicit that the walkers were created by the children, but didn’t elaborate. They accomplish nothing and are punked by Arya too so I expect the narrative won’t do that. However it illustrates that an “answer” you’re given doesn’t really explain much. (Why did this bioweapon turn on them? What controls it, what are its goals? Etc)
Compare it with the labyrinthine theories about Valyrians DNA editing themselves with dragons to control them, the glass candles being ancient technology and so on. How much of this will be stated outright? Nada.

[Anonymous No.23121703]

>>23120383
Excuse me? Watch your whore mouth, you piece of trash.

[Anonymous No.23121871]

Robert Strong is not the resurrected Gregor Clegane, but the resurrected Robert Baratheon.

[Anonymous No.23121948]

>>23121871
He's both. Clegane's body with Robert's head plundered from the dungeons. It'll make for a hilarious moment where, after multiple events see Cersei grow dependent on her supernatural bodyguard, she finally lifts up her visor and sees the cold, dead eyes of her corpulent husband staring back at her.

[Anonymous No.23121952]

>>23121455
>Sothoryos is kind of a South America / Africa hybrid
Isn’t Westeros a North America / Western Europe hybrid?

[Anonymous No.23122149]

>>23118379
The whole bloodstone emperor thing really kind of ruined the asoiaf fanbase
Thank you david lightbringer (i hope you get molested by a fat woman)

[Anonymous No.23122176]

>>23120508
Yes I have seen that what you say is true. But I doubt anything meaningful will come of it in the book. It’s just background aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.23122186]

>>23120638
>>23120522
The main plot is pretty bad in book 4 and 5. Unless it picks up again as 4 and 5 were meant to be filler and we’re meant to be one book, I doubt it will get any better from here on.

[Anonymous No.23122196]

>>23122149
What’s going on with this? Back when I read the series this was not a theory I heard of?

[Anonymous No.23122235]

>>23121952
Yes. The children of the forest are the natives (but also the first men) and the Andals are the white people who ruined it all for everyone.

[Anonymous No.23122238]

>>23122196
George gave various civilizations around the world their own myths and attributions regarding the long night, and of these parallel or contemporary tales is that of the bloodstone emperor, mirroring that of the night’s king, kind of.

[Anonymous No.23122342]

>>23122238
Yes. And then there is the lion of night. But I don’t know why people are talking about bloodstone emperor

[Anonymous No.23122344]

>>23122238
>emperor
I’m hoping there’s an actual reason for why in asshai there are the five forts.

[Anonymous No.23122348]

>>23118739
This is the only proper way to approach the book

[Anonymous No.23122353]

>>23118975
What no books for decades do to mfers

[Anonymous No.23122356]

>>23120638
Honestly it's a better way to approach some story that might not get a conclusion

[Anonymous No.23122381]

>>23118379
Why can't he just write winds, what the fuck is wrong with him

[Anonymous No.23122383]

>>23118972
wtf lol

[Anonymous No.23122428]

>>23122342
Euron is the bloodstone emperor reborn!!!11

[Anonymous No.23122431]

>>23122344
The five forts aren’t anywhere near Asshai, but they were likely built by the same or similar fishy peoples.

[Anonymous No.23122449]

>>23118379
George RR Martin is a conflation of:
j RR tolkien
George Martin - who was in charge of writing all of the Beatles music

It's a team written series with the fat idiot as a front. Likely the team was disbanded after the TV show.

Same thing with JK Rowling. Once the team was disbanded the limit of her creativity was the 'cursed child' abomination.

[Anonymous No.23122464]

>>23122449
>Same thing with JK Rowling. Once the team was disbanded the limit of her creativity was the 'cursed child' abomination.
thought that was shit because she had to shoehorn it into a series that had already been finished and didnt have any space for new plotlines, and then adapt it for theatre

[Anonymous No.23123238]

>>23118972
Pedo fingers typed this disgusting post.

[Anonymous No.23123254]

>>23122428
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.23123287]

>>23118972
Lovely

[Anonymous No.23123304]

>>23122431
>they were likely built by the same or similar fishy peoples.
No they weren't
Wtf are you smoking

[Anonymous No.23123318]

Blackfyres are so cool, their name is edgy and they are also underdogs. Edgy underdogs are just the best.

[Anonymous No.23123384]

>>23118972
he knows

[Anonymous No.23123546]

>>23123304
Yes they were? The five forts are right next to former coasts, just like Yeen, when the world’s waters were higher.

There were inland seas in Essos, on both sides of the bone mountains. You people can’t connect the dots to save your lives.

[Anonymous No.23124379]

>>23122235
Children of the forest are sidhe

[Anonymous No.23124381]

>>23122381
He got too involved with tv show stuff again. I’m glad he got rich but I wish HBO was more hands off for him

[Anonymous No.23124384]

>>23123318
Daemon was just the better man. He should have been king, fuck Daeron and FUCK Bloodraven

[Anonymous No.23124441]

>>23123318
Plus dragon dream ability

[Anonymous No.23124750]

books....pls...

[Anonymous No.23124825]

>>23124384
Bloodraven is rather Jewish in his comportment, isn't he?

[Anonymous No.23124897]

>>23122381
>George is taking so long Preston will be able to finish his heretical text and create a schism in the fandom
Kino

[Anonymous No.23124940]

>>23124897
It’s hilarious to watch the snail’s pace fanbook beat George to the punch. It’s even worse if he actually guesses a lot of the plot points. I personally think Pressy is too convoluted and his pet theories like Quentin will just be dropped by George. But if not it’ll be funny that the big tweests are all defused by having existed in the fanbook for a year or so.

[Anonymous No.23125169]

>>23118830

Probably before that Logan Paul fight

[Anonymous No.23125464]

>>23124825
His entire lineage is. Blackwoods should go back to da norf, they dont belong in the Riverlands

[Anonymous No.23125932]

>>23124897
So like, how can people like Preston even exist? Him along with David Lightbringer *love* the books to the point where they are perfectly okay *raping* it with their theories that border on fan fiction—something Martin despises. Fuck them and their absolute arrogance.

[Anonymous No.23125949]

>>23125932
It’s literally fan fiction now.
But honestly it’s Gurms fault. Both in that he deliberately writes in an indirect style hinting at a lot of plot that isn’t spelled out. He baits his own readers into speculating about what is happening, and how things will turn out.
He then produces no fucking books. It wouldn’t be so bad if they had a few years to build hype for whatever retard theories and then the book drops and dispels or confirms them. But he’s had no material for a fucking decade. The only people who care are obsessives left with nothing to do but theorize and hope. Gurms also drops more “lore” (again vague enough to never really confirm jack shit unambiguously) to churn the theorizing even more.

[Anonymous No.23125956]

>>23124897
>The ASOIAF Apocrypha is being written as we speak

[Anonymous No.23126071]

>>23125949
>But honestly it’s Gurms fault
Why? For taking so long? Hypothetically, had George been in a coma for the past 10-15 years, would you still feel this same way?

[Anonymous No.23126126]

>>23126071
But he hasn’t been in a coma. He’s just lazy or doesn’t know how to finish the books.

[Anonymous No.23126128]

>>23126126
It's pretty obvious he scrapped like 70-90% of the Winds of Winter that existed in 2015/2016 because he didn't like it.

[Anonymous No.23126213]

>>23124940
Wasn't the whole point of Quentin's act, about the hero journey failing?
Its just another yapping and rambling subplot inserted by Martin, just like Brian in the riverlands.

Preston is being schizo for thinking it's more than that.

>>23125932
Honestly it is a fair point, I'm surprised they haven't moved on. I love Preston, and I still watch all his shit, but how can you care this much for a work?

[Anonymous No.23126217]

>>23125169
What a strange phenotype he has

[Anonymous No.23126266]

>>23126071
He hasn’t been in a coma. He keeps saying he’s writing. He’s insisted it’s coming out constantly shifting the deadline. He keeps promoting the world with new shows, the lore books, it’s a perpetual cocktease about it all coming to fruition.
His own hype train has kept the fans occupied as there’s fucking nothing to read. So they theorize and go insane trying to distill copium about how good it’s gonna be, how it all pays off.
That’s probably half the reason he can’t write it. He can’t come up with anything to match the hype. His best reveals have been exposed. Expect half the plot threads to just be dropped because his gardening storytelling can’t make things work.
>>23126213
> Wasn't the whole point of Quentin's act, about the hero journey failing?
Right, that’s what I think. The lorefreaks can’t stand the thought that he wasted a chapter just to say “haha you thought” (it’s frankly stupid and excessive given that he’s drummed the same point home however many times). They need it to mean more, tie into some grand reveal.

If he just finished the fucking books the bar for them would have been lower. If he finished Winds before the show ended he would’t have to compete with having shown his hand (to whatever extent they got and followed his “vision”).

[Anonymous No.23126394]

>>23126266
>abloobloobloo, make things on time for meeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.23126443]

>>23118811
Ways That Are Dark enjoyer?

[Anonymous No.23126459]

>>23126394
>aboobloohoo care about my books but not too much stop asking me to write just CONSOOM my illustrated loreshit and watch tee vee

[Anonymous No.23126753]

>>23126394
>>23126459
Now kiss

[Anonymous No.23127028]

>>23126071
nigga why did you write this in the /tg/ thread as well are you plotting on putting lardman in a coma?

[Anonymous No.23127030]

>>23126753
Now have passionate sex for the purpose of reproduction

[Anonymous No.23127164]

>>23123318
They weren't really edgy honestly until Maegor. But yes. Black on red is the superior heraldry.

[Anonymous No.23127355]

>>23127028
cross board posters are the actual worst, and i cant tell if theyre serious trolls or not

[Anonymous No.23128484]

Why do they assume Asshai was the capital of anything when it could have been Stygai for all we know

[Anonymous No.23129174]

>>23128484
Asshai is mentioned much more often and many important characters like melisandre come from there

[Anonymous No.23129392]

>>23129174
....Okay, and?

[Anonymous No.23129474]

>>23129392
And so it's no wonder people assume it is an historically relevant place

[Anonymous No.23129486]

>>23129474
It's a no wonder they're retarded for knowing anything about the Shadow. Stygai could be much bigger for all the reader knows. What about Ulthos?

[Anonymous No.23129566]

>>23129486
Lithos and stygie were made up after book three. To me I was so annoyed for all these characters religions and locations being obviously just made up on the spot after book three since the three year plan and the condensed feast for crows book didn’t work out. I am not interested in reading about Quentin Martell. I am not interested in reading about euron. I am not interested in reading about young griff. These characters obviously did not exist in the mid of the author prior to the third book being published. Why introduce so many characters when the books are supposed to be coming to the conclusion? A feast for crowd basically started the series all over again with how much it introduced.

[Anonymous No.23129572]

>>23128484
Because these readers are religious. They cannot entertain being wrong. They just believe. They don’t juggle any alternatives, even ones they dislike.

[Anonymous No.23129845]

Preston is a bald faggot

[Anonymous No.23129988]

>>23118890
As if there's gonna be another book

[Anonymous No.23130298]

>>23129845
He's definitely a bit of a weirdo. He kind of seems like a hatereader at times, I'm not a fan of him at all personally

[Anonymous No.23131795]

What’s even in Yi Ti?

[Anonymous No.23132125]

>>23131795
ninjas

[Anonymous No.23133182]

>>23131795
Turtles

[Anonymous No.23133698]

>>23131795
Traditional Yi-Tish medicine

[Anonymous No.23133959]

The majority of readers take the fantasy elements, including vague myth, as outright literal and it pisses me off to no fucking end.

[Anonymous No.23134275]

The faceless men did not cause the doom either

[Anonymous No.23134298]

>>23118972
>her

[Anonymous No.23134740]

>>23126213
The entire Martell story is GRRM basically reiterating all the series' themes in the most blatant way possible. Every time the Martells enact some new scheme for revenge one of their loved ones dies. Every. Single. Time. But they are so petty and stupid that they keep trying.
Quentyn is a reiteration of this. Doran uses his son as a tool in his revenge quest and what a surprise, Quentyn dies horribly. GRRM, being an anti-war hippie obsessed with Vietnam, also probably wrote this in as an analogy for older generations sending their children to their deaths in foreign wars on the other side of the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ellaria murders Doran and coups Dorne like in the show. It will happen after Arianne and the older sand snakes that Doran sent to King's Landing for yet another revenge plot inevitably die pointlessly. The difference is that Ellaria will actually have a sensible motive for the coup, to end the cycle of revenge that killed her lover and his family members.
What irritates me about Preston is that he understands very well that a major theme of the story is REVENGE BAD and that GRRM is an anti-war hippie. Yet somehow he has done extreme mental gymnastics to convince himself and others that the retards in the story most obsessed with revenge will magically win out in the end.

[Anonymous No.23134816]

>>23134275
They likely had a part to play. Maybe it was unintended. Just one piece among many players.

[Anonymous No.23134904]

>>23134816
Was the doom not just a random volcano eruption?

[Anonymous No.23135103]

>>23134904
There's a theory that Valyrian wizards kept the volcanos from erupting, either through human sacrifice or other dark arts, and the Faceless Men killed all the fire mages leading to the eruption of the Fourteen Flames.

[Anonymous No.23135133]

>>23134904
It's somewhat ambiguous.

1/2

[Anonymous No.23135141]

>>23135133
2/2

>>23135103
That's not even a theory, that's in AWoIaF right here.

[Anonymous No.23135224]

>>23135141
Wow, I totally forgot about that. Maybe it's time for a reread.

[Anonymous No.23135355]

>>23135141
>That's not even a theory
Of course it is. We're still without vast context. Why do you just up and believe things like an idiot? Do you just assume the Faceless went in there all ninja-like or something? What? You do realize Valyrians had glass candles, right?

You people conveniently leave out so much to affirm your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.23135444]

>>23135141
>belief in a hundred gods and more
>godlessness
dumb fucking septons

[Anonymous No.23135455]

>>23135355
I didn't mean the faceless man part. The Valyrians having fire mages that used magic to control the volcano isn't a theory.

The Faceless Men part is speculation since their goals are nebulous. They require massive sums of money for their assassinations but it's unclear what they do with it. I don't even think GRRM knows since that plot doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.23135469]

>>23135455
>it's unclear what they do with it
Hookers and blow, just like every other killer for hire

[Anonymous No.23136387]

jesus christ

[Anonymous No.23136438]

>>23134740
The biggest theme of the Martell story is that Doran thinks he's a 500 IQ chess master but he just waits too long and so all his plans fail.

[Anonymous No.23136440]

>>23135455
They're in league with the Iron Bank desu

[Anonymous No.23136521]

Firewyrms caused the doom you retarded motherfuckers
They also caused hardhome

[Anonymous No.23136639]

>>23118379
Huh?

[Anonymous No.23136841]

>>23136639
What?

[Anonymous No.23137644]

>>23136438
Yea and hes gonna fall like an idiot for Young Griff. No way Varys didnt prepared some "proofs" to convince Doran that kid is his nephew. Or at least this would had happened if Martin didnt stopped writing

[Anonymous No.23137691]

>>23135444
Wait until you hear about christians calling people of another denomination atheists.

[Anonymous No.23137785]

>>23136639
Pardon?

[Anonymous No.23138561]

>>23136521
I believe this

[Anonymous No.23138797]

Does awoiaf say anything interesting about the land of always winter?

[Anonymous No.23139535]

>>23138797
No.

[Anonymous No.23139632]

>>23126213
>Wasn't the whole point of Quentin's act, about the hero journey failing?
it was to pit Dorne against Dany in the coming war against Aegon

[Anonymous No.23139788]

Aegon will steal one of dany's dragon's, burn all of the blackwood family, and win and blackfyres will be happy rulers forever afterwards

[Anonymous No.23139962]

>>23139788
>dany
>ever making it to westeros
by the time she's finally on her ships to sail the entire fucking sea will be frozen and they won't be able to sail

[Anonymous No.23140334]

>>23138797
It’s just the North Pole anon

[Anonymous No.23140366]

>>23140334
No, there's something there. Bran saw it in the first book and cried out when he saw it, so whatever it was scared him

[Anonymous No.23140828]

>>23140366
The norther North Pole

[Anonymous No.23140920]

>>23140366
The Others, the army of undead, you know the whole" Winter is coming".

[Anonymous No.23141135]

>>23140366
probably some ice people village

[Anonymous No.23141718]

>>23141135
They don’t have a culture tho

[Anonymous No.23142165]

>>23118972
LMFAO

[Anonymous No.23142347]

>>23142165
Grow up

[Anonymous No.23142690]

>>23120398
Isnt little walder dead? I think its big walder thats still alive

[Anonymous No.23142700]

>>23121948
KINO

[Anonymous No.23142843]

>>23142347
No

[Anonymous No.23143434]

>>23142690
Correct

>>23121948
It is clearly Clegane's body with Falyse Stokeworth's head

[Anonymous No.23143559]

>>23142690
Big Walder is alive and seems to be the only commander of the Frey forces alive in the battle against Stannis. The likely outcome is that Stannis will capture Big Walder and could use him as a convenient puppet.

[Anonymous No.23143987]

>>23136639
Retarded readers assume retarded things, and OP is mad about it.

[Anonymous No.23144048]

>>23143559
>Big Walder is alive and seems to be the only commander of the Frey forces
Isn't he like ten? Ser Aenys Frey died when his horse fell into one of the pits the Umbers dug. Ser Hosteen ("Ser Stupid") is now commanding the Freys.

[Anonymous No.23144336]

>>23144048
That's what I remember from the Asha fragment that's floating around online but it's probably Hosteen. It just describes their leader's armor.

[Anonymous No.23145659]

>>23133698
Some of which is probably legit, in this world at least.

[Anonymous No.23146068]

>>23145659
Powdered dragon horn…

[Anonymous No.23146076]

>>23118379
I don't know but the ASOIAF to right wing pundit pipeline is real

[Anonymous No.23146142]

>>23118379
Read the first two books back in the day and still haven't gotten around to the rest. Are the dunk & egg stories interesting? I think I've heard good things about them.

[Anonymous No.23146213]

>>23146142
Yeah they are pretty good.

Very different from the regular ASOIAF books in the sense that they try to be a more traditional knight story, but they are short and entertaining.

If you like the lore they also reveal some interesting things there.

[Anonymous No.23146253]

>>23146076
>martin causes us suffering by witholding new books from us
>martin is a leftist
>therefore leftists cause suffering
It's just the logical conclusion

[Anonymous No.23147116]

david lightbringer ruined the fanbase

[Anonymous No.23147173]

>>23147116
>be middle aged
>dresses like Rhaegar
>unintentional valyrian supremacist
>talks about GoTD like how Helen Blavatsky talked about Agartha
he’s profoundly based, and also a profound retard.

[Anonymous No.23147864]

>>23147116
>>23147173
He's kind of cute in an awkward and frustrating sort of way.