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>actually ended philosophy

>> No.23228535

>philosophy
>end

Philosophy is just a big scam, it's a venture that can't be definitely anwser, only science can give the final word, and even then is open to revision, different from scanlosophy

>> No.23228537

>bourgeois humanist spending his life in a cushy at the atheist academia ends philosophy

lol

>> No.23228668

>>23228530
I cannot stand rorty. give me around 15 minutes

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>>23228530
Rorty shows us Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Dewey, telling us that original philosophy is dead and only edifying philosophy remains.
But did wittgenstein really say that?
As far as I know, the only source Rorty come up with Wittgenstein dropping original philosopy is Philosophical Investigations 133.

Here is PI 133.
>For the clarity that we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this simply means that the philosophical problems should completely disappear.
>The real discovery is the one that enables me to break off philosophizing when I want to. a The one that gives philosophy peace, so that it is no longer tormented by questions which bring itself in question. a Instead, a method is now demonstrated by examples, and the series of examples can be broken off. —– Problems are solved (difficulties eliminated), not a single problem.

Wittgenstein is saying something really hard to understand.
He wants a complete solution to a philosophical problem, but he says it's not a solution to the SINGLE problem.
Actually, that fragment is explained in his book Zettel.
Here's Zettel 447;

>Disquiet in philosophy might be said to arise from looking at philosophy wrongly, seeing it wrong, namely as if it were divided into (infinite) longitudinal strips instead of into (finite) cross strips. This inversion in our conception produces the greatest difficulty. So we try as it were to grasp the unlimited strips and complain that it cannot be done piecemeal. To be sure it cannot, if by a piece one means an infinite longitudinal strip. But it may well be done, if one means a cross-strip.—But in that case we never get to the end of our work!—Of course not, for it has no end. (We want to replace wild conjectures and explanations by quiet weighing of linguistic facts.)

His sense of philosophical resolution is evident here. It's clear that there is some grand solution, but it has an INFINITE PROBLEM, like moving from infinite columns to infinite rows, that can't be solved in a single step.

Rorty completely misunderstood Wittgenstein.

The same would be true of Heidegger. His very word edification comes from Heidegger's apostle Gadamer's word "Bildung", and this word accompanies the entire history of German Geisteswissenschaft.

>> No.23228708

>>23228535
>only science can give the final word
Why do you want an answer?

>> No.23228784

>>23228530
Ronna (Burger): Did you have contact with the Rortys in Chicago?
Seth (Benardete): I knew Rorty, not Mrs. Rorty.
Robert (Berman): Was he on the Committee?
Seth: No, he was in the philosophy department. He must have entered the same year that (Allan) Bloom had, at sixteen, I think. He was a real sad-sack. He had this extraordinary case of Weltschmerz, from a very early age. It was based on the fact that he had nothing to have Schmerz about.
Ronna: Life was too easy.
Seth: Everything was fine, but he was miserable because he had no experiences. And that's absolutely consistent with what happened later.
Ronna: How is that?
Seth: Well, in other words, it turned out that, when he came to philosophy, it provided the proof of his despair. He now had an argument for his psychological state, which he then expresses in the book. It's an amazing match, it seems to me.
Robert: The denial that knowledge represents beings, so knowledge is not a mirror?
Seth: That it's a matter of metaphors, right? There's really nothing to know, that's the point.
Robert: I see.
Seth: But what's interesting is, it comes out through philosophy because there's no experience attached to it. A girlfriend of his committed suicide, two years after she was his girlfriend. So be couldn't be in despair about the fact that he had driven her to suicide. He had to be in despair about the fact that she hadn't been his girlfriend when she committed suicide.
Michael: Were you friends?
Seth: I guess casual friends.
Ronna: He was a good student?
Seth: He must have been a very good student. He had this very deprecating manner about everything. He was always apologetic. His dissertation was on Aristotle's notion of potentiality, it was 600 pages long; actuality would have been very short.
Ronna: What about Amelie (Rorty)?
Seth: Amelie I met years later, when they were at Yale. He wrote me a letter-- I must have been in Europe-- saying that he was getting married. And I wrote back and said that I was glad he had found his Aristophanic other half. And he wrote back and said, "Not this girl."

>> No.23228897

>>23228537
spbp

>> No.23228929

>>23228530
Philosophy was ended by Rene Guenon (pbuh), Rorty is just Anglo mental masterbation

>> No.23228972

>>23228707
Heidegger, Wittgenstein and Dewey all came back to their original ideas and rejected them in later works.

>> No.23228980

>>23228784
Why are you posting high school gossip?

>> No.23228998

>>23228537
>bourgeois humanist spending his life in a cushy at the atheist academia ends philosophy
...but he also has flaws?

>> No.23229006

>>23228972
>Heidegger
He did not.

>> No.23229014

>>23228980
Because it spells out Rorty's attitude and it's funny, duh

>> No.23229109

>>23228535
Philosophy is a science.

>> No.23229270

>>23228929
You will never be a muslim

>> No.23229343

>1995
>Refuted

>> No.23230271

me, i reckon donald davidson was the best american philosopher of the last century

>> No.23230292

>>23228530
>philosophy
>not written in greek or german
kek nice joke, OP

>> No.23230943

>>23228784
>And he wrote back and said, "Not this girl."
what the living fuck did he mean by this

>> No.23230991

>>23230292
>German
actually kill yourself

>> No.23230998

>>23230991
anglo hands wrote this post

>> No.23231006

>>23230998
Correct. Now kill yourself.

>> No.23231335

>>23230943
Simple, he has autism