/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Rare instance of the company making the talent instead of the other way around. She became a generic twitch thot once she gained "freedom" (which she didn't use for anything besides flesh streaming).

OP unironically misses her reddit meme streams

>>74934292
they were cringekino

>>74934292
>newfags pretending asacoco wasn't the majority of her content
like pottery

It is the same
If you don't understand that, you are a whinny faggot.

>>74934451
Found the tourist.

>>74934645
blast his ass nanora

>>74934451
that is like saying metamorphosis girl is same girl at begining and end of manga. technically correct but way off. they both did indeed find her freedom

>>74934004
kson is streaming on youtube
at least do some research first, sister

you guys need a new hobby

>>74934787
Jojo ending is canon

Back then Holo was on the way to become the shitty corpo that Niji is nowadays
She and what happened with her was one of the main turning points

>>74934004
gotta say she has a nice ass. she should do asmr together with noels friend.

>>74935052
she just jumped ship too early, if she had waited year or two

>>74935172
No way she could've done that. She's more suited to thotting as a streamer than being an idol. It sucks because Coco was legit fun.

>>74935345
watch streams, islander

>>74935387
Tried. Don't care for kson streams. Even if shes using avatar.

>>74935419
tape a blue triangle to your screen then

>>74935345
some of them stream from their former accounts, she coumd have done that

>>74934645
Hime being based again

>>74934004
The Dragon of Taiwan...

Turns out some people don't want to watch Twilight just because Robert Pattison acted well in the recent Batman movie. With vtubers it's less severe than with movie actors, but a similar principle applies.

Coco worked so well because she was the exception to the rule within hololive. Every other girl was trying to be proper and trad, while Coco was swearing her mouth off and shaving her pubes on stream.

>>74935836
she does literally the same content with a different logo though

>>74935890
you have never watched a coco stream or a hololive stream
probably a phasefag

>>74934451
the streamer is the same, yes
everything surrounding the streamer has changed, and that counts.

>>74936031
the fans are the same, the website is the same, the content is the same
if you want to see hololive members then go watch them instead

>>74935919
She still an outlier in her environment who does a morning show about her corpo's happenings with funny skits?

>>74935968
Interesting lie you just posted there.

>>74936215
the hololive managers literally banned her from doing asacoco
>>74936223
>Every other girl was trying to be proper and trad
you have never watched hololive

>>74936424
You seem to be running out of arguments.

>>74936504
the other girls literally do asmr that you're supposed to jack off to, you dumb nijinigger

>>74936110
>the content is the same
I'm tired of this fucking argument. Coco barely slept because back then she actually prepared scripted content, she had asacoco, trailers she herself made, even if cringe reddit shitpost. Now she's just riding the dying wave that started from her Coco days, 0 effort besides waking up and doing her makeup

>>74935890
This is only a small aspect of why she worked well. She sprung to action very quickly and very little problems approaching people or dragging them into a collab or asacoco feature.

That being said kson still has the potential inside of her, probably even more than Coco. But she will have to overcome her personal demons she is still fighting with, her health problems due to stress and the blockades she has within the Japanese VTuber industry.

Saying VShojo changed her is just coping, saying Hololive made her good is just coping. The reality is that there are wounds that only time can heal, if at all.

>>74936424
She gets to do it again and gave up after her first few tries because it's too much work having to sacrifice sleep. She had to take pills when doing asacoco.

>>74936110
>seething this hard
didn't say there was anything wrong with her anon, just that some things are different which is a fact. you getting so defensive is cute though.

>>74936716
stop lying, monkey

>>74934004
you missed the model not the person
its ok OP we understand that you are a selfish guy

>>74936031
towa said so herself that coco wont survive inside holo right now at its current state

>>74936852
He missed the blue dorito

>>74936736
>kcuck doesnt know about GMMF
the worst part about joining vshojo was getting these new monkey posting garbage fans

>>74934292
they were ludo but it required holoEN not existing. i miss telephone games and other english pandering streams

>>74937425
that's not asacoco, retard

>>74934004
Stop living in the past, anon
Things change, deal with it and move on

>>74935919
>>74936031
>>74936031
>>74934451
I'm probably a huge idiot for saying this, but, and I say this as someone who was a huge fan of Coco but not of Kson, I think what of people don't really want to admit to is the fact that the almost entirely watched Coco for her collab energy. Hell, I hated writing that last sentence, but it's true for me, too.

Even back when she was Coco, I barely watched her solo content. Kson lost the hololive collaboration sphere, and for Coco that was a huge part of why people actually watched her.

And I have to thank Kson in that way for making me realize what it is about a lot of the "seison't" types that I think are good entertainers while never wanting to actually watch them stream: they're all great collab partners that I don't really like watching stream alone. Having someone unseiso bounce off someone seiso (both terms being used EXTREMELY relatively) is always instant comedy. Viewers LOVE that kind of thing.

Not that Kson has immediately crumbled to dust as soon as she left hololive; she's still doing fine for herself, and I'm happy for her. But it made me realize that "blue dorito buff" is, weirdly, not JUST the hololive logo, though indeed that's a big chunk of it. Hell, I imagine that losing the collab circle is among the main things keeping hololive members from wanting to leave - because they know that they genuinely need their genmates beside them to be as popular as they are.

>>74937825
she collabs with plenty of """"seiso""""" types but you don't give a shit because they're not in hololive

>>74934004
asacoco commercials with watame takes me back

2020fags..

coco isn't seiso that's why she got terminated

>>74934004
I like both Coco and kson. It's not like they're entirely different, but neither are they the same, nor do I enjoy them for the same reasons.

>>74937976
Guy who posted >>74937825 here.
Actually, that is, in fact, the one time I do tune into Kson streams nowadays: when she's collaborating with Henya (and a couple others, but primarily Henya). And indeed, if Kanata ever graduates hololive without quitting VTubing entirely (not going to happen lol), I would very much not be surprised Kson gain a "new" collab partner that instantly helps out her popularity.
(Or any other hololive member really, but KanaCoco is one of the most legendary hololive pairings of all time, and I watched all of their collab content despite the fact I don't watch either of them solo lol)

One thing that I've asked myself. Would AsaCoco even work these days?
Feels like the whole VTuber community has been flooded with idiots who feel offended with almost anything. We'd probably have some rage thread every day, if we had AsaCoco 1.0 these days.

Hell even with the image here, someone would have been outraged in some way.
I think the times of this kind of stuff are over.

On another note:
One thing that also suprised me when re-watching it, was how often there was some word-play within the crude humor.

>>74935919
Yes and no, while her meme review streams are ok they are not the same she used to do in Holo, she doesn't do them as often too either but she's also ultra busy with events and what not lately but even then the lack of collab partners for meme reviews is sad since she can't fuck arou d with people while doing them.

>>74934004
What an original comment.
Another case of repeat it until you believe it.

>>74934129
she was a vtuber before hololive existed

>>74939689
If I don't recall wrong she used to do tons of makeup streams even before that right?
My memory is going to shit due to an accident, I don't remember what I ate yesterday for example.

>>74935447
The content is not the same you retard.

>>74936852
No, I miss the person who had to fit that model. The person inside is now unrestrained and boring.

>>74937825
>>74938572

That's about the realest take regarding Kson. Was a hardcore fan but really fell out of it when she slumped out of it back in December of 21. Like hardcore, buy all merch in November when she celebrated her "893" birthday. By the time the merch came in Feb, i already lost interest. I never opened them and left it in a corner of my room. Threw it out some time last year unopened.

It feels like nowadays she's spamming IRL events and cons that she seldom streams. After she got cats, they feel like cheap copouts for her zatsudan too. It just doesn't feel like she's as passionate about vtubing as she was when she just debut Daikou or as Coco...so her comment when she returned from overseas regarding the implied Niji disaster was fucking kek.

>>74943285
>It just doesn't feel like she's as passionate about vtubing
She isn't. She never was. That's why she had to leave post chink war when hololive had to tighten up their regulations. She is a western type streamer through and through which is basically about 'being yourself' rather than having a persona.

>>74934004
She streams on youtube you fucktard.
Why are so many threads started by retards that don't know shit about vtubing and refuse to look up even the most basic info?
This one even claims to be a vtuber fan- what a fucking joke.

>>74934129
Hololive's popularity is largely thanks to Coco. Most of them were irrelevant losers before she joined, and even the so called "golden gen" was getting mogged by other vtubers.
Coco made Hololive and not the other way around.

>>74943744

That was a naive time when i believed that too. Nowadays looking back, i think clippers made Hololive more than she did, or any of the talents did in their singular efforts anyways.

She might have birthed the idea of Holo EN but who knows just how much she had in the hand of that idea...

From my perspective, Kson is a sweet lady just trying to have fun with her fans while Hololive is literally soulless corporate garbage nowadays so it's genuinely weird seeing people saying the opposite. I honestly don't understand how anyone could still like Hololive, speaking as someone who thought 2020 Hololive was the most kino content ever to be streamed. And I've been watching streams since Cosmo and Siglemic in 2010 or whatever. I didn't even watch Coco or Asacoco. They were all just that good before they sanitized everything for corporate sponsors. But anyway I'm glad she's out of there, it was terrible for her health.

>>74944112
lol where is this pasta from

I miss when she used to say faggot. I would watch her more often if she started saying faggot again.

>>74944285
My brain.

>>74943385
shame really, Coco was a great persona in the right place.
blue dorito really could use more self-respecting content creators, it won't take long until Raden is strongarmed in line with others to play fotm and chilla games...

>>74943385
>if she liked vtubing she would stay in hololive!
very tribal of you

>>74943997
I do think her AsaCoco did play a very substantial role in pushing Hololive forward, daily 30 minute summary of events with sharp humor, no other morning show since has come close to being able to hold the jockstrap that the OG.

>>74943744
Sankisei made hololive what it is today.
Can you imagine Hololive without Marine and Pekora?
You can't

>>74938572
Been waiting and hoping for Rica and Kson to do something together since events earlier this year. Not sure if Rica is waiting until she gets her L2D or if there are other reasons for her hesitation. Somewhat disappointed that she seems to be hyperfocusing on GFE and pandering to her core gachikoi but I guess if she loses them then she is done for...

>>74943385
Spoken like someone without and idea of what they're talking about. Weirdly kson even changes persona based on model.

Though >>74943285 is right, her passion for VTubing has decreased. Hell, I might even say for streaming. I still enjoy her streams, but compared to the past her streams are weak, outside of collabs. Interestingly she seems to know this herself, she also knows what she needs to do, but she doesn't seem to have the fortitude to do so. (That being said I think she'll stay in this hole forever, if she doesn't learn to kick her own ass out of it)

>>74944112
interestingly it the deranged version of how I feel.
2020 hololive brought me back to how content creation was before all the sponsor bullshit, ad-safe content, corporations making content, etc.
If you grew up with early AVGN you probably have that mindset. But I can understand anyone who likes current hololive. It's a great "product", but to me it's one more reminder of what content creation has turned into. But that's an issue separate to kson, because she also toned herself down for sponsors and it's probably one of the reasons we'll never get an AsaCoco successor that is worthy.

>>74946810
I can, would it be a more modest success? Absolutely but it would still be viable with the likes of Aqua, Korone, Miko, Subaru and Fubuki.

>>74944112
>>74946965
Thank god I'm not the only one, so tired of being surrounded by people talking about the new heights of success Hololive is reaching and don't get me wrong I'm sure they are doing great financially but personally there is some manic creative spark that is missing that was so central to my enjoyment of them back in 2020/2021. It wasn't just Coco alone, there was just a bit more loosey goosey way of streaming that seems to been silently killed as they became more corporate and more safe.

>>74942148
You are deez nuts. Yeah she did makeup and cosplay. And a different version of shitty Japanese/English lessons. Her first cosplay I watched was tifa when remake first came out. She even cut her bangs on stream to match. Not a wig, but her own hair.

>>74947284(me)
Fuck, ate, not are.

Coco was funny because she wasn't supposed to be swearing and had a funny voice.

Kson swearing is a nothing and she doesn't have a funny voice.

How can people not understand this? If Coco was still in Hololive everyone would be kneeling before her 5m sub count.

>>74943285
>>74943385
>Nijicuck falsefaggin
Ogey

Did any holos or even the stars ever sing her song in a karaoke?

>>74934645
Finally someone who makes perfect sense nanora

coco walked so hololive could RUN

>>74946846
Don't know whether they will. Don't you feel like Rica snapped out of interacting with Kson about last year or in 2022?

Their last collab after their song was Pikamee-Rica-Kson in Ultimate Chicken Horse. Might be wrong though.

GuRiSon was a thing. Then it's just hardcore Guutaara fucking with Kson for the whole of last year.

>>74934004
She pretty much ruined vtubing, seriously dont like her. Her legacy is pretty much ruining vtubing for like weird political reasons.

>>74947577
As much as I love Coco I don’t think she would have maintained herself in such a way to have ‘5 million subs’ by now. She and Marine were neck and neck for most of 2020 in subs before Marine finally eclipsed her and Coco’s solo streams were bringing in mid tier viewers for most of her career and especially in her latter months before her announcement. I do think if she had stayed on she would easily have above 2 million subs and continue being a vital bridge and collab partner for JP-EN streams.

>>74935919
It was funnier when she was the exception, she stood out for that reason. Now she's with her ilk, she's basically a dime a dozen.

>>74947950
It’s weird how Rica has fallen out of the equation while Kson and Guutara continue to hand out alot. Some days I don’t know what to make of Rica and it worries me

>>74934004
>I miss her...
then you are retarded, sorry
just go and watch her streams, she's live multiple times per week
you clearly don't actually miss her, that's obvious

>>74948169
holoEN weren't even allowed to say her name

>>74948088
Is this "ruin" in the room with us right now?

>>74946965
>2020 hololive brought me back to how content creation was before all the sponsor bullshit, ad-safe content, corporations making content, etc.
Agreed, which is why it's depressing that's how Hololive ended up.
>But that's an issue separate to kson, because she also toned herself down for sponsors
I don't really see that. If you go back and watch pre-Hololive streams she's mostly the same as she is now (but with better Japanese). Coco had some more extreme content in Asacoco but other than that she doesn't seem that different to me. Her solo streams are pretty chill and she gets rowdy in collabs, same as Coco.
>>74947183
>It wasn't just Coco alone, there was just a bit more loosey goosey way of streaming that seems to been silently killed as they became more corporate and more safe.
Precisely.

>>74946810

>>74948596
Ah the good old days of watching ひるココ every lunch break.

>>74948267
>She's live multiple times of the week.
Looking at her Youtube...her last stream is 6 days ago.
Her total streams in the past 4 weeks is 12.
6 of which are non-gaming.
No streams are longer than 4 hours.
...and this is one of her stats in a 4-week period.

Her Twitch is worst. 4 streams in a 2-week period. Before there, there's no stream at all for 3 months. Take note she's keeps subscribers too.

She's seldom live multiple times per week these days. Go and compare it with her stats in blue triangle day.

>>74947950
It is strange that their interactions dropped off a cliffedge after Kson joined VShojo. That first year as an indie it felt like Rica was helping Kson out a fair amount behind the scenes, maybe she felt slighted if Kson didn't give her a heads up about her plans or if being part of VShojo complicated their interactions? Even if that was the case now that Rica is also free of the blue dorito that complication should be gone now. I think their last interaction was a single tweet out of the blue in late 2022.
https://twitter.com/kuroneko_datenn/status/1587629023907442688

>>74948838
Not sure if you have the tism but the point was that she is still an active streamer in the general sense who you can still watch and support. Not a dead person who doesn't exist. At the moment she has been rotating between travelling the world and being sick so she hasn't been as active but she will be once she recovers from covid.
>>74948907
>It is strange that their interactions dropped off a cliffedge after Kson joined VShojo
Not really. They had like 3 streams together and the last one was a long time before she joined Vshojo. You're projecting your tribal feelings onto someone who is just very busy.

>>74946810
Both were low 4views before the Holoboom and neither had anything to do with it.

>>74947183
Cliche as it is, it was everything becoming stainless steel corperate.
I really miss when this hobby, even at the very top in large corpos, was really just about streamers finding unique and fun ways to entertain their audience and have fun.
Nowadays everything has to be about numbers or selling this or doing better than that.
I get companies gotta make a profit, but it killed some of the SOVL vtubing had along the way. It doesnt feel like most are in it to have fun anymore, especially in the JP scene.
at least there's indies who still have this kind of mindset, but most of the good ones end up joining corpos and changing completely anyway

>>74939689
Even if she did, her content truly was different, by being restricted she was forced to be creative and looked for ways to thread the line on what she could get away with.
Now she really relies on people finding her face and the act of just talking about her day entertainment enough. Kind of a wonder she doesn't do more tiktok compilation reactions. Gunpla streams are good though.

>>74951698
>by being restricted she was forced to be creative
like when they stopped letting her do asacoco and she did incredibly creative minecraft streams until she quit

>>74951698
>by being restricted she was forced to be creative
you can't be serious

>>74934858
No, I'm going to keep complaining about the whore of Babylon and the Reddit dragon /here/

>>74951698
I hate how this sentiment is so popular among the community when it's just wrong. When Coco joined Hololive it was not restrictive at all. They had a few basic rules (that she skirted around) but for the most part the talents just did whatever they wanted without having to ask management first. They didn't even bother with game or music permission. That was literally Hololive's selling point. They were corporate idols who stood out by doing whatever they thought was fun which was a major contrast with the conservative nature of basically every other Japanese group.

The restrictions that you love so much went into place more than halfway through Coco's career and resulted in that creative show being completely cancelled with nothing like it ever being allowed again.

>>74935890
>Every other girl was trying to be proper and trad
Eh, not really. She was just the "weird foreigner" of the whole group.

>>74935890
You're just wrong, I assume you either just weren't watching many JPs back then, since without even thinking I can name a member of every gen that was seison't from that period (roboco, choco, mel, okayu, marine) that has toned stuff down with time
>>74937825
It's a little bit more than this, like one of her strongest suits was her ability to organize and mc larger collabs. It's something that she built up in the period where 4kisei was really struggling and she was constantly finding fun stuff for them to do together.
It was really a boon for her that her skills were able to get other holomems to follow her into whatever stupid bullshit (including getting all of hololive addicted to ark for 6 months, and before anyone says anything, it was pretty fucking great when there were as many holomems playing as played minecraft) she was into. Even just getting large groups of holomems to play telephone or wordwolf. Or just think of how much she got out of miko in the elite english collabs. It doesn't help that at the time, there just weren't many holomems with better mc skills (I'm thinking fubuki, marine, maybe A-chan, but it might just be that A-chan has gotten better since). Then, once EN debuted, she could always function as a go-to bridge and a bilingual mc.
There's a reason that a lot of us who were watching at the time are nostalgic specifically for asacoco, you'd watch an episode and outside of watame or Luna, you didn't know who'd be involved in a skit that week, on top of that, it was just a good, tight way to keep people informed on what was goin on in wider hololive. Further, if you really look at it, and I have no doubt this is collaborative, but she always got the best out of those appearances, well maintaining consistency in the asacoco tone.
To explain the difference with Kson, it's not that kson doesn't have regular collab partners, or doesn't have the same skills, but having that regular, large stable of collab partners that all have very visible relationships and personalities and available on pretty short notice, were a really good boon for a vtuber who's skills lent themselves so well to larger collabs and organizing other projects (flexible in terms of tsukkomi and boke, able to leverage mc skills to get the best out of collab partners etc.). She just can't (or doesn't want to) use her skills in the same capacity now that she doesn't have that.

>>74934004
>It's not the same
Even in YouTube. Just not the same. But I'll tune in when she plays mahjong

>>74934004
I dont get this mindset, her personality is really no different from when she was a holo.
The fleshstreaming is pretty lame but if you enjoyed her content in Holo which from the start was vastly different to traditional idol stuff if that's what you're griping about then you are still getting the same exact stuff here, more or less.

>>74934292
I do miss them though. The whole point was pointing out how shit and cringe the memes were.

>>74956876
OP here.
It's weird that some anon here think that i hate kson.
I just prefer coco over kson.
If i have time and kson stream on youtube, i'll watch her.

>>74934129
>once she gained "freedom" (which she didn't use for anything besides flesh streaming).
This bothers me too. She did more innovative things when she was in Hololive. I was really anticipating what she'd do once she became "independent".
Kiryu Coco was super entertaining and Kson doesn't seem like she's trying to entertain.

>>74943744
You're delusional if you think the 2k western redditors she brought into her meme review streams are what made hololive popular, and not the momentum they gained on the JP side from celebrities openly shilling hololive.

>>74955330
This. I actually do like her solo streams. Those still feel pretty much the same, since obviously she's the same person.
For me, it's everything surrounding collabs that feels different, and that part of it stands out because coco-era collabs were generally really good.
Holo has strong collab partners. Everyone's a public figure who generally collab within the pool of talents, so there's a continuity to catch up on.

It does feel like she's been slowing down increasingly, especially around after the LaD contest, but that's understandable because she's doing more offline stuff

>>74958004
What made Hololive popular was Miko saying nigger.

>>74958002
she probably had a bunch of plans and then realized that vtubing is an outrageously expensive medium to work in. there's a reason why every single vtuber just plays video games aside from the giant corporations.

>>74936852
Na. Holo kept her stupider ideas in check.

>>74958004
That anon (>>74943744) is delusional, there were plenty of holos with some acclaim for some members, it just wasn't instant success to even get in, like nowadays. 4kisei was fucking broke for months.
However, a large part of the holoboom was the EN branch joining and exploding rapidly. With the talent combination they got, it would have happened anyways.
I don't remember the CCV gura got on her debut stream, but it was absolutely enormous at at the time.
It's indirect, but she was pushing for an EN branch and maintained a non-JOP audience to immediately boost those debut streams for much larger than normal ccv numbers for vtubers at the time. Further, she got jp talents with the interest and capability to do some en streams, with or without her, which also helped attract an EN audience to be claimed by the future branch.
The holoboom was the holoboom for a lot of factors, and EN was just a large one and they don't grow so large so fast without the fertile ground that she helped create.

>>74946965
What are you implying she needs to do? Leave vshojo?

>>74957976
That's very reasonable of you.

>>74958600
you mean like when they stopped her from doing asacoco?

>>74958641
Asacoco was big enough that it was getting mainstream media attention. It trended every day. Everything Hololive does now but back then it wasn't normal. Hololive was already big and had a huge English audience before EN was announced.

>>74958641
The majority of holoEN are only 4views and you're telling me the EN audience is significantly responsible for hololive's success in Japan, the place that matters most to them?

>>74959144
>The holoboom was the holoboom for a lot of factors, and EN was just a large one and they don't grow so large so fast without the fertile ground that she helped create.
My point is just that it significantly rose the profile of the company, in the context of the time, when vtubing was way less saturated, there was a knock on effect in the algorithms, that compounded into itself, whether that viewership was EN or JP.
You could write a whole ass case study breaking down all the reasons for the holoboom, but ignoring the explosive growth of EN in the whole scheme of things is just not looking at the whole picture.
I also said that I think they would have ended up in nearly the same place, just that it wouldn't have been as fast and it might not have been as even across the board.

>>74959482
Why would EN viewers watching clips somehow cause the algo to recommend their streams to Japs? They were already gaining momentum in Japan with celebrities talking about them on live TV.

>>74959949
And just adding onto this, Sugita was openly shilling Pekora before Coco even joined hololive. Attributing their success to Coco is ignorant at best and obnoxious fanboying at worst.

>>74958002
real creativity blossoms within restrictions
same reason why top gear was better then grand tour

>>74960241
that was post-Coco

>>74934004
>if you didn't understand that, you are no vtuber fan
explain why

>>74959949
Let me establish once again, it is not the sole reason and it is not the biggest reason. Holo did a lot of things right and happened to be the right company at the right place in the right time, but you're the most hardcore JOP and in denial, if you think it wasn't a significant factor. And let me say, when I say EN, I really mean primarily EN speaking.
>be kirarafag
>weak jp
>see nihonglish vtuber clip
>see translated vtuber clip
>Ah, so it's not like Kizuna ai anymore
>man those clips were really funny
>start watching streams of rushia/korone/miko/coco
>Watch a vod in free time, is collab
>A week later, watching hololive around the clock
Was a pretty common experience back then.
You have to remember, not all holos were 4views back then and even for those that were, CCV wasn't growing that fast for any vtubers. As much as the true JOPs with their untainted twitter, youtube etc. accounts, would have been able to get into it, what this did was funnel a good number of japanese learners and JOP-aspirants into these streams. Probably a couple hundred stream watchers at most across the entire field, concentrated in certain livers, if I had to give a napkin estimate. This compounds into more clips being shared around with those people and feeding into actual JOPs with still jp learning friends.
>Then EN debuted,
>post-anime boom world
>all the talk of any EN anime community.
And if you remember how empty the vtuber algorithm was on youtube, you'd finish a myth stream and in the sidebar, you'd also be recommended a holojp stream or vod or clip, dragging way more of those jp learners into streams. And with how comparatively empty the algo for vtubers was then, these things would compound into each other. Picking up a couple hundred viewers this way out of the blue, when you already were a consistent 3-4view, would just boost you that little bit in the algorithm, to help you get recommended outside of the already existing vtuber audience. It didn't matter whether those people were JOPs or jouzu-worthy, they still help build and sustain the avalanche.

>>74934129
I suspect she really wanted to be in a Yakuza game, something she couldn't have done while being Kiryu Coco.

>>74960482
>there are about 40+ talents in the company
>restrictions up to their necks
>none of them are creative
naruhodo~

>>74934004
it really is not the same, yeah.

>>74934004
You just miss 2019-2020 hololive, and that's ok, I miss it too...

>>74934004
honestly Anon you don't really miss Coco, you miss Hololive with Coco in it. The only good Coco streams were zatsudans and collabs, her gaming streams were always low energy.

>>74935345
She could fo that aside her coco gig, but she chose not to, honestly based, no matter how you look at it she chose to no sell lise but what she was regardless you like it or not. If only other women were like her, the world would be a better place

>>74967638
Forgot to add, i'm shitfaced

>>74950752
Reasonable but the claim that she "streams multiple times per week" is easily a flat out lie. It's even a flat out lie for a good portion of 2023.

You know why nowadays her general thread is harder and harder to find? It's only up when she streams and even so, the sustain is the constant spam of her fanart.

Cope more.

>>74967338
Kinda true. I miss Coco in Hololive too. Fuck just watching the recent Towa or Noel clips talking about eating with her was fun.

You can' t seriously say nowadays that you enjoy hololive without sounding like fucking drone, and that statement is true sadly.

>>74968096
Are you a robot?

Let's be honest, any old hololive fan miss the good old days, and if they say they don't, they are lying.

>>74934004
Crazy post mentioning that fleshie don’t get deleted automatically

>>74968234
*beep boop beeeeeep boob.

>>74964788
there are 1000x that in indies with no restrictions, and i bet you'd be hard pressed to name any of them for their "creativity" either.

Iori Hakushika feels more like the Coco I liked than Kson does

>>74968096
kson's least obsessed anti

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>>74934004
>kson is streaming on twi-
YouTube is still her main platform

>>74968443
>any old hololive fan miss the good old days,
Yes I really miss having no EN streamers and terribly unfunny and unentertaining people like Coco being considered good

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>>74958641
The massive boom of English fan happened before 4th Gen even debuted.

>>74971331
Unironically yes

>>74934004

>>74934292
Not OP, but I miss her daily karaoke streams. Yeah she did them because she couldn't do anything else, but they were fun and she had a nice selection that she'd go through. What's the point of an English-only non-archive karaoke when you just sing Country Roads and Fly Me To the Moon over and over like Chat asks of everyone else? FuwaMoco and IRyS come close though, and Haachama sings Alan Walker occasionally, but if anyone else comes closer then I'd like to know.

>>74934787
>>74935052
>>74935345
>>74934004
Her true white colors came back
And here's the truth even if she went back to hololive it's mask off no1 can see her the same anymore
She's a slut and terrible human

>>74977146
>She's a slut and terrible human
Nobody thinks like that LingLing just ask holomens.
Just turn on your VPN and even pass for Taiwanese kek

>>74934004
Same. She was funner and more innovative in hololive than she ever was as an indie or a whorjo.
>>74934129
I chalk that up to “talent freedom” being a double edged sword where you don’t have to try so hard to get your ideas past corpo standards but then you just end up not trying so hard.

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>>74934004
She was like the filthy frank of vtubing… now she’s… she’s gone…