Is Niji a mistaken villain ?

[Anonymous No.]

> Back then the restrictions were suffocating
> I once thought the managers were bullying me
> But then I soon realized that the restrictions were there to protect us
> Without them, my channel would get deleted and I would lose sponsors
> No one likes restrictions, but it's for our own good, and it is what it is

https://youtu.be/MlbISv_Wk0k?si=-pwG2tBsLBL6XiVY

So Niji was restricting Zaion, Selen and others because they actually cared for them

[Anonymous No.]

hey this is a nice thread and all but lets not forget that Elira (and others) bullied Selen into suicide and failed to address this properly or apologize and the company also didnt see the need to protect someone who just made an attempt on her own life, instead they kept harassing her while she was in the hospital because of a fuckgin youtube video that had all permissions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75285868
FUCK no. We saw how much Nijisanji "cared" for Zaion and Selen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

[Anonymous No.]

Not reading but don't use marine for nijishit

[Anonymous No.]

>>75285868
Post hololive because you can't find examples in Nijisanji...? Are you dumb?

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>>75285998
It gets "better" - the harassment that happened while she was in the hospital was NOT over MV perms. It was because she had reported to hospital staff that she was a victim of workplace harassment. And they were not just harassing her directly, they were also harassing her emergency contact (very likely her parents, but possibly hospital staff), trying to pressure them into getting her to recant her claims, and they suspended her for not recanting her claims.

In other words, they suspended her for reporting to hospital staff that she was a victim of near-fatal workplace harassment, while she was still in the hospital because of that very same near-fatal workplace harassment.

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>>75285868
Difference is, one side protected their talents while the other protected the corporation
Not the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>75286309
>they were also harassing her emergency contact (very likely her parents, but possibly hospital staff)
My favorite rrat is that due to the timing, it's entirely possible that her emergency contact was Mumei.
That black company who harassed one of her best friends to suicide was now harassing HER because they couldn't reach her in the hospital to scream at her to walk back her tweet that management privated the video.
To be a fly on the wall for that phone call, holy shit.

Since then, Mumei has been weaponizing Gura to surgically strike at all of their events in retaliation for Selen.

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>>75285868
OP was a mistaken pregnancy

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>>75285868
Talent freedom chuds, our response?

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>>75286231
> Niji restriction
Le bad company !
> Holo restriction
Oh understandable

You Holokeks fail to hide your bias lol. If this is said from a Niji organ you dramafags will call her bootlicker and worse, betraying Doki

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>>75287130
Retard. There's a difference between toning down sex jokes and having a malicious management fuck over your year-long fifteen THOUSAND dollar project out of clear spite.

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>>75287130
thats a great point but I fail to see where Marine attempted suicide because of the company rules and how her coworkers treated her. So far I dont think I have heard of no existing and ex-talent to attempt suicide because of cover, even the worst cases like coco and haato managed to be protected in the end, despite the big blunders by the company

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>>75285868
>tying to defend niji (EN) management
>uses Holo (JP) management
sisters aren't sending their best

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>>75287292
To be fair the HoloEN management isn't that bad either, or else Calli and Kiara would have left last year

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>>75287292
Of course you would make that reference, facist

[Anonymous No.]

>>75287287
Marine literally talked about wanting to kill herself in the stream where that clip is from.

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>>75287448
Nigger

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>>75287432
The fact that they haven't left yet means they aren't doing their job

[Anonymous No.]

>>75287448
What do you mean? Referencing Elira Pendora of Nijisanji EN's video, "A Message from Nijisanji EN" which was a clear harassment of a suicide victim in an attempt to dehumanize them and weaponize their fanbase to harass them like they did Zaion a year prior? The video that Elira Pendora of Nijisanji EN said was approved by Nijisanji's lawyers as well as Nijisanji EN's managers, the staff who harassed their top performing female talent to the point where she attempted suicide?

And you're comparing it to Marine not being able to show as much cleavage to appease youtube sponsors?

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>>75285868
Marines channel would’ve been deleted because Nijiniggers were mass reporting Holos

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>>75287493
>Marine literally talked about wanting to kill herself
She's just like me fr fr

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>>75287493
>thats a great point but I fail to see where Marine attempted suicide
there is a very big gap betwen thinking and doing it. I'm pretty sure you thought about it too but too bad you didnt do it, with how fucking retarded you are.

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>>75287697
So management harassing someone into having suicidal thoughts is acceptable and the line is drawn at an attempt.
Cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75287697
Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4
There is no defense for this. Nijisanji is a fucking trash heap that needs to be removed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75287772
yes that is where we draw the line because clearly one of the companies did something so the suicide attempt didnt happen and it was left at thinking about it.
The other company kept harassing a girl who just tried to kill herself about a tweet and/or youtube video.
sisters really have no brain

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>>75288044
Holy shit you're retarded.
There is zero difference between harassing someone into having suicidal thoughts vs them going through with it. The only variable there is the mental state of person being harassed. You cannot harass someone "just the right amount" so that they don't end up killing themselves and "only" consider it.

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>>75285998
>but lets not forget that Elira (and others) bullied Selen into suicide
She literally lived but ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>75288225
>You cannot harass someone "just the right amount"
this is your brain on nijisanij
the implication is that one company realized that they were doing something bad and fixed the problem.
Cover fixes problems that arise because of mismanagement before they get out of hand. Nijisanji doesnt.
Elira is still in the company and there was still no apology to selen for what happened nor was there a promise to be better in future.

[Anonymous No.]

What did Kurosanji do now?

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>>75288320
then stop being so mad about me sending death threats to Elira. After all, she didnt kill herself yet.

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>>75286564
>Since then, Mumei has been weaponizing Gura to surgically strike at all of their events in retaliation for Selen.
Two can be a coincidence but if it happens again a third time I'm 100% backing this rrat.

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>>75288334
>this is your brain on nijisanij
That's your brain right now. You're saying that harassing someone to the point of suicidal thoughts is acceptable and possible because it's totally different as long as they don't end up actually attempting suicide.
>the implication is that one company realized that they were doing something bad and fixed the problem.
Cover hasn't done that. I just told you that Marine talked about wanting to kill herself again in the stream where the clip is from.
>Cover fixes problems that arise because of mismanagement before they get out of hand.
They do not. They made Marine to tell her fans off for shit talking management which painted a target onto her that made her the target of people that don't like what hololive management is doing.

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>>75288373
They are more retarded than usual so im guessing the doxxsite still down.

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>>75288044
>>75288320
So it's okay if we send death threats to Elira and Vox as long as they haven't killed themselves yet?
How much harassment is okay to you? Should I stop at DDoS'ing their house or are pipe bombs okay?

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>>75285868
Poor Marine has been gaslit into Stockholm syndrome:
>Being imprisoned is good akshully. It's to protect me from the outside world.

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>>75288373
vivi had a meltdown and now enna is taking a mental break

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>>75288656
no you can harass elira until she kills herself and still feel good about yourself.
>>75288584
Enna you stealth suspension really makes you visit this place huh? Why cant you just focus on your own company instead of pointing fingers.
Suicide Attempts at hololive: 0
suicide attempts at nijisanji: at least 1
easy math.

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>>75288804
Cool schizo deflection. Nice of you to admit that harassing someone into suicidal thoughts is acceptable.

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>>75288858
Why is that so bad? Isn't that exactly what Elira thinks? Why is it so bad when I think it too?

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>>75288679
Stockholm Syndrome was shown to be fraudulent and doesn't exist, get with the times gramps

[Anonymous No.]

>>75288898
Takes your schizo meds before reading further so that you stop hallucinating nijisanji fans and members in every post you read.
Nijisanji is shit and hololive is also shit.

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>>75289056
you sound mad, sister

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>>75285868
You can flip OP's fag narrative if you assume Marine is talking about niji collabs

> Back then the (collab) restrictions were suffocating
> I once thought the managers were bullying me (for not allowing me to collab with popular niji livers)
> But then I soon realized that the restrictions were there to protect us
> Without them, my channel would get deleted (from NDA breaches) and I would lose sponsors (from all the drama by associating too much with nijis)
> No one likes restrictions, but it's for our own good, and it is what it is

So Holo was restricting Marine and others because they actually cared for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289056
Hololive can still improve, sure, but it also has been improving on its own, and it's the absolute best corpo right now by a fucking landslide in terms of actually supporting and caring for its talents.

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>>75288480
Twice?
I'm aware of Gura mogging the AR Live free portion, but what was the other time since 2/12 that she counter-programmed anything from Niji EN?

>>75288373
Enna went on a mental health hiatus and Deerskin made and deleted a tweet mentioning her old job and trying not to get involved in drama. It's very, VERY likely that an enormous yab is about to hit Niji EN in the very near future - likely Kotoka's termination, or possibly some other yab roughly that big.
In any case, it's definitely not good news, except in the low but non-zero chance of a "no news is good news" situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75285868
This thread is proof of why holochad hate Nijifags and why they never deserve forgiveness

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289095
Says the guy that's so mad that he sees imaginary enemies everywhere and excuses managerial harassment to "own" them.

>>75289160
Hololive has not been improving. It's getting worse month by month but you're not paying attention.

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>>75289221
Shut up sister, we already know your tactics

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289221
Anon, seriously, take your meds. Wait until you actually have something to complain about if you want to deflect from Nijisanji's shitstorm.

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>>75289221
Let me guess you are gonna say indies are the future next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289301
I'm such a nijisister that I openly condemn nijisanji and everyone there.

>>75289332
You're currently deflecting from hololive management harassing their talents into having suicidal thoughts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289408
>I'm such a nijisister that I openly condemn nijisanji and everyone there.
classic niji tactic

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>>75289451
Sounds like you're a nijisister by your own definition.

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>>75289408
what are your thoughts on Dokibird notsister

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289408
>management harassing their talents into having suicidal thoughts.
Nah, that's a Niji problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289542
Neutral to negative. I will never approve of anyone that has been in niji.

>>75289547
I just explained several times that management harassed Marine into considering suicide.

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>>75286564
>due to the timing, it's entirely possible that her emergency contact was Mumei
What the fuck are you talking about? Jesus christ. You live in a fantasy world.

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>>75289637
>I just explained several times that management harassed Marine into considering suicide.
timestamp?

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>>75290064
https://youtu.be/RknlvfMDlAU?t=4250

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>>75289636
ah sis doesn't know they are best friends just because they never interact in public
who was the only niji she collabed with btw?

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>>75288584
Do us a favor and kill yourself Elira

[Anonymous No.]

>>75289636
>You live in a fantasy world.
Where do you think we are?

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>>75289636

[Anonymous No.]

It's really easy:
As long as Fubuki is part of Hololive everything is good. If she leaves it's time to take a good look at them.

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>>75290210
Holy shit do your reps you faggot that's not what she said at all

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>>75290596
She says she wants to die. Why the fuck do you think that is?

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>>75285868
Dam Nijisanji must also be protecting them from making too much money so they dont have to pay so much in taxes then

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>>75290633
She literally explained because her last manager who she was really close with got replaced and she really didn't want to change managers, the implication is the last manager and her were really close and looked out for Marine.

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>>75290911
And why are they doing that to her? It's harassment from the management. This isn't the only time she has said she wants to die either.

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>>75290984
No, they do it to avoid another Mel incident and to keep managers and talents from getting complacent

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>>75291070
Yeah you always need a little harassment to avoid complacency. Standard black company strat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75291172
>I'm retarded
Hey, you do you

[Anonymous No.]

>>75290596
DOOKIETURD HAS 3 COPYRIGHT STRIKES OK BRONIE

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>>75286564
It’s an absolutely ridiculous rrat, and would be extremely horrifying if true. Lord knows she’s dealt with enough schizo Nijifags already, she doesn’t need the actual company joining in as well.

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>>75291296
That thread still made me laugh.
Jesus christ, the ESL...

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>>75290984
Anon, switching out managers is fairly routine at Cover. They use experienced talents to onboard new managers and experienced managers to onboard new talents.

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>>75290984
Anon seems like the type of person who’ll hear their friends say “I want to die” over some minor inconvenience and think they’re genuinely considering suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm 99% sure op didn't watch their own clip, which is hallarious.

Marine also isn't the best reference for this since her case is pretty specific to her channel being striked like 2 times already, and her managers clamping down on her so she doesn't get her shit deleted.

Try to have better bait next time ok?

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>>75292313
She doesn't have a single strike. Demonetized videos are not community strikes.

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>>75292358
Her entire channel got deleted for tos violations twice now,its similar to a strike in that if she gets 3 of those her channel is completely gone.

She doesn't give a shit about demonetized videos.

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>>75292411
Her channel has only been deleted once and it wasn't because she got a third strike.
>She doesn't give a shit about demonetized videos.
Yeah no shit, management does. She literally talked about this on stream. She is being restricted because of demonetized videos. She said management believes her entire channel can become demonetized if she gets more of then (it can't and she most likely has got more since).

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>>75287130
Don't all the hologirls have their play buttons? What reason does Niji besides pettiness. I've yet to hear a sister give a good explanation.

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>>75288334
Mismanagement in Nijisanji is the excuse they use to bully people into line. Love the family or else.

[Anonymous No.]

It's fucking over calling it now. Schizo rrats have shit posted a company and their rabid fans to death. NijiEN is done for.

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>>75292473
Her channel got banned once in 2020ish,which
counts as a strike, and straight up terminated in 2021ish which counts as another strike.

Bans and terminations count as channel deletion since you normally don't get those back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/og1z52/houshou_marine_just_got_banned_from_youtube/

I'm going to use a >reddit article you can just click on and see an image quickly since I get the feeling you don't give a shit enough to watch video proof.

You have been enlightened, have fun.

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>>75285998
That's true, we shouldn't forget how horrible it is that the attempt wasn't successful.

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>>75290306
Why do you assume that her best friend would be her emergency contact and not her parents she has a healthy relationship with?

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>>75292714
>Her channel got banned once in 2020ish,which counts as a strike
Nope, that did not happen. There were several dozen stream "bans" at that time which clearly did not result in channel strikes as they happened multiple times to a lot of diffetent holos and they never resulted in any of the restrictions from getting a strike.
>Bans and terminations count as channel deletion since you normally don't get those back.
Literally what are you even saying? You mean could as communit guideline strikes? No they don't. Channel termination is the result of 3 strikes within 90 days. If you can talk to someone to get it overturned then the channel is considered not in violation of any policies and any strikes will be erased.
This argument that Marine must be restricted because she has a "ban" from 2020 and some kind of other smidge from getting a sudden triple strike channel termination that was reverse within an hour in 2021 is complete bullshit because none of that shit counts anymore years later.

This has ALWAYS been about the demonetized videos. I just told you that Marine literally talked about this on stream while you only have leddit pages and probably some retarded clip.

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>>75293091
I'll make it easy for you.

See the image? That's bad,that's why marines channel is locked down, not demonetization.

Maybe you can understand this time?

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>>75285868
As is always the case but westoids are a different breed. They're brought up on a detrimental amount of individualism that causes them to act like narcissists and ignore the rules. There's an entire genre of karen content because of it, but don't be mistaken in thinking they're an anomaly, they're just the most unsightly expression of a widespread issue.
Being a content creation and micro internet celebrity also messes with your head and gives you an inflated sense of importance, just look at the amount of 2view and 3view streamers that have insulted their chats for years because they think they're superior than a viewer.
It's a fact that Nijisanji hired a lot of people that broke the rules and ignored warnings on multiple occasions. Probably because of narcissism and partly because they believed it was better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission and other retarded western platitudes to excuse rule breaking.
Cover Corp probably takes better care to pick individuals that have the capability to learn to get along and the foresight to not break ranks or cause trouble because they have a bright idea. In the few cases there was drama which led to termination, you can see how this happened, why the person involved probably had a lapse of reason, and how they took it more gracefully and didn't try to leave behind a stink.

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>>75293290
Yes that's the one and only time it happened in 2021, and it was reverted quickly. This does not leave any kind of strikes on the channel. The only thing that's on her channel anymore is demonetized videos.
How do you not understand this? Do I need to repeat myself 30 more times before you get it?

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>>75293399
>channel didnt get banned in 2020ish
>it did get banned
which one is it

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>>75293437
What the fuck do you mean "which one is it"? It didn't get banned in 2020 and I never claimed it did. You did that.

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>>75293468
first sentence of >>75293091
first sentence of>>75293399
i suggest going to a doctor if you are forgetting what you're typing 2 minutes ago

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>>75288965
Stockholm Syndrome isn't real, hostages just see the cops sucking donkey dick.

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>>75293527
Do you not understand that 2021 is not 2020? Do you not understand what scare quotes indicate?

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>>75293468
>thinks there aren't multiple people talking to him.

Also if the channel was banned/terminated the videos would be deleted, there wouldn't be anything left to be demonetized,cause they'd be straight up gone.

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>>75293577
You don't understand how youtube works. The channel was terminated and nothing ended up getting deleted.

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>>75286564
I like to think that Nerissa and Mori joining Reimu was Kiara having a proxy war with Mumei (IRyS).

[Anonymous No.]

>Absolutely 39IQ post using vague holo statement to try to defend Niji
>Clearly a “enough time has passed maybe I can rewrite history because pagpag mind” sister
>This many replies
Ok, what did Niji do this time to get sisters this desperate for humiliation again?

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>>75293608
I wonder if that was because of her being part of a corpo and them using their corporate ties to coax youtube into not killing her entire channel two times in a row.

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>>75293824
The termination wasn't legitimate as it came without any warning. You just can't get Youtube to listen to get it reversed without corporate backing or being a very popular channel.
>two times in a row.
But it hasn't happened twice. It only happened once.

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>>75293296
>Cover Corp probably takes better care to pick individuals that have the capability to learn to get along and the foresight to not break ranks or cause trouble because they have a bright idea.
I doubt they do this, at most they are looking for a clean record. You never know how an indie will start acting when put into a corpo, that's how they ended with Magni and Vesper.

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>>75294199
>at most they are looking for a clean record
They're not doing that at all.

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If any holo truly wanted freedom, they are free to do literally anything they want as an alt ego that would easily be found by their fans.

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>>75286564
No sane person thinks her emergency contact was Mumei.

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>>75292939
>her parents she has a healthy relationship with?

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>>75288320

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>>75292939
To be fair, she ended that sentence with "sometimes."

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>>75285868
maybe

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>>75294273
they also want money and security so it's not that simple.